^^^ LOL! At least notbatman has a lot of stuff to back up what he says. If you really think that concepts don't exist, then you haven seen or heard or thought of any concepts.

As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.

As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.

As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.

Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!

OK I researched it:

   The apparent position of the Sun during the equinoxes (caused by atmospheric lensing combined with the perspective of an observer at sea level) is consistent with an approximate distance of 3,000 miles as measured directly by a sextant.

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The crazy life and crazier death of Tycho Brahe,
history's strangest astronomer




   "He lived in a castle, where he kept a rather unusual group of regular entertainers. He employed a little person called Jepp, who Brahe believed possessed psychic powers. Jepp was his court jester, and spent most dinners under the table. It's probably best not to speculate on just why Brahe preferred that arrangement. Then there was Brahe's elk, a tame beast that Brahe kept as a prized pet. The elk met a rather bizarre end, reportedly drinking a lot of beer while visiting a nobleman on Brahe's behalf, after which it fell down the stairs and died. Yes, that entire sentence was about an elk."
   ^{Source: https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-crazy-life-and-crazier-death-of-tycho-brahe-histor-5696469}



CLOWN WORLD CONFIRMED!
CLOWN WORLD CONFIRMED!
CLOWN WORLD CONFIRMED!



To learn more about please see the following YouTube video:
   THE GENIUSES THAT MEASURED THE SUN'S DISTANCE -- https://youtu.be/j2ClsgdFCB8

^^^ Well, it seems that this is your belief... or at least you would like it to be.

I don't want to change your belief. In fact, when you are so adamantly stuck in this direction, I welcome your belief... for you, that is.

I suspect that you will die. What do you think? No matter what you think about your death, we will find out whose belief is more accurate. Or don't you think we will?

It's the same with the Muslims. We and they will find out. Or do you think we will be dead before we know it?

Because you say it?

There aren't any mankind-understanding choices before the universe existed. This doesn't mean that there weren't choices in God. God-choices are different than man-choices, and do not even fall into the category of choices. If God-choices were like man-choices, the universe would have been here already... at least in the basic form that it is in.

C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed. At least not in any way mankind can understand. Why? Because mankind understands according to things of the universe, because he is an integral part of the universe. Or do you have evidence that he isn't? Even science agrees that he is.

Get over it. What existed "before" the universe is utterly and entirely outside of our understanding and thinking. No random, no non-random, no C&E, no non-C&E, no before.

God, having created the universe, is the First Cause, "before" there were any effects. God, entirely different than man before the universe was created. God, having interjected himself into the universe after creating it, in the form of Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and rise again, to save us from our mistakes... mistakes like thinking universe stuff can apply outside of the universe.

Evolution isn't only a hoax. It's sheer stupidity.

As far as your Bible links go, God is owner of everything. And it is He that commanded. The fact that God allows people to do things that are wrong and evil, and then tries to work with them on making things better, shows the loving freedom He offers. But He only stands the evil just so long.

However, did you notice that I said Bible NT? Your sites are essentially Bible OT, for Ancient Israel. So it is you who are trying to corrupt things by not sticking to the truth of Bible "sweet and joy" for people of the modern world.



P.S.  Thanks, Spendy, for backing me up on this.

If you limit God to having a cause or being random, you are essentially stating that you know way more than all of science will be able to find out over the next thousand years.

because religious societies grow naturally atheist ones like usa or communist russia dont grow naturally and dont work for the long term naturally,

usa is dependent on immigrants that are becoming highly offensive

A close and small object (like sun) at 3000 miles altitude can not explain equinoxes.
Research it!

^^^ I'm not ignoring anything you absolute twat. Images taken with a fisheye lense are proof you're a fucking retard or a shill, that shit isn't science goofy. You should have the steel wire the astronauts are hanging from wrapped around your neck with one end tied to the back of a truck.

^^^ Let me show you how silly your logic is. Your logic essentially says that everybody should get broken bones and bleed when only a few of them get shot.

The only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. Everybody knows Christ/God during the time in the womb. If any of them reject their salvation, be it in the womb or out of it, why should they be saved when they reject?

You have been given in the past, and are being given right now, the chance to be saved... to accept Jesus salvation, the only way to be saved. It would be unfair to everyone to save those people who don't accept Jesus salvation.

I mean, if you go to the store and buy strawberries, but some other guy goes to the store and buys peaches, should you get the peach flavor when you eat the strawberries? Wouldn't it be way more logical for you to get what you asked-for/purchased/ate, the strawberry flavor?

Your whole way of thinking doesn't fit with nature and physics. In other words, your personal religion doesn't fit with science.

^^^ However, all Muslims agree that there is only ONE Koran. If they don't want to do what it says, are they really Muslim?

If the Koran was all sweet and joy like the Bible NT is, okay let it exist. But since it is full of violence here and there, be warned about the Muslims. You might think you know them, but they could be lying just like their holy writings to tell them to, when they are talking to non-Muslims.

^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.

Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.

So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.

God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?

There's a famous quote stating that "nature abhors a vacuum", oddly enough its author is credited (by the perpetrators of the globe hoax) with discovering outer space IIRC.

A vacuum is forbidden, it does not and can not exist. You can remove all the atomic matter but aether is the finest possible material and it can't be removed, the lowest possible state is non-zero.

Yes he could have but then we would be slaves.

Why Does God Allow Evil?

It would be useful to include in your critique, other human myth systems besides religion. Otherwise, you would convince people to leave religion, and they would simply be sucked into the next convenient quasi-religion they encounter.

Like Climate Change.

Or has that became a religion? I don't keep up...

I can see why rules must be in place to limit infidelity and preserve the stability of the family unit and ultimately society at large. I can see why the options for such rules in primitive tribal time would be very limited.

I can also see the logic in establishing the precedent that drawing closer to God entails increasing perfection. Perfection in thought, perfection in action, and ultimately perfection in form.

So yes I think those passages were a logical means of stabilizing early societies and leading towards long term prosperity. Do I think we should execute people via stoning or forbid the very sick and deformed from entering churches today of course not. 

^^^ God tells us in the Bible that He did creation in a very non-random way. No random. So, even if you don't believe in the Bible, random is just a guess.

It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.

What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.

Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

^^^ The other side of that is that good religions should spread their info, just to combat the evil ones. In the case of spreading Christianity, salvation will result for some people who hear.

The ultimate argument that God does or does not exist would be whether a God would create Badecker.