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He spotted the pattern coded into the mixer, that's all. He said so himself. I don't believe he guessed, he got several right first time.
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36 btc volume on trex already. Pretty good stuff.
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My wallet stays out of sync... I'm using : xc-05-28-2014rc1
I have active connections to the networks but haven't received my payments since the 1st of june and I know some were sent !
Any fix for this ? Anyone else having the same problem ?
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I'm sure that the premine address was moved for a good reason like it was last time. I will make sure that this answered when dev is awake.
Yes the premine was moved to a new address and I'm moving it back to the old address in smaller blocks as I'm testing various things w/ PoS. All of the premine is being moved back to the original address in different sizes 5, 10, 20, 50 etc Also the website link has been updated, and new release will be out today shortly with updated xnode code ATCSECURE  up and on it early. Were your ears burning? |
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The price of the coin, and the success of the developers project hinges largely on the confidence of the large bag holders, which is in turn built on the developers communication and product. It is as simple as that.
Your argument is based on the above and you couldn't be more incorrect.
Large bag holder have had a freeride to making allot of money, that's where their involvement ends. if they want to dump their coins that's not going to kill this project, people like me, and there are allot of us, will happily pick up those coins at a cheap price because of the foundations behind this project. It's completely self righteous that you believe you contribute to this project anymore than making money from speculation.
Anyways, Dump your coins, let every large bag holder dump their coins and see if it affects the progress of this project at all. It won't. The technology and the team are what dictates the value of this project, not large holders. If every large bagholder dumped their coins the price would crash, but new speculators would pick up those coins near immediately, and over the longterm the price will recover probably stronger than before, because the value is stored in the technology, and people will happily buy through that sell pressure because we appreciate the true value of this project, not what some early adopter thinks the price should be. Welcome to a free market economy. if you want to sell your coins cheap, trust me, there are hundreds of people just like me who willl buy them off you and restore the price, People who don't need constant validation from the developers that they speculated on a good project.
Honestly, Arguing that large holders of this coin play into the sucess of this project is insulting to the developers who have spent actual time building this project. I'm taking a break. Be greatful you've had a free ride, stop assuming the developers should run to support the price just to protect your free ride, you've done zero to contribute to this project, and you can't affect the price long term fullstop.
I'm sorry if this sounds personal, but stating you contribute to the success and the ultimate valuation of this project fullstop is beyond insulting to those who have actually put time into developing this project, and those who understand the basis of a free market economy.
Your thought is that lack of confidence created by price swings only affect short term price and that long term the quality of the product will see the price rise back to where it should be. I wish I agreed with you. I have spent 25 years as a project manager in a development environment (games), and seen many a good project fail not because of the quality of the product but because of a loss of confidence. Sometimes if a price falls far enough the loss of confidence in the price, not the product stops it retracing. Maybe I'm just a little jaded. Unfortunately it is absolutley true that the market contributes to the success and ultimate valuation of a product, and the market is the people who hold the coins. the more coins someone holds the more influence they have on the market. You only have to watch the daily whale manipulation of bitcoin to see that. I am totally grateful for my free ride, and it is just that. I've never claimed otherwise but, I also think that my statement of the symbiotic relationship between the developer and the holders of the coin stands true, maybe they did nothing to deserve it. Happy to accept that, but their stake in the project is still there. Anyway I think you totally misunderstand my intent. I have stated enough times now I have no intention of dumping my coins, I think its a great project with loads of potential, but not without potential pitfalls. Why would I dump when I want it to succeed? I want market confidence not fear. This all stemmed from the fact that there are certain people in this community that call any difficult question or probing of the coin fud. This is not, in my mind a way to success. Software based projects improve and get better from the difficult questions and tests, that's how the problems are found and solved. As a community we should be able to spot the difference between trolling and important questions, just because you may not like it doesn't make it 'fud'. We are the perfect focus group and testers, it should be embraced and made the most of, not pushed aside and, to ATCSecures massive credit, he has not shied away from testing the coin in public. That should be massively applauded. Somehow all this has stemmed from the fact that I wish the loljosh thing had been more clearly resolved sooner before it became a big deal. No idea how. I am not looking for argument or conflict here, just stating some thoughts I have. I know you disagree, that's cool, there is no definitive truth in my opinion or your opinion, just a subjective assimilation of the information available to us. You will note, even though I disagree with you, I have never said your opinions are bullshit or said anything personal about you. I would appreciate the same respect in return  Sorry. It's been a heated morning outside of the bitcoin world. You are correct. And your opinion is completely valid. I do apologises. You are right, without some sort of confidence in the technology it is possible the adoption could stagnate, but unlike computer games, where sales usually rely heavily on marketing and positive reception, the sucess of this project relys allot more heavily on the useable application if the technology, and allot less by its appearance. To make an annalogy, While arts can be interpreted differently, technologies are extremely black and white. It's easy to manipulate an art into being unwanted, but to do that with a technology such a cryptocurrency, it is extremely hard. It's because the foundations cannot be interpreted differently, while games can. And I do agree the loljosh situation could have been handled differently, but for people to assume that ATCSecure hasn't had to outsource something seems rather crazy to me, and to assume he should stop developing to ease the mind of speculators to me seems absurd. This is his project, in my professional opinion, he has absolutely zero responsibility to explain his actions, I think the software he develops is the only right we have to judge him on. Anyways, going back, I think the main argument I'm trying to make is it is very hard to distort the true value of a pure technology, even if everyone sold the value would still be realised at some date because technical specifications leave extremely little room to interpret. Once again, I am sorry. I shouldn't bring my personal emotions into a serious discussion. no problem man. Look at the end of the day, the project belongs to ATCSEcure, we can do nothing except sit and watch and help if possible, I get that. I was lucky, I jumped on early and made some success. All any of us want is to see the tech develop and succeed. |
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The price of the coin, and the success of the developers project hinges largely on the confidence of the large bag holders, which is in turn built on the developers communication and product. It is as simple as that.
Your argument is based on the above and you couldn't be more incorrect.
Large bag holder have had a freeride to making allot of money, that's where their involvement ends. if they want to dump their coins that's not going to kill this project, people like me, and there are allot of us, will happily pick up those coins at a cheap price because of the foundations behind this project. It's completely self righteous that you believe you contribute to this project anymore than making money from speculation.
Anyways, Dump your coins, let every large bag holder dump their coins and see if it affects the progress of this project at all. It won't. The technology and the team are what dictates the value of this project, not large holders. If every large bagholder dumped their coins the price would crash, but new speculators would pick up those coins near immediately, and over the longterm the price will recover probably stronger than before, because the value is stored in the technology, and people will happily buy through that sell pressure because we appreciate the true value of this project, not what some early adopter thinks the price should be. Welcome to a free market economy. if you want to sell your coins cheap, trust me, there are hundreds of people just like me who willl buy them off you and restore the price, People who don't need constant validation from the developers that they speculated on a good project.
Honestly, Arguing that large holders of this coin play into the sucess of this project is insulting to the developers who have spent actual time building this project. I'm taking a break. Be greatful you've had a free ride, stop assuming the developers should run to support the price just to protect your free ride, you've done zero to contribute to this project, and you can't affect the price long term fullstop.
I'm sorry if this sounds personal, but stating you contribute to the success and the ultimate valuation of this project fullstop is beyond insulting to those who have actually put time into developing this project, and those who understand the basis of a free market economy.
Your thought is that lack of confidence created by price swings only affect short term price and that long term the quality of the product will see the price rise back to where it should be. I wish I agreed with you. I have spent 25 years as a project manager in a development environment (games), and seen many a good project fail not because of the quality of the product but because of a loss of confidence. Sometimes if a price falls far enough the loss of confidence in the price, not the product stops it retracing. Maybe I'm just a little jaded. Unfortunately it is absolutley true that the market contributes to the success and ultimate valuation of a product, and the market is the people who hold the coins. the more coins someone holds the more influence they have on the market. You only have to watch the daily whale manipulation of bitcoin to see that. I am totally grateful for my free ride, and it is just that. I've never claimed otherwise but, I also think that my statement of the symbiotic relationship between the developer and the holders of the coin stands true, maybe they did nothing to deserve it. Happy to accept that, but their stake in the project is still there. Anyway I think you totally misunderstand my intent. I have stated enough times now I have no intention of dumping my coins, I think its a great project with loads of potential, but not without potential pitfalls. Why would I dump when I want it to succeed? I want market confidence not fear. This all stemmed from the fact that there are certain people in this community that call any difficult question or probing of the coin fud. This is not, in my mind a way to success. Software based projects improve and get better from the difficult questions and tests, that's how the problems are found and solved. As a community we should be able to spot the difference between trolling and important questions, just because you may not like it doesn't make it 'fud'. We are the perfect focus group and testers, it should be embraced and made the most of, not pushed aside and, to ATCSecures massive credit, he has not shied away from testing the coin in public. That should be massively applauded. Somehow all this has stemmed from the fact that I wish the loljosh thing had been more clearly resolved sooner before it became a big deal. No idea how. I am not looking for argument or conflict here, just stating some thoughts I have. I know you disagree, that's cool, there is no definitive truth in my opinion or your opinion, just a subjective assimilation of the information available to us. You will note, even though I disagree with you, I have never said your opinions are bullshit or said anything personal about you. I would appreciate the same respect in return |
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No, all can dump their coins and the developer can finish his project and not suffer.
In a public listed company, if people start dumping the board of management is forced to take a new direction or they lose their job and have no resources to keep a project in development
of course he can finish his project but the value of his project suffers. I don't get how that matters? Satoshi Nakamoto completed the bitcoin project when it was still worthless Satoshi Nakamoto didn't have 1000s of other coins to compete with for success. Do you not think the success of bitcoin is massively measured in its market value and adoption rate? I'm saying the relationship between us and the developer is only meaningful if the developer wants to dump on us. I think he's more concerned about developing a revolutionary technology than helping you make 10btc this week. not sure I agree with the statement but agree with the sentiment behind it. Disagree with the first bit, I agree with the second bit, that's why I am holding. The landscape now is very differentto when Satoshi created bitcoin anonymously |
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No, all can dump their coins and the developer can finish his project and not suffer.
In a public listed company, if people start dumping the board of management is forced to take a new direction or they lose their job and have no resources to keep a project in development
of course he can finish his project but the value of his project suffers. I don't get how that matters? Satoshi Nakamoto completed the bitcoin project when it was still worthless Satoshi Nakamoto didn't have 1000s of other coins to compete with for success. Do you not think the success of bitcoin is massively measured in its market value and adoption rate? |
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OK, fine call me a speculator, I am happy to accept that. However, whichever way you look at it those who are on the rich list are invested in the coin, and the coin is invested in them -- even if you don't want to call them investors. The price of the coin, and the success of the developers project hinges largely on the confidence of the large bag holders, which is in turn built on the developers communication and product. It is as simple as that. The boardroom argument may go out of the window, I totally accept that, but the share and market confidence analogy remains. The relationship between the developer and those that hold the coin is a lot more than, he does it and the holders just ride the train, it is totally symbiotic. Each rely on each other. If they lose their confidence in the coin they dump the coin and the developer loses out just as much as the investors/bagholders/speculators.
PLEASE. We are not investors and the dev is not responsible for our profit or loss. it is the same way we buy shit tons of shit coins. we can either lucky or doomed to buy flappycoin, bbq coin or whichever. even high profile dogecoin are now dipping into bullshit. are they keeping ask devs to do this or to do what? the last thing they can do is giving a damn to those shitcoins. but we are lucky enough to have a dev working hard to combat all fuds intentional or unintentional. I totally agree he has no responsibility for our profit or loss. I chose to mine the coins, no one coerced me, I take responsibility for my decision. But, that doesn't stop me from wanting the coin to succeed and grow. I want success for the coin. Success for the coin is based on market confidence. I've said enough times I think ATCSecure has done a good job here, I'm not slating the guy or the project. All I have said is that I wish the loljosh question had been put to bed before it became a big deal. It would help market confidence and be better for the project. |
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No, all can dump their coins and the developer can finish his project and not suffer.
In a public listed company, if people start dumping the board of management is forced to take a new direction or they lose their job and have no resources to keep a project in development
of course he can finish his project but the value of his project suffers. |
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Seriously no one can explain to me why XC dev gave bitcoin to loljosh?
You know why. You know why when there is 12 minute block times. Seriously, ATCSecure hired him to do some of the leg work. It would make sense that arguably the best dev in the alt currency world wouldn't want to waste his time building the base when he needs to focus on the much more technical stuff. No doubt he has vetted it all and it's all fine. Now he's focusing on making this the most anonymous cryptocurrency. Nothing shows fear more than bashing the competition. Please, for the love of god, look at his CV. If you think someone like that lets loljosh near anything apart from the basics you have no idea how these people think. You don't get to where he has by paying other people to do the advanced stuff, you build that yourself. When you guys have world firsts in technology development and worked for companies such as IBM, come discredit his way of doing things then. loljosh's code underpins the entire coin - would you try and put a ferrari engine in a shitbox. No because the chassis, brakes, suspension would not be able to cope. You want quality - you start with quality. Doesnt matter what whiz bang features the dev promises. Bullshit. When you've worked in a string of Fortune 500 companies you'd understand. Aslong as the basics are there, people don't waste there time on shit like that, it's not worth their time. Loljosh's coding skills are excellent, and have been proven many and many times over. Arguing his coding is shit is absolute crap. Gotta hand it to you Mike, you do make sense Well I've been fortunate enough to work with people with CV's like ATCSecure's and trust me, you don't fucking argue with how they do things. People like that are the sort that build magic that revolutionises industries, you give them space and let them do what they do best. You start pegging them down with useless bullshit like building base code and your wasting their talent. I understand your point and you are right about the hierarchy that is needed to be innovative and the fastest but the way you are going leads to an ensuing loss of power of judgement for the people following the dev and for new investors. As you have been around in cryptoworld for quite some time i guess you should know better about the transparency needs of every new coin coming up. It s essential no matter what genius created it. Fuck transparency. Seriously. Who are we to argue about the details? Until anyone here knows even one tenth of what a person like that knows, they sit back and relax, and enjoy the fact people like this are working on a project like this. You name one other Dev in the crypto world apart from statoshi himself who has the credentials he does? You don't argue, you don't bicker, you sit back and relax. I couldn't care what he's done, all I look at is the results he is producing, and time after time he has delivered. In less than a month he has done what took darkcoin five, and trust me, in a months time this crypto will look nothing like the rest. Sit back and relax. You don't argue with your CEO and you definitely don't need to know what he's doing when he produces results after results. who are we to argue about the details? The investors who spent money to allow the coin to grow, that's who. That's your problem. You think you are an investor. Your not. Seriously, you need to get off your high horse. Your not an investor anymore than me buying EURO's gives me a say in what goes on European Parliament. You make some fair points, although in a pretty unnecessarily aggressive manner. However you miss something important. The value of a coin is based on market confidence, market confidence generates buy orders, market fear generates sell orders, and these affect the value of the coin. Owning coins is more akin to owning shares than buying Euros, as someone who owns a lot of coins you are similar to a major shareholder. When the major shareholders get nervous they unload their investment and the price tanks. The actions of the board (see dev) are a lot to do with what instills confidence in the market. I am sitting back, I am relaxed, I haven't unloaded anything other than a small amount of my XC and I don't intend to.. but the attitude of who are we to ask questions of the dev is not one I support, questions will be asked and the answers, or lack of, will affect market confidence. I think ATCSecure has done a great job on the whole, and no one is perfect. I do wish he had been able to put this one to bed a long time ago though. The reason I am aggressive is because seriously, you have a hundred kids here who have probably never worked a real job in their entire lives, still live with their parents, and they are arguing that someone who is extremely accomplished should answer to them just because they speculated on a project if his. Anyways, you seem to think your an investor? Your not, no one here is. Until an IPO is launched, we are all speculators riding a project he is creating. So the whole boardroom argument goes out the window. We don't pay his wages, we don't own a share in a holding company he is employed by, no money was raised to fund this project, he is working for free. And as such, we are not investors anymore than me buying EURO's give me a say in what happens in European Parliament. Anyways, If we want to speculate on the success of that project that is our right, but thinking this has any relation to the real world business hierarchy is beyond nieve. We are not investors, we are speculators. As I said before, until we pay him personally, or buy a share in a holding company that owns the rights to his development, we have zero rights, and people need to seriously start respecting that. I frankly am tired of all this shit, I'm not saying your one of those kids, but they are everywhere. BTT has turned into an absolute joke OK, fine call me a speculator, I am happy to accept that. However, whichever way you look at it those who are on the rich list are invested in the coin, and the coin is invested in them -- even if you don't want to call them investors. The price of the coin, and the success of the developers project hinges largely on the confidence of the large bag holders, which is in turn built on the developers communication and product. It is as simple as that. The boardroom argument may go out of the window, I totally accept that, but the share and market confidence analogy remains. The relationship between the developer and those that hold the coin is a lot more than, he does it and the holders just ride the train, it is totally symbiotic. Each rely on each other. If they lose their confidence in the coin they dump the coin and the developer loses out just as much as the investors/bagholders/speculators. |
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Seriously no one can explain to me why XC dev gave bitcoin to loljosh?
You know why. You know why when there is 12 minute block times. Seriously, ATCSecure hired him to do some of the leg work. It would make sense that arguably the best dev in the alt currency world wouldn't want to waste his time building the base when he needs to focus on the much more technical stuff. No doubt he has vetted it all and it's all fine. Now he's focusing on making this the most anonymous cryptocurrency. Nothing shows fear more than bashing the competition. Please, for the love of god, look at his CV. If you think someone like that lets loljosh near anything apart from the basics you have no idea how these people think. You don't get to where he has by paying other people to do the advanced stuff, you build that yourself. When you guys have world firsts in technology development and worked for companies such as IBM, come discredit his way of doing things then. loljosh's code underpins the entire coin - would you try and put a ferrari engine in a shitbox. No because the chassis, brakes, suspension would not be able to cope. You want quality - you start with quality. Doesnt matter what whiz bang features the dev promises. Bullshit. When you've worked in a string of Fortune 500 companies you'd understand. Aslong as the basics are there, people don't waste there time on shit like that, it's not worth their time. Loljosh's coding skills are excellent, and have been proven many and many times over. Arguing his coding is shit is absolute crap. Gotta hand it to you Mike, you do make sense Well I've been fortunate enough to work with people with CV's like ATCSecure's and trust me, you don't fucking argue with how they do things. People like that are the sort that build magic that revolutionises industries, you give them space and let them do what they do best. You start pegging them down with useless bullshit like building base code and your wasting their talent. I understand your point and you are right about the hierarchy that is needed to be innovative and the fastest but the way you are going leads to an ensuing loss of power of judgement for the people following the dev and for new investors. As you have been around in cryptoworld for quite some time i guess you should know better about the transparency needs of every new coin coming up. It s essential no matter what genius created it. Fuck transparency. Seriously. Who are we to argue about the details? Until anyone here knows even one tenth of what a person like that knows, they sit back and relax, and enjoy the fact people like this are working on a project like this. You name one other Dev in the crypto world apart from statoshi himself who has the credentials he does? You don't argue, you don't bicker, you sit back and relax. I couldn't care what he's done, all I look at is the results he is producing, and time after time he has delivered. In less than a month he has done what took darkcoin five, and trust me, in a months time this crypto will look nothing like the rest. Sit back and relax. You don't argue with your CEO and you definitely don't need to know what he's doing when he produces results after results. who are we to argue about the details? The investors who spent money to allow the coin to grow, that's who. That's your problem. You think you are an investor. Your not. Seriously, you need to get off your high horse. Your not an investor anymore than me buying EURO's gives me a say in what goes on European Parliament. You make some fair points, although in a pretty unnecessarily aggressive manner. However you miss something important. The value of a coin is based on market confidence, market confidence generates buy orders, market fear generates sell orders, and these affect the value of the coin. Owning coins is more akin to owning shares than buying Euros, as someone who owns a lot of coins you are similar to a major shareholder. When the major shareholders get nervous they unload their investment and the price tanks. The actions of the board (see dev) are a lot to do with what instills confidence in the market. I am sitting back, I am relaxed, I haven't unloaded anything other than a small amount of my XC and I don't intend to.. but the attitude of who are we to ask questions of the dev is not one I support, questions will be asked and the answers, or lack of, will affect market confidence. I think ATCSecure has done a great job on the whole, and no one is perfect. I do wish he had been able to put this one to bed a long time ago though. |
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Seriously no one can explain to me why XC dev gave bitcoin to loljosh?
You know why. You know why when there is 12 minute block times. Seriously, ATCSecure hired him to do some of the leg work. It would make sense that arguably the best dev in the alt currency world wouldn't want to waste his time building the base when he needs to focus on the much more technical stuff. No doubt he has vetted it all and it's all fine. Now he's focusing on making this the most anonymous cryptocurrency. Nothing shows fear more than bashing the competition. Please, for the love of god, look at his CV. If you think someone like that lets loljosh near anything apart from the basics you have no idea how these people think. You don't get to where he has by paying other people to do the advanced stuff, you build that yourself. When you guys have world firsts in technology development and worked for companies such as IBM, come discredit his way of doing things then. loljosh's code underpins the entire coin - would you try and put a ferrari engine in a shitbox. No because the chassis, brakes, suspension would not be able to cope. You want quality - you start with quality. Doesnt matter what whiz bang features the dev promises. Bullshit. When you've worked in a string of Fortune 500 companies you'd understand. Aslong as the basics are there, people don't waste there time on shit like that, it's not worth their time. Loljosh's coding skills are excellent, and have been proven many and many times over. Arguing his coding is shit is absolute crap. Gotta hand it to you Mike, you do make sense Well I've been fortunate enough to work with people with CV's like ATCSecure's and trust me, you don't fucking argue with how they do things. People like that are the sort that build magic that revolutionises industries, you give them space and let them do what they do best. You start pegging them down with useless bullshit like building base code and your wasting their talent. I understand your point and you are right about the hierarchy that is needed to be innovative and the fastest but the way you are going leads to an ensuing loss of power of judgement for the people following the dev and for new investors. As you have been around in cryptoworld for quite some time i guess you should know better about the transparency needs of every new coin coming up. It s essential no matter what genius created it. Fuck transparency. Seriously. Who are we to argue about the details? Until anyone here knows even one tenth of what a person like that knows, they sit back and relax, and enjoy the fact people like this are working on a project like this. You name one other Dev in the crypto world apart from statoshi himself who has the credentials he does? You don't argue, you don't bicker, you sit back and relax. I couldn't care what he's done, all I look at is the results he is producing, and time after time he has delivered. In less than a month he has done what took darkcoin five, and trust me, in a months time this crypto will look nothing like the rest. Sit back and relax. You don't argue with your CEO and you definitely don't need to know what he's doing when he produces results after results. who are we to argue about the details? The investors who spent money to allow the coin to grow, that's who. |
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I haven't sold any coins. I'm holding.
then you may want to check the previous thread of XC coin, and you will find the answer. XC dev is a capable and respectable guy. The question has never been answered. Why did ATCsecure leave loljosh feedback for 0.7 BTC risked? if it has been answered tell me. I don't care personally if loljosh did some development for him, no man is an island, but it will just keep coming back until answered. Unfortunately those with bad intentions would use the truth (if it is the truth) to attack the coin so ATCSecure is caught in a no win situation now. |
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is the new translation of fud -- difficult question?
I would like to know the answer to why he left the feedback too.
The problem is that if the answer is to do some development, people will react very badly to it, even though actually paying people to do development is perfectly reasonable. If he now says, yeah I paid loljosh to do some work on the coin for me while I got on with the mixer tech -- people will scream and shout about it. If he doesn't answer then it remains a big deal too.
Catch 22
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is the new translation of fud -- difficult question?
I would like to know the answer to why he left the feedback too.
The problem is that if the answer is to do some development, people will react very badly to it, even though actually paying people to do development is perfectly reasonable. If he now says, yeah I paid loljosh to do some work on the coin for me while I got on with the mixer tech -- people will scream and shout about it. If he doesn't answer then it remains a big deal too.
Catch 22
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to give myself a little room
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Did you mean AM? tomorrow GMT 1300 to 1700 upwards breakout. |
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to give myself a little room
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Logged, sure you don't want to give yourself more room and go ahead and go with sometime between now and 2015?  no 1300 and 1700 is fine for me |
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