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1781  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: September 30, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

Cool

So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

Cool

Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?
1782  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: September 30, 2018, 03:24:28 PM
If you would look at one of them, you would find the bibliographies.

The sources for "Doctors Against Vaccines" include a small handful of quacks, including such illustrious characters as:

1 - A guy who believes the Soviet Union tried to impose its ideology on the US by surreptitiously introducing STDs in to the US
2 - A guy who decided that vaccines cause diabetes because he did an experiment with diabetic-prone mice
3 - A guy who believes in Chemtrails
4 - A guy who had his license removed and was struck off the medical register for falsifying study data

And yet those are the ones you trust. Conveniently ignoring the 99.99% of doctors who aren't morons.

Honestly, if you totally believe the testimony of some nutjob who thinks the Soviets are trying to give us all herpes, you are beyond hope.

Sounds like you might have looked at the bibliography of one of them. LOL!

 Cheesy

Sounds like you can't accept reality.

Sounds like you aren't interested in proof, or even evidence. Contradicting your own nature, eh? Maybe it's the Russian STDs infecting your brain.

Cool

You seem to be interested only in the small evidence you need for your own arguments, ignoring the 99.99% of all the evidence for the specific problem. For example evolution, 99.99% of evidence is in favor of evolution yet you keep focusing on the 0.01%. Same here. You would rather believe a few nutjobs and conspiracy theorists than all the doctors/scientists in the world.
1783  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 30, 2018, 03:22:50 PM

BADLogic: "You are stupid and wrong.  Science proves that evolution is fake (no evidence given or sources cited)   #SmileyGirl Cool"

Google "evolution is impossible" to find all kinds of proof that evolution is impossible.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I can google why evolution is real and find all kinds of proof why it is. I can also google rebuttals to all the supposed proof for why evolution is impossible.

Your rebuttals rebut themselves by making all kinds of assumptions that evolution is factual, when such has not been proven.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

The rebuttals of my rebuttals rebut themselves by assuming all kinds of assumptions like evolution is a hoax when such is not proven.
1784  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you believe God exists? on: September 29, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth.  People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true.  Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why believe anything without evidence?  Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

Cool

So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?
1785  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 29, 2018, 11:32:35 PM

BADLogic: "You are stupid and wrong.  Science proves that evolution is fake (no evidence given or sources cited)   #SmileyGirl Cool"

Google "evolution is impossible" to find all kinds of proof that evolution is impossible.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I can google why evolution is real and find all kinds of proof why it is. I can also google rebuttals to all the supposed proof for why evolution is impossible.
1786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: September 29, 2018, 11:30:50 PM
If you would look at one of them, you would find the bibliographies.

The sources for "Doctors Against Vaccines" include a small handful of quacks, including such illustrious characters as:

1 - A guy who believes the Soviet Union tried to impose its ideology on the US by surreptitiously introducing STDs in to the US
2 - A guy who decided that vaccines cause diabetes because he did an experiment with diabetic-prone mice
3 - A guy who believes in Chemtrails
4 - A guy who had his license removed and was struck off the medical register for falsifying study data

And yet those are the ones you trust. Conveniently ignoring the 99.99% of doctors who aren't morons.

Honestly, if you totally believe the testimony of some nutjob who thinks the Soviets are trying to give us all herpes, you are beyond hope.

Sounds like you might have looked at the bibliography of one of them. LOL!

 Cheesy

Sounds like you can't accept reality.
1787  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: September 29, 2018, 11:29:54 PM
On a globe the size of the earth - some 24,000 miles in circumference - the curvature of water that finds its own level is not measurable by any means we have today, except at distances. Why not? Because the measurement would have to be in angstroms, the size of the water molecules themselves. We have no way to reduce heat in water sufficiently, while at the same time keeping the water liquid, to reduce the motion of the molecules so that we can measure the curvature. Study microcalorimetric functions. However. We know that water curves in a container with adhesion and cohesion. So, we know that water can curve, and not find its own level.


If there is no other container, gravity, cohesion or adhesion, or a combination of the three, will contain the water.


Water does indeed take the shape of an exterior surface. Consider how many people have been wiping their dishes dry after washing them, for thousands of years. Also, dunk a basketball or tennis ball or golf ball in water. Even when the ball is only in the water for a few seconds, the water sticks to the surface of the ball when you pull it out of the water. In other words, it is wet. Turning the ball 360 degrees in a 24-hour period doesn't have anything to do with how dry or wet the ball remains; so, "spinning ball effect" doesn't apply one way or the other.


If you take a partial vacuum system, one which has a gas evenly distributed/dispersed throughout the vacuum, and you place a chunk of solid material within the system, there will be more gas that gathers at the surface of the chunk than there is in any other place in the vacuum system. This means that there is NOT a sudden cut-off of gas. What it means is that there is a gradual lessening of gas as you move away from the chunk.

Globe earth is like this. Ignore the effect of the solar winds for a moment. You need oxygen tanks while climbing at the summit of Mount Everest, because the air is so thin up there that there isn't enough to breathe. The higher you go, the less the air. There is not sudden cut-off. But gravity definitely causes a gradual reduction of air until you reach a point that is near a pure vacuum. Note that in near Earth orbit around the sun, there is still at least one proton ion for every cubic centimeter of space. There is no pure vacuum in near Earth orbit.


Regarding ships and horizons, lie down on the ground, with the side of your head on the ground, and look out of your eye that is nearest the ground. Do this on a flat surface like a sidewalk, but best a flat, straight road. Note where the horizon is. Next, lie down on a table, in the exact same place, but 2.5 feet above the road. See that the position of the horizon has changed. Objects on the road drop off the horizon at different points. You don't really need a telescope for this, but use one if you want. Ships at sea and horizon measurement is stupid... doesn't prove anything because of too many variables. Road horizon at a couple of inches off the surface of the road is a good indicator. Experiment this way and that, and you will see that there is definitely horizon with objects below or partially below the road horizon.


Cool

I appreciate this response.

I believe we can all "science" and win in the end.  I find this to be a very interesting topic and love doing experiments.  

The Mount Everest example you gave us is very interesting.  I see what your saying about the "cut off".  For me the "relative density" explanation makes more sense than gravity however I cannot answer why there is a gradual lessening of the air.  Why doesn't gravity push the air down equally in the ball earth model?  I will be looking into this and as you have made a good point and now I want to know.  I report back (may take a bit of time) what I find out.  Thanks for giving me something to think about.  

The chunk of metal in the vacuum is also an interesting experiment to try.  Not sure how feasible it would be for me to attempt to create this experiment but I'm going to look into it.  

With the water example on the ball and dishes I don't buy into that as much.  Were talking about a thin film of water which runs off the ball/dish.  To me comparing that to a mass curve in the ocean where the water is conforming to a shape and holding that shape while supporting it's own weight and not flowing is a massively different situation all together.  Not trying to start a fight on this or be disrespectful but I'm not behind this one as much.  If there is another situation you can point me to where there are gallons of water holding the shape and not flowing I would be interested to hear.  

I wasn't sure what your getting at with the laying down on the road.  When you change your perspective the horizon will change for sure I agree with that.  I saw a woman from NASA claim that the earth is round because you can see ships go over the horizon.  As soon as I could pull the ship back using binoculars (at the same position I was using when I saw it sink behind the horizon) I call bullshit.  I'm in agreement with the ship and water being inconclusive.  Both sides, hell every side including the penis shaped earth is going to call BS attempting to prove shape of the earth using the boat disappearing behind the water curve.  

Yeah not that literally all sailors in the world knew about this. naaaaaaah
1788  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: September 29, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
On a globe the size of the earth - some 24,000 miles in circumference - the curvature of water that finds its own level is not measurable by any means we have today, except at distances. Why not? Because the measurement would have to be in angstroms, the size of the water molecules themselves. We have no way to reduce heat in water sufficiently, while at the same time keeping the water liquid, to reduce the motion of the molecules so that we can measure the curvature. Study microcalorimetric functions. However. We know that water curves in a container with adhesion and cohesion. So, we know that water can curve, and not find its own level.


If there is no other container, gravity, cohesion or adhesion, or a combination of the three, will contain the water.


Water does indeed take the shape of an exterior surface. Consider how many people have been wiping their dishes dry after washing them, for thousands of years. Also, dunk a basketball or tennis ball or golf ball in water. Even when the ball is only in the water for a few seconds, the water sticks to the surface of the ball when you pull it out of the water. In other words, it is wet. Turning the ball 360 degrees in a 24-hour period doesn't have anything to do with how dry or wet the ball remains; so, "spinning ball effect" doesn't apply one way or the other.


If you take a partial vacuum system, one which has a gas evenly distributed/dispersed throughout the vacuum, and you place a chunk of solid material within the system, there will be more gas that gathers at the surface of the chunk than there is in any other place in the vacuum system. This means that there is NOT a sudden cut-off of gas. What it means is that there is a gradual lessening of gas as you move away from the chunk.

Globe earth is like this. Ignore the effect of the solar winds for a moment. You need oxygen tanks while climbing at the summit of Mount Everest, because the air is so thin up there that there isn't enough to breathe. The higher you go, the less the air. There is not sudden cut-off. But gravity definitely causes a gradual reduction of air until you reach a point that is near a pure vacuum. Note that in near Earth orbit around the sun, there is still at least one proton ion for every cubic centimeter of space. There is no pure vacuum in near Earth orbit.


Regarding ships and horizons, lie down on the ground, with the side of your head on the ground, and look out of your eye that is nearest the ground. Do this on a flat surface like a sidewalk, but best a flat, straight road. Note where the horizon is. Next, lie down on a table, in the exact same place, but 2.5 feet above the road. See that the position of the horizon has changed. Objects on the road drop off the horizon at different points. You don't really need a telescope for this, but use one if you want. Ships at sea and horizon measurement is stupid... doesn't prove anything because of too many variables. Road horizon at a couple of inches off the surface of the road is a good indicator. Experiment this way and that, and you will see that there is definitely horizon with objects below or partially below the road horizon.


Cool

They will come up with some sort of optical illusion to explain that too. Or they will tell you that your eyes are deceiving you and you can't trust your vision.
1789  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2018, 01:48:55 PM



I don't recall seeing anyone post or discuss this 1broker.com seizure issue that happened about two days ago.

https://bitcoinist.com/1broker-com-domain-seized-by-the-fbi/
Dull twit.

Speaking of Dull twit, I am coming to a tentative vision about some possible upcoming BTC price waves that could suggest that our BTC bottom is already "in"

So perhaps, at some point we are going to get price trickling up, and then a shooting up of the price that takes us above $10k, but just short of micgoosen's intermediary play game.. so just shy of $12k.. so that UP would take less than a month to play out, and then prices correct down to nearly $7k, and then get stuck in a $7,600 to $9k range for several months.... maybe 6 months-ish...  before resuming progress towards the previous ATH... but then again getting stuck along the way, perhaps in the $14-$17k range for at least 6 months....

Therefore, we might not be breaking previous ATHs again for about a year and a half.. maybe that is too lackluster of a scenario given potential drama that could involve playing around with the halvening and an ETF that could cause additional UP drama?  though I am thinking that we still have not experienced our true and complete blow-off top that would have been started by the December 2017 rise to $19,666... so there is that, too.

I know that a lot of us are thinking that alt coins are dead, but seems that whether we like it or NOT, they are coming with us for at least one more rally that will confuse a lot of normies about which coin to invest in... but those of us already who have been around the block understand that bitcoin is the solid one... especially if we are considering both upside and downside risks.

I doubt we will get stuck in the 14-17k range. Once we reach 12k, the amount of fomo will be ridiculous. We will speed past the ATH and reach a new level. I would not be surprised to see 30k at the end of year.

FOMO wont be the same because a lot of people are going to be scared of another crash, also a lot of people will take profits along the way this time (at least more people than last time). We will never achieve the same amount of FOMO unless we break 20k convincingly.
FOMO isn't the same right now, at the prices above it would be strange if it didn't be strong enough to trigger a massive bull run. Right now NEW people are scared because they got burnt with the hype train by jumping on when it was about to derail. Old people (crypto not age) are just used to the same old same old. Once we break 10k USD and then 10k EUR and sustain it for a brief period of time instead of rejecting it things are bound to accelerate.

You really think old crypto folks are used to it? 99% of them are not, I mean 99% of people aren't traders, they don't know this stuff, old and new people in crypto got burned with the crash. Fear and greed are 2 emotions really hard to control, obviously experienced traders know this but 99% of people don't and it doesn't matter if they have been in this situation already, they are still scared and they will still greed.
1790  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: September 29, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
A boat disappears bottom up into a mirage at the horizon and that's a provable fact.




[boom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDdwP0Ucomk

RIP IN PEPERONIS. Min 2:00 and beyond, you can see the lights showing where the mirage starts and ends clearly showing how more than half of the boat is hidden by the horizon mirage, I'm get getting rekt here.
FTFY



The video shows a boat being engulfed by a mirage exactly as I described. The bottom part of the ship is covered by a reflection of the area just above it. As the boat gets farther away it gets smaller as the mirage which remains the same size covers more and more of it. Eventually the angular size of the boat is so small the entire vessel is engulfed and disappears.

Its great you're now admitting the mirage at the horizon is a fact but, you need to go the full distance here and admit the Earth is flat, that or kill yourself.

Obviously it get's smaller, but you can see the thin mirage line at the end, what the hell happened to the rest of the boat?
1791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
I don't recall seeing anyone post or discuss this 1broker.com seizure issue that happened about two days ago.

https://bitcoinist.com/1broker-com-domain-seized-by-the-fbi/
Dull twit.

Speaking of Dull twit, I am coming to a tentative vision about some possible upcoming BTC price waves that could suggest that our BTC bottom is already "in"

So perhaps, at some point we are going to get price trickling up, and then a shooting up of the price that takes us above $10k, but just short of micgoosen's intermediary play game.. so just shy of $12k.. so that UP would take less than a month to play out, and then prices correct down to nearly $7k, and then get stuck in a $7,600 to $9k range for several months.... maybe 6 months-ish...  before resuming progress towards the previous ATH... but then again getting stuck along the way, perhaps in the $14-$17k range for at least 6 months....

Therefore, we might not be breaking previous ATHs again for about a year and a half.. maybe that is too lackluster of a scenario given potential drama that could involve playing around with the halvening and an ETF that could cause additional UP drama?  though I am thinking that we still have not experienced our true and complete blow-off top that would have been started by the December 2017 rise to $19,666... so there is that, too.

I know that a lot of us are thinking that alt coins are dead, but seems that whether we like it or NOT, they are coming with us for at least one more rally that will confuse a lot of normies about which coin to invest in... but those of us already who have been around the block understand that bitcoin is the solid one... especially if we are considering both upside and downside risks.

I doubt we will get stuck in the 14-17k range. Once we reach 12k, the amount of fomo will be ridiculous. We will speed past the ATH and reach a new level. I would not be surprised to see 30k at the end of year.

FOMO wont be the same because a lot of people are going to be scared of another crash, also a lot of people will take profits along the way this time (at least more people than last time). We will never achieve the same amount of FOMO unless we break 20k convincingly.
1792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2018, 10:41:02 AM
Brace yourselves.  We are edging another dump.  



4 hour chart for context



It's a wedge, not necessarily going to break bearish, it could break bullish too.
1793  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: September 29, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
A boat disappears bottom up into a mirage at the horizon and that's a provable fact.




[boom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDdwP0Ucomk

RIP IN PEPERONIS. Min 2:00 and beyond, you can see the lights showing where the mirage starts and ends clearly showing how more than half of the boat is hidden by the horizon, get rekt.
1794  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: September 29, 2018, 08:27:12 AM
Doctors Against Vaccines - Hear From Those Who Have Done the Research





These tiny cells are scattered throughout the brain, lying dormant waiting to be activated. In fact, they are activated by many stimuli and are quite easy to activate. For our discussion, activation of the body's immune system by vaccination is a most important stimuli for activation of brain microglia. Numerous studies have shown that when the body's immune system is activated, the brain's immune cells are likewise activated. This occurs by several pathways, not important to this discussion. The more powerfully the body's immune system is stimulated the more intense is the brain's reaction. Prolonged activation of the body's immune system likewise produces prolonged activation of the brain's immune system.

...

The problem with our present vaccine policy is that so many vaccines are being given so close together and over such a long period that the brain’s immune system is constantly activated. This has been shown experimentally in numerous studies.


This means that the brain will be exposed to large amounts of the excitotoxins as well as the immune cytokines over the same period.


Studies on all of these disorders, even in autism, have shown high levels of immune cytokines and excitotoxins in the nervous system. These destructive chemicals, as well as the free radicals they generate, are diffused throughout the nervous system doing damage, a process called bystander injury.


It’s sort of like throwing a bomb in a crowd. Not only will some be killed directly by the blast, but those far out into the radius of the explosion will be killed by shrapnel.


Read more at https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2018/09/doctors-against-vaccines-hear-from.html.


Cool


Does all your research come from those conspiracy websites?
1795  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 29, 2018, 08:26:04 AM

''We can start by recognizing that God exists. From there we can go on to recognize that He has talked through the Bible.'' Solid evidence there, we have to start by saying god is real because he is (all your arguments for his existence were debunked in the other thread) and then we have to believe he talked through the bible because...

In that other thread... you forgot the part about all your refutation refuting itself.

IF we were scientifically ignorant enough that we didn't have proof for God's existence, the best we could say is that we don't know where things came from. Why? Because we don't know enough about how things work, or what the history of the earth really is, to factually say that we know that evolution exists. The best that evolution can do is to suggest itself. All evolution things fit other events better than they fit evolution. And to top it all off, we have not even one proof of evolution. All we have is talk that there is proof.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Well the fact is that most scientists, even the ones that believe in god agree that evolution is real. If they thought scientific proof for god existed, they would have came up with a scientific theory for god already since 30% of scientists in america believe in it. It's quite strange how they support evolution theory but make no effort to create even a hypothesis for the existence of god. Yet at the same time you believe evolution is clearly fake and god clearly has scientific evidence to prove his existence. Really strange..

Even if your "statistics" are accurate, nobody has offered real proof that evolution exists. All of it, 100% of it, is based on the possibility that nature fits the evolution idea.

Most college-graduate, thinking scientists of our day have gone through some evolution courses. If evolution isn't their field, they agree with it only because they were required to take the classes. They haven't evaluated the other options - adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change... to say nothing about deeply considering C&E programming. So, there is nothing strange about the way they support evolution... almost absent mindedly.

Actually, I don't believe God clearly has scientific proof for His existence. I know it. The simplest proof is machine nature. Why would I believe when there is proof? Machines have makers.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

''nobody has offered real proof that evolution exists.'' You keep saying that but a scientific theory cannot exist without proof, why would those 30-40% of scientists that believe in god accept evolution then?
1796  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 28, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
LOL




Is that a whale in his left eye?
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1798  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 28, 2018, 05:53:23 PM

''We can start by recognizing that God exists. From there we can go on to recognize that He has talked through the Bible.'' Solid evidence there, we have to start by saying god is real because he is (all your arguments for his existence were debunked in the other thread) and then we have to believe he talked through the bible because...

In that other thread... you forgot the part about all your refutation refuting itself.

IF we were scientifically ignorant enough that we didn't have proof for God's existence, the best we could say is that we don't know where things came from. Why? Because we don't know enough about how things work, or what the history of the earth really is, to factually say that we know that evolution exists. The best that evolution can do is to suggest itself. All evolution things fit other events better than they fit evolution. And to top it all off, we have not even one proof of evolution. All we have is talk that there is proof.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Well the fact is that most scientists, even the ones that believe in god agree that evolution is real. If they thought scientific proof for god existed, they would have came up with a scientific theory for god already since 30% of scientists in america believe in it. It's quite strange how they support evolution theory but make no effort to create even a hypothesis for the existence of god. Yet at the same time you believe evolution is clearly fake and god clearly has scientific evidence to prove his existence. Really strange..
1799  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: September 28, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
...[snip]...

Are you stupid or you just want to trick yourself again into believing in this crap? Look at the bottom of the ship, it's completely perfect, no illusion at all, how does the fata morgana work, does it only work behind the ship but not affecting the ship or what, for fuck sake dude, wake the fuck up.





Watch the birdie (the flying one), then go kill yourself.

Where is the boat? When does that happen to the boat, ever?
1800  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 115th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD BITCOIN COIN on: September 28, 2018, 02:39:44 PM
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