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1761  Other / Meta / Re: I need help from Cyrus or theymos on: August 25, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
Already a lot of time has passed, but administrators have not paid attention to my problem yet!
Are there any other people who can write about this?

Sadly not. All you can keep doing is bumping this thread and PMing them but it's likely futile until they actually start restoring accounts.
1762  Economy / Reputation / Re: [ANN] everytime you don't like what someone says, doesn't mean it's QS on: August 22, 2018, 08:15:43 PM
But there actually was a time when QS would just hop onto a new account just to hassle people. Her seems to have mostly moved on from that now. Even he likely got bored of it. Kinda futile either way when everyone knows it's him.
1763  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: August 22, 2018, 04:36:15 PM
where is the Internet?

when we use the word "air" to describe the internet, or where our data are stored, is it truly in the air? I mean we go to sleep knowing our email, our records are on air, and we pull it out anytime we want, are we sure it is not saved somewhere where someone is in control of them without our knowledge? what do you think about this?
1764  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forum moderation policy on: August 22, 2018, 07:45:31 AM
The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.

Some guidelines:

1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content

but what if our project is really promising?

The rules still apply whether your project is 'really promising' or not. What exactly are you not not ok with here? You want to be able to shout and swear about it or what?
1765  Other / Off-topic / Re: WHERE CAN I GET THE MERIT? on: August 21, 2018, 08:45:56 PM
You get merit from number 2. I thought everyone knew that?
Nope, maybe other members knew it but I really don't have any idea what it means. What does it means anyway? I'm really curious to find it out before I go to sleep pretty late in the evening (actually it's morning 1:55 am).

Well as you probably know there is 'one' and 'two'. One is mostly nothing but two can get you merit but only if you do 'one' twice which is two, but you need to do it fast like 11 (not eleven) with one second in between. That can get you one merit (but not always). It's pretty straight forward to be honest and I'm surprised a Senior Member doesn't know this by now, but nothing surprises me here any more.
1766  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forum moderation policy on: August 21, 2018, 05:57:14 PM
I would like to know about how post quality is determined and I would be glad to hear about all the factors that makes our post spam.
Determining the quality of the post depends on the readers perception.


Or copy and pastes, which is what that post is:

It's not a bad idea to remove junk and spam messages. But I would like to know about how post quality is determined and I would be glad to hear about all the factors that makes our post spam.
1767  Other / Off-topic / Re: WHERE CAN I GET THE MERIT? on: August 21, 2018, 05:15:47 PM
What's with those poll OP just made? I've read the question over and over again but still can't figure out what to vote (assuming that I will vote). It's 10x harder to answers than my exams :-/


You get merit from number 2. I thought everyone knew that?
1768  Other / Meta / Re: Any advice for a newbie like me? on: August 21, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Change your name - the one you have chosen is dreadful.

btw - Your father was here, but he only stayed for 4 minutes - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1961120



That one is proxybanned.
1769  Other / Meta / Re: Any advice for a newbie like me? on: August 21, 2018, 05:01:06 PM
It's likely to be a bot account. I mean, what are the chances of making your first and only post on Meta when you've just signed-up (ban appeal aside)? Meta It's not the precisely the first section you encounter, and the board name is a kind of a weird word for most.

What makes you think he posted it here initially? Most get posted in Bitcoin Discussion and a staff member moves them.
1770  Other / Meta / Re: What should be included in a newbie welcome message? on: August 21, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Just saw this post below. Maybe theymos can hire this woman to do an introduction video:


Or alia.  Cheesy
1771  Other / Meta / Re: Any advice for a newbie like me? on: August 21, 2018, 01:03:10 PM
What do you need advice on? This is a bitcoin forum so people normally discuss bitcoin or crypto related things. What made you join this forum so maybe we can help you further.

In the meantime, there's a list of forum rules here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
A FAQ about forum ranks and the 'merit' function here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
Various beginners guides can be found stickied here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0
1772  Other / Meta / Re: account hacked - I locked it, but now what? on: August 21, 2018, 11:36:43 AM
Pretty much the only way is with a signed message. I can unlock the account but not restore access of it to you if you don't already have access to it. Only theymos and cyrus can do that but good luck with that with or without a signed message.

Can you unlock please? Thank you!

Not without a signed message or some other fairly watertight and verifiable proof.
1773  Other / Meta / Re: Moderators(Cyrus, hilariousand) do not responds. I do not know what to do. on: August 21, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

I did not swear with you!
You told me that I should write to Cyrus and theymos.
I wrote them and politely asked them to return my topic. But they ignored me.
After that I wrote to you again, but you also became silent.
I had nothing to do but create this topic. And I'm sorry I did not know about the button MOVE.

You did:



But it's pointless arguing about this, but you should understand staff here are under pressures as well, not to mention being frustrated with the workload and lack of things being done about it. This all has a knock on effect from the top down.





1774  Other / Meta / Re: Moderators(Cyrus, hilariousand) do not responds. I do not know what to do. on: August 21, 2018, 08:45:51 AM
One: You can move the thread yourself. Two: If it's an investigation then it belongs there, but I didn't move it. Three: I don't have time to respond to every question here and you get an answer then keep asking more or don't even understand what I'm saying, but then you start shouting and swearing and that's my cue to ignore you.

What exactly is the crux of your issue? That others can't see the thread in investigations? Then take a screenshot or an archive of it and link it in your original reddit post or wherever and then your problem is solved.


And I do not ask for any help from you. I will win one, because I always win. I just ask you to click once with a mouse and return my topic to where it should be.

Well you do, but if this is the case then what are you complaining about? All I ask is you do some clicking and your problem is solved. Good luck, winner.
1775  Other / Meta / Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) on: August 21, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
None of these ideas are new to me. Even if I don't respond to suggestions, I do read them, and they float around in my mind going forward.

I'm not saying all of these are good suggestions and some probably won't help much if at all to combat certain issues, but I'm just brainstorming here to try plug some of the holes of what I believe to be a sinking ship. I'd much rather you just say my ideas were crap or just a simple 'no' (as you have now done) than remain silent for years on them because everyone is in the dark. At least I know I can drop certain suggestions if they're unlikely to ever be implemented and move on to trying something else.

A big possible reason is that I'm the only person who does development on the current code, and my time is limited. Another big reason is that this is a huge forum with complex dynamics, and even small policy changes can have big effects which need to be thought through very carefully.


Everybody knows and respects the fact that you're busy and making changes isn't always as easy as clicking a few buttons or writing a bit of code and requires future thought of how changes will effect things in the grand scheme of things here and it's good you do that, but when there's just silence for years things just get worse and worse and nobody knows what to think or whether something is a good or terrible idea or not. It's incredibly frustrating for both staff and members alike when we can see the forum crumbling before our eyes being overrun with bots and spammers and we're making suggestions to try prevent further deterioration and we're just ignored. Years pass and the forum just gets exponentially worse with each passing one and that's only going to continue the longer we leave it.

An example: a bump button sounds good as a fix for certain very visible problems, but it also codifies a broken system.

A bump button is the least of our worries to be honest. Putting a warning when they go to post to maybe follow the rules in the Marketplace and/or a reminder to only bump once every 24 hours and remove the bump when they do would be a quicker/easier fix. Linking the rules to users upon sign up would also give them the information as many just aren't even aware of the rules here.

I'm not going to respond here in detail to all of these ideas. It'd be extremely long. I will classify them as OK/maybe/no:

• A newbie welcome message or link to a welcome thread upon sign-up explaining the basic rules and links to everything they need to know including the full forum rules, helpful guides and FAQs etc. No excuses for not knowing the rules then.

This could be done very simply and quickly, right? Can we do this ASAP as soon as we've got it ready? New users would then have no excuses for not reading the rules.

• Dedicated sub board mods for most boards that don't have any mods or non-global mods already assigned (Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help, Off Topic etc).

Same for this. You sent me the list of highest reporters in Bitcoin Discussion a few weeks ago and there was a clear standout. Unless you know something about him that I don't then I think he would make a good sub mod and patroller. Other staff could volunteer for other boards, but I think one or two of the users who have reported thousands of posts have probably also earned or are deserving a place as mod by now. We've lost far more staff over the past few years than have been replaced and the forum only continues to grow so we need to occasionally add them to meet demand. More staff = less workload and stress for other mods and the board improves in the process.

• More admins or demi-admins added to help with account recoveries and other admin duties.

Why don't you add another? This seems like a quick fix for a few things. If there was more staff and admins added you and cyrus would be bothered less and less. You would be less annoyed by the barrage of PMs and users would be less frustrated and every other Global will then stop being spammed with the same questions for things they don't have the authority to do. It's pointless you two even being messaged about certain things like account restorations if you're not doing them at all which currently seems to be the case. I could even do admin duties full time here if you wanted and I'm practically on the forum all day anyway, but something tells me if I was going to be made an admin it would have happened by now. If you don't trust me to do it for whatever reasons then fair enough but there must be someone else who can do it on staff - Mprep, rickbig, Mitchell or one of the other long-standing mods. Maybe even ask one of the veteran/trusted users here like vod or whoever (in b4 quickseller complains). If none of us are suitable have you spoken to BadBear recently? Maybe try email him asking if he'll come back. You mentioned a while ago that you've considered hiring someone to run the forum so why not hire BadBear? It makes sense for him to do it over some Marlon Rando. BadBear was a great admin as you also said and he knows how the forum works, which would make sense rather than hiring someone external who has to learn all the ways of the world here which wouldn't be easy or something you can learn in a short time.

• Enforce the sig campaign guidelines. If a campaign is spotted that is doing little to nothing and is abused en mass by spammers, farmers, bots and copy and pasters they are warned. If nothing changes then they are punished with such things as bans, threads trashed, signatures blacklisted site-wide etc.

This needs to happen asap as they're the ones causing the rapid deterioration of the forum in the first place which makes it unfit for purpose and enforcing this would have a tremendous knock on effect on the quality and usability of the forum. I've banned at least 50 users (mostly Juniors) who were copy and pasting content on the Elon City campaign the past month or so. I've no idea how many Rickbig or mprep has banned and could be even more than I have. Elon City accept anyone with no checks and this is why it's exploited by copy and paste bots and spammers. This can't be acceptable. I say we set up some sort of rules where if 5 or 10 users are caught copy and pasting on your campaign or the same amount of users are banned for low quality posts then your campaign gets the ban as well. If this starts happening then campaigns will start doing their job and it will become less common that we have to issue bans because the culture of campaigns doing nothing will change very fast. This forum is too valuable for them to not be able to advertise here for free so they'll start playing by the rules very quickly. If they can hire people to spam for them then they can hire people to manage their campaign as well.

• A Beginners and Help board for the Alt Coin section (the bitcoin one is mostly swamped with alt coin and bounty-related issues).

Can this be done soon? People are getting annoyed at all the alt coin spam in Bitcoin Beginners. The Alt coin marketplace is also unusable as it is because it's being used as a catch-all for everything and not for trades/services as intended.

Can you comment some short reasons to some of the No's?

• A publicly displayed 'banned' rank under a person's username for permabanned accounts (people are wasting both theirs and staffs time reporting already banned users and bots).

This is already shown to staff, but is there some issue in making this public? I don't necessarily think we should show temp bans but if a person's account is done here then I see no issue in that.

• Require at least one merit to become a Junior Member (bots will never rise past Newbie status then and can be nuked once spotted).

Can you elaborate on this one? To me a merit requirement to become Junior or their signature removed completely is essential and I think most of the community agrees. It can't be acceptable for bots to be able to earn from signature campaigns and wasn't the merit system introduced to curb account farming? It stops spammers from moving up to higher ranks but doesn't stop them from farming hundreds of Juniors and spamming and earning from them which people are now doing and this needs to chnage. One merit to become Junior isn't a lot to ask and most people seem to agree it should be higher. Removing signatures from them completely shouldn't be a big issue either as you did so for Newbies and Juniors barely have anything there now anyway, but this doesn't stop campaigns from paying them for it and that's the whole crux of the issue. People can still purchase Copper Membership to get a limited one anyway.

• More donator ranks such as Silver and Gold Member that come with additional perks such as avatars and Full/Hero member-sized signatures etc (which will severely curb account farming and sales). You could also even have an expensive premium 'Platinum' rank (bling bling) that comes with further benefits (for example: image banner in signature, animated gif avatar, custom title, ability to change username etc).

That's a shame, though I hope someday they will be implemented like Copper was. I think it will severely deter account farming or people trying to purchase merits just to move up ranks. I hope they'll be on the new forum at least.

• A new member rank after Legendary as it is becoming far too common now and will only become more so as time passes. I would suggest fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920.

A new rank obviously isn't essential right now but I think a new one will be needed eventually or the forum will just be full of Legendaries. A new rank with a very high merit requirement would mean only the best posters achieved it. It would be a nice thing for Legendaries to aim to achieve once they've hit that rank as there's nothing after it.

Also, you forgot to comment about Lambos for staff?  Yes/no/maybe?  Cheesy
1776  Other / Meta / Re: Account hacked and stolen on: August 21, 2018, 07:41:02 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

Follow that. Post it here if you want it verified quicker. I can ban the account but not restore it to you.
1777  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos, many community suggestions but silence from your side.[Answerd] on: August 21, 2018, 07:25:38 AM
Fair enough, though I suppose the discussion could be continued in the my suggestion thread, but up to you.
1778  Other / Meta / Re: appeal on: August 21, 2018, 07:14:11 AM
I might have had some sympathy for you but it's clear you are not here to contribute. You just want to spam worthless contributions to earn and rank up in the process. You were banned for this very thing and yet are continuing to do it on this account:

How will the process work? I mean, how do I use PMA tokens?

How will the process work? I mean, how do I use darwins tokens?

How will the process work? I mean, how do I use  INGOT COIN tokens?

You don't care about the answer to those questions. You're just doing it because the only effort it requires is you changing the name of the crapcoin ICO.
1779  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos, many community suggestions but silence from your side.We need you. on: August 21, 2018, 07:06:22 AM
I don't think all of those ideas are good.

I didn't say they all were, but it's more of a brainstorming session and people are free to chime in if they think they're good, bad or why they won't work. Some probably may not solve much or annoy more users than they benefit, but I'd rather propose something and it be shot down or improved upon with a better solution than say nothing and watch the forum continue to burn in the process.

For example "Implementing a redirect notice/landing page for when users click an external link urging them to double check the url for phishing and possibly warning them of the dangers of buying things from autobuy links and that they should likely use a trusted escrow etc)." would really slow me down.

If you have an issue with clicking bad links, download firefox or an adblocker and it'll show you the links you're hovering over before you click them.

Pretty sure most if not all browsers show you the link when you hover over it but that isn't the point for several reasons. People can click on the links accidentally as I almost have a few times and when the domain is very similar upon first glance it's not always easy to tell. That's usually how they sucker people in. Users are also getting scammed by buying things from autobuy links and they often come from google without signing up and the sellers feedback isn't shown (which is often painted in red). Sure, they should probably be more careful with what they buy and from who but this is just an additional safety measure. It could easily be toggled on/off in settings if people didn't like it but I have seen this feature on many forums and websites so it obviously has its purposes.

Can we stop making threads that have @theymos in the subject, I have spotted two and I'm already really annoyed.

Some people are also really annoyed that he barely ever replies to PMs or the numerous threads created about suggestions to make this forum a better place or get help with simple issues. Things not getting done is annoying for everyone just as I'm sure it's annoying for theymos constantly being bothered about them. I'm really annoyed that I get messages pretty much every day containing a variation of the phrase "I messaged theymos and cyrus but didn't get response" and it's usually always about things only they can do. Usually creating these sorts of threads is the last resort and only option left to get his attention. In fact, I even had to do it a while ago and it even worked.
1780  Other / Meta / Re: Moderators(Cyrus, hilariousand) do not responds. I do not know what to do. on: August 21, 2018, 06:10:52 AM
You're being a bit disingenuous with your facts here. I responded at least three times to you:



You just don't like the answers and I'm not going to waste my time saying the same thing over and over to the same questions you've already asked. I told you why your thread was likely moved but I wasn't the one who did it. Why don't you just archive or take a screenshot of the thread if it's imperative that you need to link to it?
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