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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Qtum] UTXO based POS Smart Contract Platform|On Coindesk & Bitcoinmagazine on: January 18, 2017, 06:00:31 PM
will you open source the project before the ico?
thank you
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Qtum] UTXO based POS Smart Contract Platform|On Coindesk & Bitcoinmagazine on: January 18, 2017, 06:40:35 AM
so the ico will start since 1st of March?
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 18, 2017, 04:53:04 AM
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/byteball/#markets

how about list this on more exchange platform?

like bittrex or poloniex?

164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: January 17, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
this will be one of the best project in 2017.
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: January 15, 2017, 05:56:09 AM
so what is the real world usage for EK at the very beginning?

Mining bitcoin and altcoin? scientific computation?

I'm sure EK has his vision for Elastic, but I don't personally feel Elastic will work for mining any other coins.  Although it's more than capable of mining a block, each time the coins network updates it's block info, a new job would have to be submitted to Elastic....which would cause us to lag that blockchain considerably.

I would think the primary usage would be around scientific computation...solving complex problems that can be modeled in code.

Unlike EK, I'm still not convinced Elastic can't be used for rendering...I think we could come up with a model to support it, but that's not my call.

Recently, I saw a post about cracking passwords.  I truly hope that Elastic won't be use for such purposes although it's more than capable of that.  It's probably the main reason I'm leaving.  I feel we've created a powerful system, but I really don't want to be part of something used for such negative purposes.  When I started working on this, I saw the potential to help the scientific community.

I'm sure you have your reasons but Elastic is not something special in this regard. Almost every single modern tech can be used to help bad guys achieve their goals. What really matters is how much good this particular tech can do in comparison. Bitcoin itself is a good example of such controversy.

controversy is normal in life and in society.
i hope coralreefer can still stay in the project.
we can have a donation XEL fund for future developers.
that's gonna be a long term incentive for developers.
anyway, i can see this coin will have a marketcap more than 7000BTC, at least like Siacoin and will go bigger than golem for sure.
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Qtum] UTXO based POS Smart Contract Platform|On Coindesk & Bitcoinmagazine on: January 15, 2017, 05:42:58 AM
will you host the ico at exchange platforms?
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Qtum] UTXO based POS Smart Contract Platform | On Coindesk.com on: January 11, 2017, 02:49:46 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-angels-invest-1-million-bitcoin-ethereum-hybrid-qtum/

wow that's some great news!
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Qtum, A Stable Value Transfer Platform on: January 11, 2017, 04:15:10 AM
What a pity, looks like POS only, nothing for the miners here  Sad

maybe dev can consider add a short time POW period?
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Qtum] UTXO based POS Smart Contract Platform on: January 08, 2017, 01:00:33 PM
seems it's an interesting project.
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: January 08, 2017, 12:18:41 PM
just come to show some support.

Elastic is one of the most promising project in 2017.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: December 20, 2016, 01:13:48 PM
@EK mainnet?

any ETA for mainnet?
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: December 11, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
nice to see some progress!

hopefully project can release before the end of this year.
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: November 29, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
hope it will be faster than lisk Cheesy

I have noticed a strong correlation between website beautifulness and the speed of progress, so I am very confident here ;-)

that's a nice point! Smiley
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: November 26, 2016, 02:04:16 AM
Hi
EK

when you have time, pls check this link: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=nhmintro

A GPU miner software for Zcash developed by nicehash which can collect GPU hashrate and mine Zcash.

Since Zcash draw a lot of attention from cryptoworld, if XEL can support Zcash GPU mining, that's would be awesome.

Zcash for privacy. and XEL for decentralized computing.

175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]DeepWebCash-Created Equal100% POW NO PREMINE-A FORK OF ZCASH(Zcash classic) on: November 06, 2016, 03:46:15 PM
any future plan for this coin? Or just a fork?
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]DeepWebCash-Created Equal100% POW NO PREMINE-A FORK OF ZCASH(Zcash classic) on: November 06, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
First fork of Zcash?
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: October 22, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
I have almost finished the only matured idea for the retargeting mechanism so far for the next testnet iteration.

I will summarize the other ideas which we discussed here soon. So far I have posted the current description here:
http://elastic-project.com/retargeting. Discussions, detected flaws and criticism and totally different approaches are always welcome. I am not meant to do this alone  Wink

I have termed the retargeting mechanism the ...

Retaining Inverse Slow-Start

Preliminaries

Work authors push work to the Elastic network which they want to have solved by the “miners”. It is important to clarify that at the same time, there maybe 0 or more works active in parallel. To ensure “workers” who work on the work packages are paid out continuously, they are eligible (even if they do not solve the actual task) to submit PoW packages on a regular basis. This principle is similar to what traditional Bitcoin mining pools use, to ensure constant payouts to their miners. Ultimately, those PoW packages are solutions of which the “hash” (that is formed through the execution of the actual program) meets a certain target value. When we say it “meets” a target value we actually mean that it is lower than a constantly adjusted target value. The target value is meant to be adjusted in a way, that per work there are no more than 10 PoW packages submitted in each block.

At this point it is worth to note that the blockchain grows by PoS only. That is, PoW submissions are just normal transactions that are included in the blocks just as any other transaction is.

Problems with Traditional Retargeting Methods

Traditionally, blockchains use PoW submissions to extend the blockchain and the required effort to find a solution that matches a specific target value is always the same (e.g. it take on average always the same amount of hash calculations until a certain target value is met). On the contrary, in Elastic we have many different work packages which may differ significantly in the required computational effort: there may be very simple programs as well as programs that require a significantly higher amount of processing power. If all work packages work on one global target value, several problems may arise.

Very fast executing jobs may lower the target value (i.e. increase the difficulty) more significantly than jobs which need more computational effort. At the same time, the switch from a fast job to a complex job may result in a heave drop in the PoW submission rate until the target value readjusts and vice versa. This may cause heavy oscillations both in the target value and in the rate at which PoW submissions are submitted.

Furthermore, the target value tries to find a good measure of “computational investment”. That means, that one PoW submission should be worth the same amount of computational effort across all open works. This cannot be guaranteed if different jobs (with different computational footprints) are working towards the same target value. As a matter of fact, those differences make it hard to estimate a good “per PoW submission price” for a work author, as it (in the traditional scheme) highly depends on the other work live work packages in the network.

Another problem is also latent in these traditional approaches: usually, the target value is measured by a sliding window of the last x blocks and the required time to find them so that-on average-one PoW is found in a preconfigured amount of time. In approaches where the blockchain is extended by the PoW submissions itself, this scheme may be valid. In the case of Elastic, however, it may happen that there are no works live but the blockchain is still extended by the PoS miners. No matter how precise the target value has converged, after long times without work it may happen, that the target value approaches the least possible value: it is impossible for such approach to distinguish between “no PoW miners are active” and “no PoW are submitted because there is no work to do”. This effect may cause immense bursts of PoW submissions, when a new work is created after such long period without work and wakes up a huge number of miners which were on stand-by before.

The Solution

The solution to this problem is a retargeting mechanism, which we termed “Retaining Inverse Slow-Start”. Retaining, because we aim for “remembering” the average computational power of the miners as a whole across multiple work packages and across “time gaps” with no work live in the network. Inverse Slow-Start, because we use a mechanism similar to an “inverted” version of TCP's Slow-Start mechanism to quickly adapt the retained target value both to the computational processing power of all miners in case it changed unnoticed (when there is no work, no computational power measurement can be carried out) and to the varying computational effort required for different work packages.

In detail, the retargeting mechanism works as follows:

  • Every work has its own target value.
  • Once a work is created, the target value gets initialized with the average final target value of the last 10 finished jobs.
  • There can be only 20 unconfirmed PoW submissions in the memory pool (and in each block) at most per work.
  • As long as no PoW submission is made, the difficulty drops exponentially so that in at most 3 blocks it reaches the “least possible difficulty”. This is the “Inverse Slow-Start” to help bootstrapping in case of significant changes in the total computational power of the network. Otherwise, the difficulty is adjusted by means of DGW. Hence, If the number of miners decreased significantly (due to potent miners abandoning the ship), work packages do not end up with no PoW submitions at all due to the difficulty being too high for the rest of the miners: it takes at most 3 blocks to “heal” the problem.
  • That is, if we have too many miners suddenly, or if potent miners joined in the meantime, they can only clutter the blockchain at a rate of max. 20 tx / block and work until the retarget mechanism fixes things. If we suddenly have only a few miners left, the target value “exponentially” heals itself.
  • Due to the usage of DGW (again, in case of constant submissions of PoWs regardless of the rate) the retargeting mechanism reacts quickly, per block, to adapt each work's target value so that the work receives, on average, 10 PoW submissions per block.
  • The above scheme inherently mitigates the attack when a potent miner “waits” until the difficulty drops to burst his precomputed PoW submissions. He, if he is the only miner live, in this case, can only get through at most 20 PoW submissions until the difficulty readjusts in the following block.
Retaining Inverse Slow-Start

that's some nice design and innovations.

178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Zcoin - The Zerocoin cryptocurrency, guaranteeing financial privacy on: October 17, 2016, 08:53:47 AM
https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/tree/master/src

sorry to ask

where is the source of zerocoin privacy protocol?




179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: October 10, 2016, 07:30:06 PM
I think we could be ready to hard-fork the testnet tomorrow (the protocol with the bounty announcement deposit fees, see current development branch on GitHub), what do you think?


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Migration started (TESTNET was completely reset, you need to update and entirely delete the old nxt_test_db/ folder).
Problem: the miner is awfully slow at the moment, will fix this tonight!!






will test it out later, thank you for the hardwork.

also do we have a short summary about the difference on elastic and golem project?

180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: October 09, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
I think we could be ready to hard-fork the testnet tomorrow (the protocol with the bounty announcement deposit fees, see current development branch on GitHub), what do you think?


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