What news?

I haven't read any - did I miss something?

Surely if this is all working there is already news - is there not?

So I have been watching the news for a long time but I've yet to read anything about this tech - why is that?

Let's turn this into a real laugh - please explain to me the "tangle".

(you've already claimed that IOTA was your idea not CfB's so I guess you should be able to explain this in detail)

Just quoting this for the laughs.

So - as I stated - AT is running on two blockchains (Qora and Burst) and IOTA is running on zero (thanks for agreeing with me).

No - I didn't say it was a "charity" (but not surprised that you want to pick up on that) but he made a donation to something that was not even written up (so you think he has some right as to say what he should be refunded for when he didn't even make that clear at all?).

Where was it clear that he made a "refundable donation" that said that "if Jean-Luc refuses to accept your working tech then I need my BTC back - and in fact I need it back in 2 years time"?


Just prove the donation (no need for saying "everyone knows" as that is how you just trick people using "sock-puppet" accounts).

People that say "everyone knows" and don't provide any actual evidence are most likely "sock-puppets" so that is how I am going to treat you.

The AT project was not a scam as it is currently active on *two* blockchains (name me any blockchains that are running IOTA).

From what I gather the whales refused to help at all (and this is why everyone left).

I am not certain about this of course (because I don't ask for any funds) but that is the vibe I got from various chats.

Exactly - he should be speaking to Jean-Luc about why AT was never added to Nxt (as it could easily have been).

My guess is that he is a NXT bag-holder (so in fact his real issues should be with CfB and the like but I am guessing he is now an IOTA bag-holder as well so he doesn't dare have a go at them).

This idiot makes a donation and then claims there are all these conditions about his donation being returned - but where are those conditions in writing?
(and also the idiot can't even show any evidence that he even made such a donation - just claims that I should remember whilst at the same time he appears to back statements by others that I am so intoxicated every day that it wouldn't even be possible for me to remember any such thing)

@DecentralizedEconomics - grow up child - if you "donate" then you don't ask for a refund (am guessing you are the kind of person that asks a charity for a refund if you're not happy with what happens 2 years later also).

Also - if we "failed to deliver" then how on earth does Burst and Qora have AT?
(as I have repeatedly pointed out Nxt could simply have used the code that was used in Burst)

Perhaps you are simply too young to understand what is and what isn't a scam (maybe someone else can educate you because I know that I can't be bothered with you any more).

@DecentyralizedEconomics - I am getting sick and tired of your attitude (it seems strange for someone trying to get a refund that you would even have such an attitude).

If you have any actual proof of payments then please provide the proof and not the "I should remember" rubbish.

Assuming you believe all of the stuff being posted about me (and you have stated that you basically do) then you should know it wouldn't be possible for me to remember anything at all (as I need to be put in rehab apparently and have troubles remembering what I did yesterday, little own a couple of years back).

And even if you were one of the very first donators it was a "donation" and the work that I was supposed to do *was done and delivered* (you do realise that I don't even do Java coding don't you?).

If you had a set of requirements for your "donation" and how it should be handled then why didn't you send that to me in the first place (instead of now trying to add conditions later)?

The reason AT did not appear on Nxt was that Nxt didn't want it to - yet the code to do that was provided and used in Burst (and the final work for that was paid in BURST - not in NXT and not in BTC).

What can I say - we delivered and the Nxt "community" didn't accept it (a very different case to others where no software was even created).

You are really just pissed that the price of NXT didn't go up and are looking for people to blame about that (maybe you should look at some others as smart contracts haven't really made such a big impact for alt coins other than Ethereum).

So you admit that you cannot prove that you sent me any BTC at all (and that you have now checked all your old wallets).

Case closed in regards to trying to obtain BTC from me (and you are looking more and more like a bought account trying to do so).

It's funny why something that allegedly happened so long ago would suddenly be brought up - but then again the price of BTC only just rose quite a bit recently so perhaps it's not so surprising after all.

The facts about what happened to AT are known by plenty of others so I really don't care much for your conspiracy theories (especially those supported by scammers).

Also as soon as AT appeared on Burst it could have been added to Nxt (as Burst is a Nxt clone and is open source) but clearly no-one in Nxt was interested in doing that. Still somehow my fault?

Another thing is that "my role" was to provide the design for AT and that was in fact delivered (in the form of the specifications that are still available on my website). Getting AT to work in any coin was never actually my role at all (which is why others were involved in the project).

There was never a crowdfund for the development of AT with promises of refunds if the job was not completed (but that seems to be what you are implying was the case).

Finally - if you had read the "announcement" about the NxtAT Asset (which I didn't create btw) then it clearly stated that the main purpose was to fund development (and that is indeed what occurred). You should realise that the other two working on AT received the vast majority of said funds (and I returned all of the NXT) so perhaps you should be pursuing them for refunds (although - again - it was never a "crowdfund")?

Sorry but it appears that @vbcs quit as did basically everyone else so I don't think you'll be seeing this any time soon (and maybe never on Qora).

I regret having been involved with the Nxt project at all (that alone has damaged my standing amongst developers).

Having said that I do think that AT itself has proven to be a useful piece of technology (so I don't regret having developed the technology itself).


That is actually underway (although it seems that @vbcs has given up the ghost so I wouldn't be expecting to see such an application appearing soon).

Also although I accepted zero payment for the work with Qora @vbcs (who did all of the Java coding) was paid in QORA for his efforts (so the work was not paid for in NXT).

The work that was done prior to Qora and Burst was published (test cases mostly) and each payment was noted at the time (and those payments were not very much if you consider typical rates for programmers). All the payments that had been made to myself in NXT were finally sent back to the project by myself (meaning I was paid zero NXT for all my work).

The way you put it comes across as though the NXT funds were used to pay for the work done in Qora and that is 100% false (i.e. all the work that was done for Qora was paid for in QORA or was volunteered).

You should also note that there was another developer who assisted with the initial work done on AT who stayed in Nxt and tried to continue the project (but because of Jean-Luc that never amounted to anything).

Well maybe you've just realised that this is not necessarily true (and you should know that a wallet with zero balance is not *empty*).

And as I (and others) have pointed your understanding of the situation is completely flawed but you keep on posting your flawed understanding (and never even bothered to contact me in regards to the whole issue).


I'm not asking you to prove that you are @2Kool4Skewl but that you did actually send me 1 BTC (accounts are bought and sold here all the time so they simply don't matter).

It's funny that in this topic @DecentralizedEconomics insists that I am a scammer and in another topic is trying to get 1 BTC from me without any proof of having ever given me 1 BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1354220.msg15063549#msg15063549

In any case - it isn't surprising that there are few "real developers" in this area mostly because there is an expectation that they should work for next to nothing (in my own case I spent literally weeks working over 12 hours a day to end up with only a few BTC for the effort and then ongoing accusations ever since which is why I have accepted no payment from either Qora or Burst for my help with AT on those two platforms).

Then it would be appreciated that you don't make false "scamming" accusations. Others *do* know the details and as has been pointed out the final word on AT being implemented on Nxt was Jean-Luc who said no (and AFAIA he never changed his mind about that).


I can't just take your word for that (as you don't take my word for anything that's only fair IMO). Also you seriously deleted a Bitcoin wallet without keeping a backup of it?

If you can provide reasonable proof I will refund but just saying "I sent you 1 BTC way back then" isn't very reasonable proof (as no doubt others would suddenly start making the same claims as you are).

I was given some BTC (around 3 BTC from memory) and at the time I did offer anyone who had done so a refund but no-one asked for one (and in fact I received a few PMs saying that no refund was required).

Although I think you are rather late to come forward about this if you provide the txid (which should be one that was sent to the address in my signature) and then proof of your address ownership (i.e. a signed message that contains the current date) then I'll happily refund you the amount.

It should be noted that the vast majority of funding for AT on Nxt was in the form of NXT and when I left I sent all of the NXT I had (which included amounts that had nothing to do with AT) back to the NxtAT Asset.

Although I think this is rather off-topic it should also be noted that Burst is technically a clone of Nxt and AT has been running on Burst for quite a long time now (so if the Nxt devs actually wanted to use AT they have been able to do so for a long time).

You're the one who let it go on so long (which I think you actually prefer as you'd rather not discuss IOTA at all it seems).

It appears that the project in question is about to collapse anyway (it's hard to get away with the same trick twice) so I don't think this topic will actually need to be around for much longer.

Your memory is rather rusty then as you were the first person I was in contact with in the "Nxt community" (and I certainly didn't come across your current "leader" until many months later).

That is also not accurate as I approached you with the suggestion that I could provide "smart contracts" (no-one *found* me).