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1761  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [BITCOIN Colouring Poster]7 / 8 limited edition BCB prints 🔶 FULL on: January 16, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
yes sorry my scanner is acting like a bitch and even though router says it is connected I cannot get it to freakin scan to any network drive. about to take it to walgreens and have them scan it for me lol
1762  Economy / Collectibles / Re: 2022 Holiday Giveaway - 2 chip MMLLC set starting with 765385 on: January 16, 2023, 07:23:14 PM
GazetaBitcoin  - deliver to minerjones

Hey Mopar! I'd like to let you know that, after ~1 month of waiting, those beautiful chips arrived in my hand  Roll Eyes They are really cool!



Thank you very much for this raffle!

ha! glad they made it!
1763  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [RANT] Can we stop with the coins / wallets / collectables with private keys on: January 16, 2023, 05:08:19 PM


   I agree me as well. BUT for any large BTC loaded items I only trust the original founders of our hobby once like Casascius and Bitbills...and the rest that have anything with less than $50 or less such as Satori's

possibly offer the same for your coins then?  your coins were 1 LTC, 1 XMR and 200 doge - only the doge was under $50 the LTC was 70ish at the time if i recall and the xmr was around 150

It is not that I dont trust you - I just dont like to have that much locked up on a collectible - it keeps me from buying more collectibles - that is why I liked cold keys - were all at 50 euros


 I hear ya and I feel ya...my latest 3d ones are only 0.0001 BTC and a loaded NFT...so less than $3 in BTC

well go a bit higher than that sir lol the $50 range is a sweet spot Smiley
1764  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [RANT] Can we stop with the coins / wallets / collectables with private keys on: January 16, 2023, 04:55:24 PM


   I agree me as well. BUT for any large BTC loaded items I only trust the original founders of our hobby once like Casascius and Bitbills...and the rest that have anything with less than $50 or less such as Satori's

possibly offer the same for your coins then?  your coins were 1 LTC, 1 XMR and 200 doge - only the doge was under $50 the LTC was 70ish at the time if i recall and the xmr was around 150

It is not that I dont trust you - I just dont like to have that much locked up on a collectible - it keeps me from buying more collectibles - that is why I liked cold keys - were all at 50 euros
1765  Economy / Collectibles / Re: My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Halving Sets!! on: January 16, 2023, 05:17:02 AM
I think everyone is missed with yogg alt account yogg_alt since no one have left negative feedback yet except me.

His last active was January 15, 2023, 05:09:10 AM, it means he's really aware and keep watching this mess for sure, I don't see any chance he will resolve this case since he's not making any reply.

thanks for pointing this out.... I added a neg as well. he comes online AFTER the bullshit with his alt and sees the mayhem and does nothing still - man is digging a bigger hole.

1766  Economy / Collectibles / Re: How long should I wait on a seller to respond? on: January 16, 2023, 03:14:50 AM
Maker reached out. All is right in the world, thx for letting g me figure out

awesome news


I run into the reverse situations where buyers say they want things and I get them, set them aside and then they dont answer dms, never pay and yet are still active on forums lol

1767  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [IDEA] Removing trust from physical coin makers re: Priv Key generation on: January 15, 2023, 09:22:37 PM
I have thought about encoding private keys to nfc tag
If it breaks, your money is gone. With a 10 plus years lifespan, that's a real risk for collectibles.

Good point. I was not aware of any 10 year lifespan.
1768  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [IDEA] Removing trust from physical coin makers re: Priv Key generation on: January 15, 2023, 06:55:43 PM
can nfc tech be used to solve/aide in any of this?

I have thought about encoding private keys to nfc tag and then having some sort of key that unlocks the nfc chip if its split key then the "user" part is on the nfc tag while the maker part is under the tag and under the holo.

havent got a chance to play with this idea yet though.
1769  Economy / Collectibles / Re: 🎄[POLL] 2 DAYS LEFT 🎅🏻 1st BTCTALK Physical CRYPTO X-MAS Decoration Contest🎅 on: January 15, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
congrats to all the other winners! and thank you to anyone who took the time to vote - not just for me but for all the people here. participation is key folks!
1770  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [IDEA] Removing trust from physical coin makers re: Priv Key generation on: January 15, 2023, 05:21:49 PM
Yes! Whyfhy! He actually had me play with it when he was working on it a while back the name was just eluding me yesterday

As for the paper - yes that is very important - ask satslife the nightmare he had with an xmr coin a while back - luckily they did get if remedied and figured out but the key was literally falling apart/fading as he watched it - luckily he took pictures
1771  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [RANT] Can we stop with the coins / wallets / collectables with private keys on: January 15, 2023, 04:37:59 PM
another simply solution - as a creator, dont fucking save keys - ever.

I doubt this will eliminate private keys on collectibles - that is part of the allure to the collectibles - but maybe always at least offer it as a DIY.

The ones that get me are the "funded" and "buyer funded" - in where the buyer directly funds the item in both cases yet only one is called "buyer funded"

I do make keys - and a lot of them for people here and elsewhere - but I always try to teach them or at least tell them they should make their own.

There are steps and processes to insure that as a creator you never expose keys to theft or use. Never save them, never leave them laying around, never keep them...

I think there will just always need to be a DIY option.

that said, I do like the opendime use except my fear with those is they get broke or fried - then you're fucked.
DIY is the way because even if the maker says they destory every private key after placing it on the coin there is no way of verifying that they did that. DIY often does not look as good as a maker placing it on there but it is the only way you can place funds on a collectible and then preloaded coins like 25btc coins could not be made and instead would just be a generic coin which can be loaded but does not have to be.

Agreed - let makers do keys if they want but also encourage to offer diy as well - there will always be a market for both - let the buyer decide instead of forcing them one way or another.
1772  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [PRE-SALE] SHADOWS AND HUES, MX12, BITCOIN ART on: January 15, 2023, 06:00:48 AM
love it! glws - I need more btc to buy more art!
1773  Economy / Collectibles / Re: My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Halving Sets!! on: January 15, 2023, 05:13:43 AM


I agree but he claimed the artwork wasn't ready yet to print at that time, so that's why those were stored until later which makes a bit of sense actually since the history series he would just print, shread and then spend day's sticking holos etc..



yes ok then shred once done - again no need to save once project is done.

Wrong Mopar. You can’t steal all the bitcoin if you destroy the private keys.

I never want to steal though. so not wrong Smiley

Interesting because that’s exactly what the last guy that stole said.

well believe me or not, I wouldnt do it.
1774  Economy / Collectibles / Re: My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Halving Sets!! on: January 15, 2023, 04:44:23 AM


I agree but he claimed the artwork wasn't ready yet to print at that time, so that's why those were stored until later which makes a bit of sense actually since the history series he would just print, shread and then spend day's sticking holos etc..



yes ok then shred once done - again no need to save once project is done.

Wrong Mopar. You can’t steal all the bitcoin if you destroy the private keys.

I never want to steal though. so not wrong Smiley
1775  Economy / Collectibles / Re: My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Halving Sets!! on: January 15, 2023, 04:05:24 AM


I agree but he claimed the artwork wasn't ready yet to print at that time, so that's why those were stored until later which makes a bit of sense actually since the history series he would just print, shread and then spend day's sticking holos etc..



yes ok then shred once done - again no need to save once project is done.
1776  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [IDEA] Removing trust from physical coin makers re: Priv Key generation on: January 15, 2023, 04:03:00 AM
The truth is, DIY coins are not as appealing as maker funded coins. Most collectors like to collect due to the potential upside in value of the pieces. DIY coins don't trade well since you have to trust the buyer who generated the private key instead of just the maker of the coin.

Yogg destroyed a coldkey collection worth over a million dollars for the $15k he has stolen so far. I suspect there will be more cases like this especially since a lot of new makers are entering the space and the price of BTC will rise

I'm happy to see smoothie taking initiative in finding a solution and I hope a solution that involves 2 trusted makers to work together can happen. Maybe smoothie and Kialara can work together and do what Ballet have done:

"To improve the security of Ballet Wallet private keys, the keys are encrypted – the key is generated and printed in China, while the required passphrase is generated and printed in the USA."



here is the deal with that - many of the coins are not actually "funded" by the maker. The maker has the buyer send funds to an address prior to shipment and then calls these "maker funded" and then they sell "buyer funded" where the buyer funds it when the receive it. There is no difference between these two scenarios - the buyer in both cases is directly funding the coin/collectible.

I do understand that not everyone wants to do their own keys though - so having a more secure way is a great idea.

Makers need to stop saving/keeping copies of the keys - use a system that puts the keys in RAM so when the machine is shut off the keys are gone - I have heard from some that do this.

Me personally, I dont save the fiile that comes out of the generator - I run the program copy the keys to a QR generator, copy that to a document and then print it - once done I close the document without saving, I close the programs without saving - essentially whatever I printed is all there is. I do typically do 2-3 of each address/key pair for in the situation I fuck up a holo. once the project is done, all remaining keys (good and peeled ones) are cross shredded and then burned. My system is airgapped - the wifi and bluetooth modules removed. I use disposable usb drives (made from paper) to update the laptop periodically - these are also cross shredded and burned after use and never ever go back to the online system. I also periodically replace the hard drive, drill it and burn it.

is there a chance that one time I could keep a key or two - sure.  But my face is known by many here - my name is known and my address is known.

There is not enough money in the world that would entice me - doing so would make me a marked man - I have too many kids and grandkids to go on the run lol

But I do get that this fear can still be there for some people. and a split key process or BIP38 or 2FA - something else would make it more secure.

It also makes the process longer and harder. Is it worth it?  and does it remove all the need to have trust?  hard to say...
1777  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [IDEA] Removing trust from physical coin makers re: Priv Key generation on: January 15, 2023, 03:51:33 AM
for bip38 and with having 2 entities involved with applying first the PK and then the pw - you would probably need two people somewhat close so as to not be paying a fortune to ship coins back and forth and without risk to losing them in the process.

there is the split key method https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Split-key_vanity_address

I apologize but someone here was working on it and at this time and moment, I cannot recall who it was.

another option is always offer DIY
1778  Economy / Collectibles / Re: My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Halving Sets!! on: January 15, 2023, 03:43:19 AM


    I read this and only one truth I can see in what he said....

     Since my name came up in that convo

      The halving cards were my idea to have two cards and together make one image.

      And yes idea was to have them all loaded on the first block of the halving. So that part is the only truth.

my whole problem with his explanation about keeping keys to fund them with the first block - you dont need pk's to do funding , addresses can do that.

so wtf have copies? and then after they were funded why then not destroy the keys?Huh then he said oh I found the gold keys too...
1779  Economy / Collectibles / Re: How long should I wait on a seller to respond? on: January 15, 2023, 03:27:40 AM
did they provide tracking?

I dont think there should be a question in asking whats up if you have paid and had no response.
1780  Other / Meta / Re: Ban Evasion for Alamjob239/Bla2kja2k/acemax/RainbowSky on: January 14, 2023, 01:33:21 PM
No - i am saying he has been banned on numerous other accounts. He is now back on the alamjob account which is ban evasion - thst should be grounds to get this account banned as well.
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