 i think i t s more a mix of fisching with add and social engineering with honey pot.and not a simple mistake if some one put you in the wrong direction and allows you to bet on events who is no mor valide it s more than a simple mistake .but i d on t have the word i speak bad english .so bye thanks. I still think you think wrong. |
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It is still the same answer as it was the last time you posted this. i bet yesterday and you can always bet on team out of competition i m stupid
I couldn't have put it better myself. If someone places a bet on an outcome that is no longer possible they have not been scammed they just made a mistake and should take responsibility for their own actions. You making a mistake is not a scam. |
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New Wagering and Referral Contest prizes.
The lower levels prizes have been increased as follows:
Wagering Contest.
1st $10,000
2nd $5,000
3rd $2,500
4th $1,250
5th $1,000
6th $750
7th $500
8th $300
9th $200
10th $100
Referral Contest.
1st $5,000
2nd $2,500
3rd $1,250
4th $600
5th $500
6th $400
7th $300
8th $200
9th $100
10th $50
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New Wagering and Referral Contest prizes.
The lower levels prizes have been increased as follows:
Wagering Contest.
1st $10,000
2nd $5,000
3rd $2,500
4th $1,250
5th $1,000
6th $750
7th $500
8th $300
9th $200
10th $100
Referral Contest.
1st $5,000
2nd $2,500
3rd $1,250
4th $600
5th $500
6th $400
7th $300
8th $200
9th $100
10th $50
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Who can say me , I found some deleting referals on my account .
Yes, we cleared old accounts that have never been used from the database. |
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The problem here is that many lambo for BTC websites have popped up recently which scammed their investors and ran off with their money which is why many investors are not interested in purchasing these tickets anymore.
We've got a solid reputation going back over 5 years and we're not having any problems selling Golden Tickets. This coupled with the dormant account deletion must be the reason why your affiliate income has fallen.
How can deleting old accounts that were never used effect someone's affiliate income?
Yes, it's accounts that have never been used, no rolls, no deposits, no referrals, no activity at all. We're just clearing them out of the database.
I see, that's good to know. It's going to happen regularly now. Any new accounts will be deleted if they haven't been used at all after 15 days. Wow, that sounds a little bit extreme! Some people take annual leave for 30 days and they do not want to be bothered with faucets and what not on their holiday, so they will lose their account if they do not access it for 15 days? I think you guys are going overkill with this maintenance strategy. We clear accounts at work, when they show no activity for 45 days and longer and we have not had 1 complaint in 5 years of doing that.  Ps.. What happens with 15 day old accounts balances? I think you missed the bit about it only being accounts that have NEVER been used. That means have never had any rolls, never had a balance etc. in fact the only thing that they ever did was signup and not come back. |
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I always ask for proof of any allegations. Where is yours? |
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Yes, it's accounts that have never been used, no rolls, no deposits, no referrals, no activity at all. We're just clearing them out of the database.
I see, that's good to know. It's going to happen regularly now. Any new accounts will be deleted if they haven't been used at all after 15 days. |
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I think anyone can understand that when i say it's to the casino's benefit to change the server seed,
I think anyone can see that have answered that many times and you still just keep repeating yourself without addressing my points. All you have done is repeat your opinions and failed to answer why using an algorithm on a provably fair site wouldn't leave them open to being exploited, failed to provide any proof that people lose less on sites with static seeds and failed to bring a single piece of evidence that backs up your assertions. It doesn't matter how much the player bet next time,
Of course it matters. If someone was player against an algorithm they would bet small until they knew the next result was going force them to lose, then they would bet max win on the opposite result. Unlike a non-provably fair casino the result is decided the moment they click roll and it can't be changed with out that being provable. Plus in this case only the client seed is known, there can be countless server seeds that will make the number locate in a specific region, so it's almost impossible to guess what the next server seed will be.
Of course it impossible to guess the next server seed as you only have the hash. It is also impossible in a static system unless you've cracked SHA256 in which case you wouldn't be wasting your time exploiting a casino. It is also impossible for us to know if you change your client seed or not and guessing that would leave us open to being exploited. You better understand more about provably fair that you keep talking about every time before you post your stupid point of view.
I'll leave the readers to decide which of our opinions is stupid. |
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I tried to make peace with this crazy guy because i'm tired of arguing but he just keeps pushing.
You are still pushing the lie that provably fair site use an algorithm to cheat people. You are only getting tired because you have no answer when I point out the floors in your argument. Tell me how much is your soul worth? LMAO.
It is part of my job to defend the site from false and libellous allegations. When someone posts falsehoods about us I give our side. You don't understand my point or you do and deliberately keep stressing yours,
I understand completely. You are not the first person to get it wrong. I said it's to the casino's benefit to selectively choose the seed if a player didn't change his client seed previously, because it's highly likely he won't change it for the next bet, that's why a casino has very little risk doing that. Does that answer your worry about people might work out the server seed and exploit it?
It doesn't answer it at all. It only takes one person to work it out with a max win of 20 BTC they would clean out the bankroll in no time. That is a huge risk. It's a stupid question but why is the casino never worried about himself exploiting the players. It's not clear if they are actually doing that, but it at least puts players at risk.
Yes, it is a stupid question. The most important asset a casino has is its reputation. Exploiting players would put them out of business. Same reason as lots of people who play dice don't change their client seed, they are at risk. Just because casinos don't leave any evidence of cheating doesn't mean they aren't.
Just because you keep repeating the same thing doesn't make it true. A provably fair casino can't cheat without leaving evidence. They are good at going to extreme to think how to take advantage of players while not getting caught.
Your opinion repeated yet again with no evidence to back it up. The fact that most people lose in a dice game makes it reasonable for people to question the casino.
It does make it reasonable to question but that isn't what you are doing. You are making a false assertion that they cheat. The answer is obvious. The house edge gives the casino a small statistical advantage that means although some players win and others lose with a large enough sample size the house should come out on top overall. There's a reason casino has bad reputation and we are taught not to trust them.
That reason is mainly peoples natural reaction to losing. If you can convince the majority of people in the world to believe gamble is good and gamble on this questionable site, i'll stop talking. Or I'll waste my time to keep talking if necessary just because I believe casino is causing more problems than the good they bring. It's as bad as drug dealing.
Gambling isn't for everybody but there are a large number of people that gamble responsibly for fun. There are also many people that despise gambling and think it is evil. I'm a libertarian and believe that people should be able to make up their own minds what they do with their own money and it is nobody's place to preach to them. |
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Hey Quin, what happened to some of the referrals? Noticed mine has dropped by nearly 30.
I was going to comment the same thing. I had recently crossed the 100 referral threshold but now I'm down to 82. Isn't it obvious? Some of your referrals were probably fake&cheaters and they got banned. I believe they do manual checks from time to time and ban the abusers. If they don't do that, soon the service won't be able to sustain itself. I'm not sure cheating is why they were deleted. Looking through my referrals it looks like it was mostly dormant accounts that never made a claim were the ones that got deleted. Yes, it's accounts that have never been used, no rolls, no deposits, no referrals, no activity at all. We're just clearing them out of the database. |
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I'm not saying you are actually cheating, I'm just saying non-static server seed is a system that can harm the player
And I'm saying you are wrong and you still haven't addressed my point. If a casino did what you suggest and guess that a player hasn't changed their client seed someone would work out they are doing that and exploit it. Also you seem so agreesive and will not accept any opposing opinion from anyone other than defending this site for money.
Yeah, and you're the picture of calm reasoning.... All dice casinos are shit, freebitco.in is one of the worst,
The most important reason i'm writing this is because too many people are losing in the dice game which makes people question their fairness.
Which is a natural if irrational response to losing many people have. I'm not saying it's scam,
Really? The truth of dice is house can win with no house edge even negative house edge. Why? They don't beat you by house edge, they win their money from their algorithm, they will give you high if they want if you keep betting on low and vice versa, they can give you 20 or 50 high in a row in a 50% chance game and still tell you it's fair,~
i'm saying the non-static server seeds have problems and people that are winning aren't proportionate to those that lose.
I'm saying that is wrong. Non static server seeds don't cause problems and they still provide a method for customers to prove if they were cheated or not. Do you have any evidence that people lose less at sites using statics server seeds or is this just another one of your theories? I think i've made my point quite clear
I think the only thing you have made clear is that you think sites cheat but don't have anything to back up that claim. and i don't want to keep arguing about this subject.
You do a very good impression of the complete opposite. |
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Don't just tell me i failed to answer any of your points, I already asked you to show me which one?
Every point you have made I have answered, Read it above yourself. You haven't come back with a single point. Most importantly you keep ignoring the most pertinent fact. You could actually prove to yourself whether we are a fair site or but you have no interest in doing that and just wish to continue to spout your bs.
You haven't done anything apart from coming up with a theory that we *could* cheat. I've explained to you that it wouldn't work and it would expose us to someone working out any algorithm used. You totally ignored that. You obviously have no interesting in learning how to protect yourself from sites and just want to continue believing your theory. |
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Client seed should only be provided and considered safe after seeing the hashed server seed, it doesn't matter who created it. I already state this a million time if server seed changes under the condition that most people won't change their client seed every bet, client seed is known. Also you did way worth to stretch the facts to fit your prejudice by answering only part of my post.
You have indeed stated your opinion many times and totally failed to answer any of the points that I have made demonstrating the errors in your thinking. You could actually prove to yourself whether we are a fair site or but you have no interest in doing that and just wish to continue to spout your bs. |
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Lol I'm sorry, it takes me a little long to find your client seed option under provably fair, also it's randomized by the SITE unless you mannually input your client seed.
No. it is randomized by your device. It runs in Javascript so you can inspect the source code. Do you understand what i'm saying, the system is at least flawed because of non-static server seed. Tell me what rebuttals do you have i'll answer it right now.
I understand that you still don't have the first clue what you are talking about even after doing a little research. You're still trying to stretch the facts to fit your prejudice. |
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If the system detects a player doesn't change the client seed,
IT CAN"T KNOW! THERE IS A RANDOMIZE CLIENT SEED OPTION. You still have nothing more than what you *think* happens. You have no arguments at all and haven't answered any of my rebuttals (because you can't) but are still determined to believe what you want. i've already said enough so bye-bye.
Yes, you have said enough of your half-baked opinions that don't stand up to the first line of scrutiny. The real point that you completely miss is that a provably fair system doesn't guarantee that you were not cheated. What it does is give you the ability to prove it if you were. That is equally true of both implementations. Come back with some proof rather than just your theory. |
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I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.
You're not done arguing, you never started. All you've done is stated your opinion and been unable to back it up with anything other than what you *think* happens. When I answered your concerns about us 'knowing' the client seed (we don't, we could only guess if you change it or not) you don't have any comeback. You should have a think about this as well. If a provably fair site was to do what you say and use an algorithm that would mean that the servers seeds were not random. If they are not random then they would be predictable. Someone would work that out and be able to create client seeds to get the result they wanted, or even easier just bet low instead of high. Any provably fair site doing that would be cleaned out in a very short period of time. That doesn't apply to traditional fiat sites because they don't give you anything (server seed hash) in advance so they can just send you anything they want as the result after they have seen how you bet. If a provably fair site did that you would be able to prove you were cheated. |
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Has anyone's affiliate income went down in the recent month? For some reason my affiliates are not using it as much as they used to, I will need to readjust my advertisement and get some more affiliates I suppose, I wondered if it was just me or did others had the same as well. The first thing that came to my mind was "do they use their money to buy tickets" because that is the only difference in the past month however the deal is they are not even using the free faucet part as much as they used to which means it has nothing to do with the contest.
Maybe its just pure luck and shouldn't expect them to do the same over and over again for too long. I was super excited about the contest because I thought maybe some of my affiliates would gamble their money for a chance to get the ticket but I suppose that didn't happen that much.
One thing that has changed dramatically in the last month is the value of Bitcoin. If you are looking at it in BTC terms a 50% reduction in income means it stayed the same in USD terms. Everything on the site is fixed to USD value so that would be what is expected. |
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Maybe it's better just to not use Coinbase?
That is very sound advice. |
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1) Given freebitco.in added their sportsbook/betting platform making them not just a faucet/wallet but now also a sportsbook, is it safe to withdraw BTC from freebitco.in directly to an exchange? I'm starting to think no, it's not...
We have been a gambling site since 2013 so nothing changed. Check the terms of service of any exchange you use. 2) The betting seems to be parimutuel (like horse racing) in that odds are not decided until the betting period is closed, is that correct?
Yes. And I saw the formula for the time weight multiplier in the website and understand the GENERAL concept (earlier wagers are paid out more with a higher weight of the prize pool), but I am still unable to have a good sense of what my wager and therefore payout is potentially worth. I feel some betters like myself really value being able to detect whether or not we have an edge in regards to a specific wager, so if it's unknown to us (because we don't know what odds we are getting or what the ultimate payout will be for our bet), many people will simply not bet to be safe.
It is player versus player betting so you can't know in advance what the other players will do after you place your bet. That does make it difficult to know if you have an 'edge' but it can also add to the game. Have talked with numerous other bettors I know on various platforms and forums (not bitcointalk specifically) and I know they are also confused in regards to these two (2) questions, so any clarification here (and especially added to the website itself) would be greatly appreciated. Several year fan of freebitco.in and hope to see you guys and gals continue to grow.
Thanks in advance.
I'll see if we can put more information up. |
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