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1701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 18, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
My vote just put Monero at #1 on Mintpal. ^_^

https://www.mintpal.com/voting

Thanks for the link. Just voted as well.

Mintpal's contribution to DRK volume was substantial, it seems. Would be a good exchange to be listed on.
1702  Economy / Speculation / Re: The recovery in one picture, or: why bulls shouldn't salivate too much yet on: June 18, 2014, 11:29:07 AM
And oda.krell is going to be called a perma-bear too!  Grin
Correct observation about the reluctance to sell. Compared with the early March peak of 710$, the 681$ peak
saw about 10k less asks, but also 15M$ less in bids. So it appears Bistamp has been losing a lot of market share,
or is this the effect of the decoupling with BFX? Also on the 15m chart it looks like someone is pumping with
~1K BTC buys and then sells in small chunks at the top of the local uptrend he created.

Valid point about Bitstamp's reduced market share. The order book picture is much less clear on Bitfinex, with much wilder swings in either direction. I suspect that's because of the possibility to trade (and fill the order book) on margin.

In any case, the order book history is only one possible "snapshot" of the situation. Daily Chaikin Money Flow paints a similar picture, as does volume, which is anemic compared to volume during the bear market.
1703  Economy / Speculation / Re: I've convinced my partner to have a bitcoin. Do I buy now or wait until morning? on: June 18, 2014, 11:06:44 AM

^That last bit's to keep Gingermod happy.

I like your style. Hope you stick around.
1704  Economy / Speculation / The recovery in one picture, or: why bulls shouldn't salivate too much yet on: June 18, 2014, 08:58:08 AM



There it is: one picture to summarize why and how we got out of the bear valley in May. But also: why you shouldn't really expect price to reach the moon anytime soon.

Huh?

Oh, alright, I'll state the obvious: selling pressure declined, buying pressure is only up slightly. The order book history (I picked stamp) shows that pretty well. In other words, our recovery is - so far - driven mainly by the reluctance to sell, not by overwhelming desire to buy.

And that's okay for now. Just keep that in mind when we get near $700 again and you start feeling that urgent desire again to post pictures of rockets and moons.


(disclosure: I'm long. Will trade big enough swings should they arise, but I see more potential to the upside right now than to the downside. Just not that much upside potential, see above.)
1705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 18, 2014, 08:25:58 AM
I base all my trading decision on the output of his 3 layer perceptron.

In fact, I don't even double check 'em, I just have a bot hooked straight to the output.

Profit so far: Over 9000%!
1706  Economy / Speculation / Re: I've convinced my partner to have a bitcoin. Do I buy now or wait until morning? on: June 18, 2014, 08:21:56 AM
Nice story OP, made me smile. Let us know how she reacted.

And nevermind the trolls. It's tough being a 30-something year old virgin on the Internet, so they need to let off some steam in here.
1707  Economy / Speculation / Re: What big company will be the last to accept Bitcoin? on: June 18, 2014, 08:10:31 AM
Latest? I don't know... Alpaca socks webshop v2, maybe?

The last one? Visa, I'd say Cheesy
1708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 18, 2014, 08:04:46 AM
Eh. I'm not that impressed. Textbook 'recovery on falling volume' so far.





I still think the more likely scenario is another dip into the 500s, followed by 1 or 2 weeks of low volume sideways at 560, maybe 590, then breakout.
1709  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 10:11:26 PM
Snip



That's what he said about you. I can't tell the difference.

Please don't quote the 'real' Jorge either. Most people here consider him a troll.

Yeah... that's where the "don't quote trolls" rule kinda falls apart. You might not like jorge's posts, and I'd agree that he's stubborn as hell, but if he's a troll, he's probably the most polite and educated one you'll find in here. So I respond to him. So, I'm afraid, you will occasionally see a post of his as a quote in one of my posts.

I see your responses to his points, which are often ignored. Why do you bother? I honestly don't understand.

I didn't consider him a troll at first, but after six months, unfortunately I just can't take it anymore. Fuck politeness. Why does someone invest so much time into something they have no belief in? Is his life really that sad?

There's the occasional insightful remark between all the selective arguing and biased perception.

Anyway, we're all wasting our time in here, so I don't hold it again the prof that he wastes his time by playing anthropologist in here.
1710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 09:40:58 PM
Snip



That's what he said about you. I can't tell the difference.

Please don't quote the 'real' Jorge either. Most people here consider him a troll.

Yeah... that's where the "don't quote trolls" rule kinda falls apart. You might not like jorge's posts, and I'd agree that he's stubborn as hell, but if he's a troll, he's probably the most polite and educated one you'll find in here. So I respond to him. So, I'm afraid, you will occasionally see a post of his as a quote in one of my posts.
1711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
The "Western" markets want to go up, feebly.  But they can do that only while China is sleeping.  Like, right now. Or yesterday at this hour.  Or..

Stamp clearly led the "panic" part of the current correction, Huobi/OkC resisting at first. Didn't matter though, they went through it as well. Then when they made a new low 2 days ago, stamp already was already cautiously recovering. The Western market don't need to wait until China is sleeping any more than China has to wait for the Western markets to sleep before interesting things can happen.
1712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 05:25:20 PM
we are working on the handle of a cup which dates back to early march.  be patient.  it takes a little time.  i am beginning to think that 700 will be no resistance at all.

I present the Matroska Cup & Handle pattern:




Which would place touching the previous ATH into late Q3/early Q4 2014, and actually making a new one into 2015.

I'm okay with that, matches my own (fuzzy, LT) ideas pretty well, but this is probably a hard sell  to the salivating bulls that want to break $1000 in 2 weeks from now.
1713  Economy / Economics / Re: Stephen Reed's Million Dollar Logistic Model on: June 17, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
Bubble is not the correct terminology to be using for these upswings since the lows have never gone below the previous cycle high, yet.

They are more correctly waves, or super cycles, hype cycles perhaps ... but not bubbles, that's just plain wrong.

You're technically correct of course, but the term bubble became pretty entrenched in our little group's sociolect, so it is well defined and means the right thing in this context one could argue.

I personally like to refer to it as "bubble cycles" to make clear that they are not bubbles in the conventional markets' sense, but that it's a repeating pattern.

Don't remember who posted about this ~6 months to a year ago, but he suggested to refer to it as "growth spurts". I liked that term/metaphor, but it never caught on, so "bubbles" it is for now.
1714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
Were balancing around 600 for days now. I feel safe to post this.




Nice one :) Made me grin like an idiot.
1715  Economy / Speculation / Re: 10/21 EMA has crossed! Weekly MACD set to cross up! Full Moon in 7 days! on: June 17, 2014, 11:36:40 AM

I know... Silk Road crash. Can't possibly happen again. Once in a lifetime...

Bullshit. News matter, but price has a way to create its own news that matter.


Like I said, I don't expect it, but I wouldn't be shocked either if it happens.

And we have a SilkRoad crash... Again! Smiley SO the dip before the rally - check.

It looks similar enough, but (on-exchange) volume doesn't fit. I personally believe we will see a local peak (that doesn't deserve the word "bubble" though) next month, but the overall theme will be one and a half step back for each two steps forward for a longer time still, imo.
1716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 17, 2014, 11:13:52 AM
Posting to subscribe.
Next time, just hit the "watch" button and create a watchlist  Wink

Not entirely the same. By posting, I can chose to unwatch the thread at any point but still go back to it if I ever need to (and forgot about it) by 'show new replies...'.
1717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 17, 2014, 10:57:20 AM
Posting to subscribe.
1718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bubble incoming! $3800 - $4000 expected on: June 17, 2014, 10:32:02 AM
Well, for fairness sake, nobody likes being told that his 'get rich quick and without any effort' scheme isn't going to work out quite as smoothly as originally imagined.
1719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 17, 2014, 10:04:32 AM


That said, if someone else does know about a (peer reviewed even?) study on the efficacy of TA, I'd be interested.

EDIT: I'm a lazy bastard. I just didn't look very well. How about this one? Looks pretty good to me as a broad overview:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=603481



TL;DR

Quote
Among a total of 92 modern studies, 58 studies found positive results regarding technical trading strategies, while 24 studies obtained negative results. Ten studies indicated mixed results. Despite the positive evidence on the profitability of technical trading strategies, it appears that most empirical studies are subject to various problems in their testing procedures, e.g., data snooping, ex post selection of trading rules or search technologies, and difficulties in estimation of risk and transaction costs. Future research must address these deficiencies in testing in order to provide conclusive evidence on the profitability of technical trading strategies.

Did I mention I'm lazy? Cheesy
a) Back testing of TA should be very easy: all data available, all strategies are easy to program, computers are fast. It would take no time to test all sets of indicators and all strategies in all markets for all years. If only 2/3 of studies give some positive result, it means that profitability of TA, if exists at all, is at noise level. For practical purposes, an average trader can assume that TA doesn't work.
b) But bitcoin is different (c). It is exponentially growing market, therefore it is very far from efficient market, so it should be possible to earn on it. TA should work different here. It would be interesting to see any research of TA on bitcoin market. But probably such researches don't yet exist. And by the time they will appear, it'll be too late: bitcoin will stabilize and will become subject of "normal" TA, like forex or stock.

You're simplifying the situation a bit too much.

Backtesting TA isn't easy at all. The study mentions the crucial point here: ex post facto selection (of methods and parameters). It is not enough that I give you some set of parameters and we see how it performs, I need to be able to justify the selection of those parameters from a non-privileged point in time.

Also, where do you get the idea from that "if only 2/3 of the studies are positive, it's no better than noise". Depending on the selection and setup of the study, the ratio could be a lot lower and still be considered significant. To show that TA works, there needs to some algorithm that can be shown to outperform the market in a way that is unlikely to be happening by pure chance. If you as an investor/trader then want to employ that (or similar) algorithms is a different question altogether, i.e. the result could be that TA works, but the benefit could still be too small for most traders to make it worth their while employing TA (not saying that's the case... just that it's a possible outcome)
1720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 16, 2014, 04:04:23 PM


That said, if someone else does know about a (peer reviewed even?) study on the efficacy of TA, I'd be interested.

EDIT: I'm a lazy bastard. I just didn't look very well. How about this one? Looks pretty good to me as a broad overview:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=603481



TL;DR

Quote
Among a total of 92 modern studies, 58 studies found positive results regarding technical trading strategies, while 24 studies obtained negative results. Ten studies indicated mixed results. Despite the positive evidence on the profitability of technical trading strategies, it appears that most empirical studies are subject to various problems in their testing procedures, e.g., data snooping, ex post selection of trading rules or search technologies, and difficulties in estimation of risk and transaction costs. Future research must address these deficiencies in testing in order to provide conclusive evidence on the profitability of technical trading strategies.

Did I mention I'm lazy? Cheesy
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