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1621  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: July 04, 2013, 01:23:54 PM
As for the unreliable exchange bit: I absolutely think they're unreliable! Seriously, is GLBSE not proof enough?
It doesn't make much sense to compare btct to glbse, for a very simple reason: when I looked at glbse I noticed that they didn't list themselves in their own site, and this was a deal-breaker for me, hence I totally wasn't surprised when it closed down with a "fuck off and die" attitude.
btct instead not only did list itself, but also provides constant backups of the security owners to the issuers, and this is really a good sign.
(it can and should be hugely improved, though)
1622  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: July 04, 2013, 07:26:21 AM
Please don't use this crappy site.

Use host-tracker instead.
1623  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: July 02, 2013, 05:19:34 PM
In che senso fuffa?
Se parliamo di tempi biblici ok, ma non è una scammata, e chi ha tirato bestemmie nel 2012 fino ad oggi e magari ha ordinato una decina di pezzi, si sta facendo dei gran soldi.
Due o tre stanno facendo soldi, decine di migliaia sono in coda e non vedranno mai ciò che hanno ordinato, non sono più concessi rimborsi, alcuni device hanno grossi problemi di surriscaldamento... figa se non è uno scam palese questo...

Non farti abbagliare dalle poche unità che hanno spedito, guarda quanto velocemente le spediscono rispetto agli ordini, guarda a quanto hanno da sempre mentito sulle tempistiche, prendi atto che non concedono più rimborsi...
1624  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin price not going up? on: July 02, 2013, 05:17:38 PM
Ah no you see - that is unfortunately the beauty of fiat, consider this story.
[...]
Net Net, no one lost out and $80 of debt got repaid.
This story isn't much different from those used to explain you why money exists in the first place...

PS: fun thing, Ripple actually kind of solved this kind of issue...
(not implying that it isn't without issues itself)
1625  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for .50 BTC loan on: July 02, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
No problem.
I sent him the coins but i didn't expect to much of him. It's not a big deal.
i don't care if he pay or not.
I was just trying to help a fellow Human.
Please take no offence, but the problem is that even if you don't care, the next victim might care instead.
And falling to his scam means he'll try again, and someone else (who might care, instead) will risk being scammed...
1626  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Azioni ASIC miner, cosa ne pensate? on: July 02, 2013, 04:49:20 PM
ti ringrazio, però io intendevo, mettiamo che io investo in una azione già presente ed attiva, e poi questa azione viene espulsa per violazione delle regole, io vengo liquidato o no?
btct spedisce giornalmente all'issuer una lista degli azionisti, dunque se anche rimuovesse tale security (non che sia mai stato fatto, che io sappia), e se anche non volesse collaborare (non credo proprio), l'issuer avrebbe comunque modo riprendere l'attività su un altro exchange o a mano.
1627  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: NEW - another ASIC chip on: July 02, 2013, 10:14:44 AM
Very quiet in here? Where is he?
Back to school, I guess?
Pre-school, most likely.
1628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MasterCoin [MST] The master of all alt coins!! on: July 02, 2013, 10:14:08 AM
Hydroponica is up to his tricks again, and here I thought it was someone new. Silly me.

How many accounts do you hold here? Every time I read something it seems like you are behind it pulling strings. :p
"he's a nice person and a good dev" ROFL
1629  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I have free electricity, will this make bitcoin mining profitable?! on: July 02, 2013, 10:11:57 AM
If you have free electricity. Why not host others miners and take 3-5%?
I doubt he has that much electricity, and that isn't capped.


Sure if he wants to host 100 units drawing 10,000 watts. What about 5-10?
Sure, but:

1. why should I trust him with my hardware
2. is he really entitled to use electricity that way? I think not
2.1. either he has a legal contract which allows him to pay a flat rate for electricity, in that case if the electric company is not totally idiot there is a clause he can't "share" it
2.2. or he is stealing it, in that case not only it is illegal anyway, but doing such a thing will almost certainly make the crime worse
1630  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: July 02, 2013, 10:09:32 AM
Ancora state dietro a BFL? È fuffa...
1631  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Azioni ASIC miner, cosa ne pensate? on: July 02, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
bello come sito https://btct.co/

ho investito una manciata di btc su azioni varie
Bravo!

non ho però capito cosa sono le Option Trades
Per esempio ho scritto una PUT option a 2.7 strike, 0.18 premium, 56 giorni, e qualcuno me l'ha comprata.
Dunque io ho bloccato 2.7 BTC di fondi, che non posso toccare.
Tizio mi ha pagato 0.18 BTC.
Tizio ha 56 giorni di tempo per decidere se darmi un'azione in cambio di 2.7 BTC (già lockati), passati i quali tali fondi si sbloccano.

Ovvero cosa succede: se i BTC in tale periodo rimangono sopra 2.7, ci ho guadagnato 0.18 e non succede nient'altro.
Se scendono sotto 2.7 Tizio eserciterà l'opzione: io riceverò la sua azione, e lui riceverà i miei 2.7 BTC.

Ciò significa che se il valore delle azioni scende sotto 2.52 BTC (2.7-0.18) ci ha guadagnato Tizio, altrimenti ci ho guadagnato io.

Dal mio punto di vista ho scritto l'opzione in quanto convinto che:
1. il valore non scenderà così tanto
2. anche se scendesse, è un buon prezzo, dunque amen se l'ho pagata un po' di più

Dato che i fondi sono bloccati quando scrivi l'opzione (sebbene possa ritirarli finché nessuno l'ha comprata), devi paragonare quanto guadagneresti in quel periodo se li investissi in altro modo.

Se non è chiaro chiedi pure Smiley

Le CALL option sono l'opposto, ovvero promesse di comprare un'azione a un determinato prezzo.

in oltre, ho letto che si può creare una propia azione pagando 5 btc, e che se si violano determinate regole la azione può venire delistata, ma cosa accade ai btc degli investitori in questo caso?
Nulla, sono a fondo perduto.
Tu intanto paghi, e se non te l'approvano niente, e se te l'approvano e poi te la cancellano niente.
Secondo me non ha alcun senso ed è decisamente l'aspetto peggiore di btct, per cui alle attuali condizioni non mi listerei lì se dovessi.
Stanno comunque considerando rimborsi parziali in caso i moderatori non votino dopo un certo periodo di tempo, ma non se votano "no".
1632  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: July 02, 2013, 09:31:09 AM
Well options are very different than shorting.

Synthetic futures:

He could write a call with strike 0.
He could write a call and buy a put at same strike.
I'm no economist and I'm missing something, but you can't write calls if you don't own shares, so you're back to square 1.
1633  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: July 02, 2013, 08:57:52 AM
Strange behaviour in the Options page.

This is "my Option inventory", and I believe it is correct, since it lists my only written and not bought Option.


However the "open written Options" is reporting strange data:


The 2.7 Option has been sold, so I shouldn't be able to recall it, right?
Also, I don't get what "out" should mean, since one of them has been bought, the other hasn't, but that value is "1" for either of them.


It's working as intended.  Out is written options "out in the wild", regardless of owner.  Had you written options for 10 shares, sold 5, then hit "Recall", it would allow you to see that 5 were still out in the wild.

You're right, the recall button could be hidden when all the options are held by someone else.

If there are more intuitive terms for this stuff, I'm completely open to input.  Smiley
Ok, it would be more intuitive then if you added a column listing how many of those options have been bought, then : )
Also, having an additional recall button in the top table would be nice.
1634  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] BTC-Trading Pass-Through Fund -- BTC-TRADING-PT on: July 02, 2013, 08:52:04 AM
The fee is 0.25% of the sale.
Unless I'm mistaken, it's 0.2~0.25% both sides, for a total of 0.4~0.5%; it's 0.2% if you have 2FA on, and 0.25% otherwise.
1635  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
Because daily fluctuations in share prices are already orders of magnitude larger than any dividend payment to date. A BTC0.04 dividend equals a net loss if the shares you bought at BTC4.5 are now selling for BTC4.45.
Only if you sell...
1636  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: July 02, 2013, 08:21:26 AM
Strange behaviour in the Options page.

This is "my Option inventory", and I believe it is correct, since it lists my only written and not bought Option.


However the "open written Options" is reporting strange data:


The 2.7 Option has been sold, so I shouldn't be able to recall it, right?
Also, I don't get what "out" should mean, since one of them has been bought, the other hasn't, but that value is "1" for either of them.
1637  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: July 01, 2013, 07:20:04 AM
I am Chinese, DMS.SELLING is very difficult to understand how it works (language issue). How calculated 0.00378802(dividen)? Would you Lists the equation?
Does this help?

If it doesn't, there are at least two different posts previously in this thread where it is explained in an easy way, you could try going back and searching for them...
1638  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 30, 2013, 10:58:51 PM
BFL will surely ship eventually. It would be folly to completely disregard the competition.

I think it's a mistake to give them undeserved credit.
Especially since the did deserve discredit.
1639  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 30, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
BFL having issues?

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/06/30/butterfly-labs-crumbles-getting-mass-refund-requests-units-catching-fire-and-fans-failing/

It appears their hardware that they are barely shipping is having a hard time not catching on fire.  Plus, they are starting to refuse refunds (probably because they have been receiving a tidal wave of refund requests)

lol:
Quote
Resource Limit Is Reached

The website is temporarily unable to service your request as it exceeded resource limit. Please try again later.

I wonder if the delusional customers will finally realise they have been scammed, or if they will still pretend they have made a great deal...
1640  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I have free electricity, will this make bitcoin mining profitable?! on: June 30, 2013, 08:58:38 PM
If you have free electricity. Why not host others miners and take 3-5%?
I doubt he has that much electricity, and that isn't capped.
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