why is blockstream (the bitcoin-core devs) the only gods that can make an implementation??
I have never stated that - but what I am against is trying to dismiss the Bitcoin Core team via politics (which is what is going on). |
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I think Chocula is right that traditional remittance companies' costs are largely in their physical presence.
Well - let me just point out that if I did not use Bitcoin to move money from Australia to China it would have cost me much more. So apparently my saving money by using Bitcoin for remittance is "of no point" - then exactly what is the point of Bitcoin at all? |
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unlike your religion of blockstream church.. my implementation is for me and me alone. as i dont want to trust other people to make code for me.
For a start I don't work for Blockstream or any other company (it is tiring to have people like you continue to make such stupid accusations). You have shown *zero* code. That is just some basic class definitions. Do you really think you can trick me? Perhaps you'd like to first take a look here: https://github.com/ciyam/ciyam |
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It may or may not surprise you to know that, like myself, most people rarely send money from country to country.
Which is strange when you follow that up with this: It may further surprise you to learn that sending binary data constitutes a negligible part of the cost of remittance payments. The costs are on the ground, in meatspace and bricks and mortar.
So you never do remittance yet seem to think you know all about it? Strange - I actually *use Bitcoin for remittance* so unlike you I know what I am talking about. |
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The economic majority will ultimately decide if consensus can't be reached.
No - the math will decide (assuming we don't cower). |
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If not a viable payment network, people lose interest. That's what the VC money went into, that's what investors (who bought coins) were banking on. Take away the "Trustless Cash" expectations, and Bitcoin becomes a castrated stud, as useful as Beanie Babies.
Well - for anyone that sends money from one country to another Bitcoin is a miracle. So people like you obviously don't have any experience with this problem therefore don't get why Bitcoin is actually very popular without being a payment network equivalent to VISA. |
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Because no one wants to invest in a payment network unable to process more than 2.7 tps?
Bitcoin is not a payment network (compared to say VISA) - and perhaps this was actually Satoshi's biggest mistake. It *is* a settlement network already - so I think that is actually something of huge importance that keeps being missed. Maybe it will be a realistic payment network down the track - but payment networks at the moment require almost instant txs and they need to be reversible (not something that Bitcoin can do). A big part of the problem seems to be "Satoshi worship" - so the fact that he made a mistake or two just isn't acceptable to those caught up in this phenomena. |
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In the meantime we are still waiting for @franky1 to give us the link to his github repo of his own implementation of Bitcoin in another (not even mentioned because I guess it is so secret) computer language.
While we are waiting for @franky1 to enlighten us all with his amazing source code I'll give a typical example of a "used car salesman's speech".
Q. Can your car take me from A to B?
A. Of course - it is a car after all!
Q. Does your car work with fuel X or Y?
A. It works with fuel just like any other car.
Q. Do you have any insurance for me if your car fails?
A. Why would it fail - it is a "car" after all?
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I don't support this so-called "Bitcoin classic", this idea seems completely idiotic for me. But this is just an opinion and such issues should be resolved by vote. DDoS attacks, ad hominem statements or whatever similar tactics are no better than assassination of opposition figures in the real life. This kind of behaviour is childish and unconstructive.
The problem is - how do we vote? The only decentralised method that exists today (that can't be easily Sybil attacked) is Bitcoin - but if we are not going to use Bitcoin to vote about Bitcoin then I think we have an unsolvable problem. |
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Hey @franky1 - SHOW US YOUR CODE!
(what - you don't have any?)
There are probably some herbal remedies available to help with "code disclosing dysfunction".
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Please provide your github link and proof so that I (and others) can check it.
That should be the end of this conversation. lol You would think so - but still he continues to spout nonsense.  |
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i rewrote the whole lot into a different language.. thank you very much..
and yes it does download the blockchain
and yes it does relay transactions
and yes it does check and validate transactions
and yes it follows the rules.. but allows me to change the block limit to 2mb as i think thats what everyone will agree to once the drama settles... and i can do that without having to download someone elses .exe or having to chose a bandcamp religion to follow
So it passes every regression test that is in the Bitcoin repository then? Please provide your github link and proof so that I (and others) can check it. |
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To be more clear in regards to the whole "Bitcoin is a protocol" point it needs to be pointed out that Bitcoin is actually not a protocol but a software implementation of a protocol (the protocol has never been published in fact).
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A more careful reader would note that my post was as much a question as a 'suggestion'. No need to be insulting. Maybe you know more about the situation than me, or maybe you don't, but we can't know either way without having the discussion :|
Okay - sorry if I was insulting - but I do know for a fact that the Chinese nodes you are referring to were running Bitcoin Core and not some other software. |
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so here goes again
bitcoin-core.. is not unique..
anyone can replicate the code. and change 98% of it.. even re-write the whole thing into VB.net, C#, Ruby, Python. any language they please..
as long as the main rules hidden within the code are not broken to destroy the handshaking and data communications between nodes.
So - you have coded every C++ quirk that is in Bitcoin? Do you even know C++ well enough to have done that? (I am going to ask you to prove your knowledge of C++ if you want to really continue this silly argument) |
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I don't know really. But I do know that in the recent past, it became obvious that some miners were, for example, mining without verification (SPV), which suggests that they were not mining to any Bitcoin Core s/w, right?
They were still using Bitcoin Core to do that (if you didn't realise this then why post incorrect suggestions?). |
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bitcoin-core.. is not a protocol.. its not the only way.. bitcoin-core is just a implementation of code which within that code are some protocol rules..
Why don't you go and write us a Bitcoin application then? (oh yes - you are not capable - but apparently you are capable of understanding how they work fundamentally - I think not) It is pretty obvious to others that people like you "have an agenda". You don't listen and you never learn. |
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If you followed the "libconsensus" efforts you would understand this.
*Exactly* (I had also mentioned that a few posts back but it got lost). For some people all the efforts that are being made are just ignored for pure politics. I like you and I'm sure some others do appreciate the technical work that has been (and still is) going on with the Bitcoin developers. |
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Or am I misinterpreting the meaning of all the different version strings?
I think that you are (if miners are using completely different code to Bitcoin Core then please give me the github link to their source). |
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some people really need to realise that bitcoin-core and the blockstream dev team are not unique. anyone can replicate the code and then change things that do not affect the main rules.. and it will still work
Again - you are clearly not a programmer as you simply don't understand that Bitcoin is *not a protocol* in the same sense the say SMTP is. To try and explain it to you - if your SMTP software doesn't work so well then you just end up missing out on an email - but if your blockchain software doesn't work so well then you are on a fork. No existing internet protocol has this problem - so stop comparing Bitcoin to existing internet protocols (it is just *stupid*). |
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