I am talking about the key Satoshi supposedly passed on to Gavin after his meeting with the feds. The key that basically controls the Bitcoin protocol.
Sounds like some rumor mill bullshit to me. Whatever man. or how it "controls" the protocol? If it was true shouldn't we switch to a different coin now forked from Bitcoin? Or is it more likely conspiracy shit since it's open source and the code is open to everyone? Yes, do some homework  |
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I am talking about the key Satoshi supposedly passed on to Gavin after his meeting with the feds. The key that basically controls the Bitcoin protocol.
Sounds like some rumor mill bullshit to me. Whatever man. |
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The real question is: Why Gavin? - to have the key to Bitcoin I mean....
The real question is: What the fuck is the key to Bitcoin? You really don't know much about Bitcoin do you? I am talking about the key Satoshi supposedly passed on to Gavin after his meeting with the feds. The key that basically controls the Bitcoin protocol. |
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ho also beleive that Gavin Andresen is satoshi nakamoto?
I do not know if your stoned or stupid..... Did you go through Gavin's posts - the entire history? The real question is: Why Gavin? - to have the key to Bitcoin I mean.... |
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It's such a strange, eye-opening case. He was certainly set up by the FBI to some degree but he was also guilty of a lot crimes before the FBI had even arrived on the scene. I wish Ross all the best of luck but I don't see him getting out of this one.
I saw that the prosecution is bringing in family members of 'victims' that died after taking drugs from the silk road. That's a very sly move by the prosecution, you can clearly see they are pulling out all the stops to silence him and lock him away for good.
My 2 satoshi's.
True. BUT, if the feds forged the evidence then he should be home free soon coz you can never know what is real or not. |
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Exactly how is it his fault that someone bought drugs from some person and overdosed? Ross had no influence over who bought what nor how would they take it. It's not a law I like, but I think he could be charged with their deaths in some states. If he is facilitating a criminal enterprise then he may be held responsible for all the actions of that enterprise. For example, if I ran a murder for hire ring that preformed several hits, I could be charged with those murders even if I did not participate in any way. Simply being the leader of the group that specifically kills people could be enough. It is similar to how a a bank robbery that causes a death is on every member of the team that robs the bank. They can all be charged with the same death. In fact they don't even have to kill anyone. If the bank guard dies of a heart attack during the robbery, then all the robbers may be charged with reckless homicide. I don't know what the laws are in NYC. Murder is not against federal law, states decide what murder is and who should be charged. Thats funny, because the law does not charge the local liquer store for selling booze, that the people drink and then drive and then crash to death..... |
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Exactly how is it his fault that someone bought drugs from some person and overdosed? Ross had no influence over who bought what nor how would they take it. Of course Ross Ulbricht was framed by the FBI and others, even the whole justice system. But the biggest method that they framed him was to keep him thinking that they had a case against him. So, essentially, he framed himself. In American law and courts, if Ross had simply fired his attorneys and: 1. Stood as a man in court, present, not representing himself and not being represented; 2. Wished, required and demanded that his accuser come forward, swear or affirm to tell the truth and take the stand so that Ross could cross examine him/her about whatever harm or damage Ross had done to him/her... ... nothing else would have mattered. Why not? Because the plaintiff must appear and get on the stand (if a person demands it man to man), and the plaintiff in Ross's case couldn't appear and get on the stand, because THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (the plaintiff in this case) can't do anything... not swear to tell the truth, not take the stand, not answer questions... nothing, because the plaintiff is paperwork. If Ross had done this, and had stood his ground and did this clearly under all circumstances, he could have been set free, and demanded his property - computer and bitcoins - be returned to him, and government would have had to do it. In fact, Ross's time for sentencing is coming up. If he does this even at sentencing, he can get off scott free. Listen here http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-963949.mp3 to see how things work (almost 4 hours audio). I rarely agree with you due to certain reasons, but now I have to. I remember watching some video or reading something about this. This is quite real and possible; certainly some would doubt it. The question is how to get this information to Ross himself? His defense lawyers could be influenced by the FBI as well! Update: After taking a look at this website: http://freeross.org/contact-us-2/ there seems to be a way to contact him. Can someone confirm this? I already contacted them couple of days ago to inform them of my findings - which seem to be fabricated by the feds. |
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I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.
So how do you explain my finds? , how is Ross changing from Silk Road to DPR anything substantial? Seems like he wanted an identity instead of just silkroad. You are. Read my OP again carefully. If you still have trouble understanding what happened (or more like what they did), let me know and I 'll break it down to you Okay I see what is the issue, he by the timeline changed it six months later but the first post of him as DPR was in december 2011. 15 days after he posted as him someone told him to change it from admin to DPR. Couldn't it just be that he was jokingly suggesting that the head of silk road would dpr and the post 15 days later is someone saying do it for real and commit? Crap.... You are asking me to go back through all the logs to find the chat of Ross with VJ which says that it was him/her that inspired him to change his username from Silk Road ([1] Admin) to Dread Pirate Roberts. Just go through the timeline and you will find many flaws on this "story" [1] Why did VJ tell him to change it from 'Admin' to Dread Pirate Roberts when Ross was registered as Silk Road? There are many flaws in this story man. I am not saying Ross is innocent but looking at the bullshit finds/evidence makes me wonder if he is a scapegoat.... That brings us to one question: Who the f*ck is Variety Jones : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0 |
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Don't know how much you follow but Mike Maloney had a Lion&Bull "sale" for silver and believe me it was better to buy silver than gold.
Maybe that's what drove the price down?
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I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.
So how do you explain my finds? , how is Ross changing from Silk Road to DPR anything substantial? Seems like he wanted an identity instead of just silkroad. You are. Read my OP again carefully. If you still have trouble understanding what happened (or more like what they did), let me know and I 'll break it down to you |
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-BS snip -
Satoshi, in how many seconds did you finish ^that post?
Seconds? Are you for real? This is Satoshi we are talking about..... It took him 0.0000001ms to finish it. Whats wrong with you?  |
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^^^^ I will triple this. I just didn't bother coz I don't care |
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I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.
So how do you explain my finds? |
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It was early in the morning and I didn't have time to test it. It's possible that some link on the website is just malicious to the AV so it shows the whole site. The timeline looks great. Who made it? I wonder if Variety Jones will stay a mystery like Satoshi? Although Satoshi should be left in peace, VJ should not. I have no clue who made it, it was pointed out to me recently by AGD. Variety Jones did meet in person with PoM and Shabang, so they know who he is since they met at VJs house: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1038833.msg11208170#msg11208170I think it's only a matter of time. |
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Sorry but confirmation is what makes things rock solid.
In fact 2 confirmations minimum IMO.
Anyone working with 0 confirmations is prone to get ripped off.
Please stop spreading misinformation. 0 confirmations are ok for most things Please keep your thoughts to your self. 0 confirmations IS NOT OK UNLESS your buying a pack of chewing gum and the shop owner don't mind loosing $1. When you do REAL trades confirmations are crucial to the success of your trade. Please go read some more. Thank you  Why would it be ok for a dollar transaction but not larger ones? If it's a problem then it's a problem. Once the payment has been sent and the seller gets acknowledgement of that then it's as good as confirmed, but shops will use payment processors most likely. You can do a 'chargeback' or the card could be stolen and payment processors protect against this. Personally I think that ALL transactions should have atleast 1 confirmation, but when you work in a place selling, I don't know, chewing gum, you wouldn't worry about it that much. BUT, if you sold house appliances or video games, you would definetly wait for the confirmations. Or, like anywhere else, you use a third party that handles that trust for you. Right, like Coinbase and Cirlce right? What about my private keys? Oh wait, they don't exist with a third party service.... Most merchants use BitPay. BitPay handles transactions just like Visa handles transactions. also handles my privates keys - which I have no access to - right? BitPay does not hold the private keys of the buyer. It converts bitcoins to fiat for the merchant. Thanks for the info, but I never mentioned BitPay That being said, are they using multisig? I'm done helping you promote your signature campaign. No, you just have nothing to say. My signature campaign has nothing to do with it. And FYI my signature campaign has already been covered about a week or 2 ago. This has nothing to do with signature campaigns. What a shame, I thought legendary members were wise and helpful. Guess I was wrong.... |
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Or, like anywhere else, you use a third party that handles that trust for you.
Right, like Coinbase and Cirlce right? What about my private keys? Oh wait, they don't exist with a third party service.... I don't think this is relevant. You're complaining that you wont control your private keys but you're making a purchase so you're letting go of your private keys any way. Coinbase and Circle are just the medium. You send the coins to them and they send the fiat straight to the merchant. It's no different than using visa or mastercard and I'm afraid even with bitcoin to actually use it to pay for anything you have got to trust someone somewhere whether you're buying something online or in the real world. Can you explain a bit more about that? Because what your claiming is a problem within the entire Bitcoin protocol. Please do explain. Thanks  |
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Sorry but confirmation is what makes things rock solid.
In fact 2 confirmations minimum IMO.
Anyone working with 0 confirmations is prone to get ripped off.
Please stop spreading misinformation. 0 confirmations are ok for most things Please keep your thoughts to your self. 0 confirmations IS NOT OK UNLESS your buying a pack of chewing gum and the shop owner don't mind loosing $1. When you do REAL trades confirmations are crucial to the success of your trade. Please go read some more. Thank you Why would it be ok for a dollar transaction but not larger ones? If it's a problem then it's a problem. Once the payment has been sent and the seller gets acknowledgement of that then it's as good as confirmed, but shops will use payment processors most likely. You can do a 'chargeback' or the card could be stolen and payment processors protect against this. Personally I think that ALL transactions should have atleast 1 confirmation, but when you work in a place selling, I don't know, chewing gum, you wouldn't worry about it that much. BUT, if you sold house appliances or video games, you would definetly wait for the confirmations. Or, like anywhere else, you use a third party that handles that trust for you. Right, like Coinbase and Cirlce right? What about my private keys? Oh wait, they don't exist with a third party service.... Most merchants use BitPay. BitPay handles transactions just like Visa handles transactions. It also handles my privates keys - which I have no access to - right? BitPay does not hold the private keys of the buyer. It converts bitcoins to fiat for the merchant. Thanks for the info, but I never mentioned BitPay That being said, are they using multisig? |
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Enough with this thread - I have to go FU guys (as in Fond of U ) guys. Catch ya later aligator |
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What makes a 0 confirm unsafe ? (and no, a 51% attack is not a valid argument)
The transaction could exist just on your computer, never having made it to the blockchain for some technical reason.You can check that in less than a second though so your point is moot. Seriously please stop. Enough with your BS. You can NOT check that in a second - as Vod said that ONLY exists on YOUR COMPUTER. Unless you have atleast 1 confirmation from ALL nodes then your transaction DIDN'T go through. Once again, please stop and do some more reading. Thank you for your time . A place that could be checked in less than a second. That does not exist on HIS COMPUTER. Do some reading. Will do. Can I have the link you are reffering to? You serious? Coz you are not even funny..... How is that a link to his transaction? No seriously....... it was posted in this thread...  Thank you for clearing that. Where does Google come in? Coz like I said it was not even funny. |
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Sorry but confirmation is what makes things rock solid.
In fact 2 confirmations minimum IMO.
Anyone working with 0 confirmations is prone to get ripped off.
Please stop spreading misinformation. 0 confirmations are ok for most things Please keep your thoughts to your self. 0 confirmations IS NOT OK UNLESS your buying a pack of chewing gum and the shop owner don't mind loosing $1. When you do REAL trades confirmations are crucial to the success of your trade. Please go read some more. Thank you Why would it be ok for a dollar transaction but not larger ones? If it's a problem then it's a problem. Once the payment has been sent and the seller gets acknowledgement of that then it's as good as confirmed, but shops will use payment processors most likely. You can do a 'chargeback' or the card could be stolen and payment processors protect against this. Personally I think that ALL transactions should have atleast 1 confirmation, but when you work in a place selling, I don't know, chewing gum, you wouldn't worry about it that much. BUT, if you sold house appliances or video games, you would definetly wait for the confirmations. Or, like anywhere else, you use a third party that handles that trust for you. Right, like Coinbase and Cirlce right? What about my private keys? Oh wait, they don't exist with a third party service.... Most merchants use BitPay. BitPay handles transactions just like Visa handles transactions. It also handles my privates keys - which I have no access to - right? |
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