Did I miss something? I see the WAGERR I bought in my dashboard. How do I get them to a wallet or is that possible yet?
The dashboard is your temporary wallet right now. Don't use the demo one. Wait, not too long until the real wallet turns up and surprises you. Anyone who needs to flip their Wagerr for urgent money can go to Waves. Remember to practice the fullest security! The lengthiest password and 2F. Only transfer to Wave the amount you are willing to sell only. They do not have 2fa. So if you are keylogged you are screwed. |
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No clue why you think sonm is really going for 10x ico price.
Happens to every coin.
How you mean? Didn't get this part. Start at top and drop down. Every exchange debut it is like this. That is how the high gets set. Ok, gotchya. My point there was that people were asking even much more in liqui, but whatever. Take a look at how it is now, do you think it is gonna hit back the ico price just because it will be in bittrex? TYPE DATE PRICE, BTC AMOUNT, SNM TOTAL, BTC
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:10 0.00002934 69.76506283 0.00204691
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:09 0.00002937 73.23066795 0.00215078
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:09 0.00002937 182.85832703 0.00537055
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002937 100.77315128 0.00295971
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002939 256.08899498 0.00752646
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002939 743.91100502 0.02186354
Sell June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002937 212.27347920 0.00623447
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002937 430.86437454 0.01265449
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002937 112.53713745 0.00330522
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002935 509.47690789 0.01495315
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002935 45.18735466 0.00132625
Buy June 29, 2017, 02:08 0.00002934 332.79860000 0.00976431 Yes, I believe so. Liqui.io is notorious for underpricing every coin in existence. It only evens out after arbitrage kicks in. Not sure if you know but liqui.io was trading for almost 2x ico until Bittrex never show up. Like you I am irked by the mishandle of ico token allocation and how long it is taking. Let's see what happens. Statistically speaking the chance of you making money is high. Go to icostats.com for examples. |
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No clue why you think sonm is really going for 10x ico price.
Happens to every coin.
How you mean? Didn't get this part. Start at top and drop down. Every exchange debut it is like this. That is how the high gets set. |
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I just said I thought it was not expensive because I believed this project was something, silly me. And, if you noticed it was at 1 dollar at the beginning in Liqui. That guy was offering the tokens with SebastianJu, who posted there, a trusted escrow.
Yea. You are definitely new. Starting price on any exchange is always retarded and gets pushed down to something more sensible fairly fast. The amount that gets traded at a high price is very small quantity before it equalizes. I would not even pay attention to it. No clue why you think sonm is really going for 10x ico price. Happens to every coin. |
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I think it's underpriced. They sold all coins in 1 day and they collected less than most of other ICO's. They could get more coins if they don't put hardcap on it. I hope the price will rise in exchanges, people have very big interest to Primalbase.
They really had a good ICO and one thing i really do not understand about their project is that why do you need a token for a distributed work space and how does that work,i am not fully aware of all these new ICO's as some of them confuses me. They also said to open an office in New York, Manhattan. Not sure how they are going to do that since offices are worth more than what was raised in the ICO itself. |
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This coin is borderline dead due to 1 retarded whale who always put up 10k sellwalls 24/7 to showoff LOL.
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Thirty million (30,000,000) (30%) (the “OAX for Additional Token Sales”, or “OAX for ATS”) - Reserved for one or more subsequent offerings to the public on later
dates as Additional Token Sales (“ATS”), the proceeds of which will be
deployed on system scale up and production developments.
These are subject to a lock-up for 1 year from Token Launch. Lock-up for a year is huge in cryptocurrency land...might want to rethink this. |
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Whales are exploiting distribution problems, as well as people who want to join and missed the ICO, I have bought some today, just watch it when it is on bittrex.
I agree this is the problem. Once Bittrex gets onboard then we should be an increase. Right now there are too many token holders with too little outlet to sustain anything high. I do think SONM is doing a terrible job with distribution. It been almost 2 weeks and they still trying to sort through the mess. |
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Pretty sure it is like that for all ICOs else people will ask for refund anytime the price drops below ICO price. But if you have preico tokens I am sure they will refund you your ETH.
What you want is the bonus to be corrected, if there is any.
Nah, I wouldn't buy this. It is being sold right now at +/- 3000 satoshi in Liqui, it is just a matter of going there to "average" down the price we paid if one wants to hodl. I just wanted my BTC back, this company is not going anywhere, too much greed, disrespect and lack of skills. Everybody is dumping it that low because they saw the fiasco this ICO was, just the truth. Pre-ICO can still have profit selling as low as 2000 sat, yes, but they could have created a resistance around ICO price, they didn't. Wait for the bounty tokens... hope is speculators will pump it so we can get out, but time it well. I knew they wouldn't refund, as I know they won't correct the investment, not trustworthy at all. Bottom line is that they don't give a fuck since they have their 40 millions and we can't do anything, at least they think. Is this your first ICO? There is no such thing as a refund in ICOs due to unhappy purchase. For good reasons. Slippery slope for mass refund. It doesn't matter if everyone is dumping. Things will get straighten out. Most ICO eventually make money from ICO. |
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Maybe it is a language barrier. There are many people who have received their bonuses. Maybe he meant they are trying to make 1 batch to correct the rest.
I will be happy to ask him and confirm.
Thank you, but it would be much better to have a refund at this point. Sorry buyers remorse isn't covered. You will not receive a refund. Yeah of course not, that was all expected. Nor will I have any correction in my investment, that's all clear judging by the greed and "fucks given" of people running this. Pretty sure it is like that for all ICOs else people will ask for refund anytime the price drops below ICO price. But if you have preico tokens I am sure they will refund you your ETH. What you want is the bonus to be corrected, if there is any. |
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The activity on the buy is down to like nothing at the moment. Is there any plans to close early?  |
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Almeida is just too stupid to do math. He/She want only a fast ROI to get into another ico but sonm is long term hold and he/she stuck with sonm and he/she mad about it.
Probably. He is using coinmarketcap as a comparison without realizing that coinmarketcap is a weighted aggregation of the coin's price for all Exchanges that they track the coins on, which makes it one of the shittest site to use. But when you changed the BTC it only uses Shapeshift's conversion rate given at that time. Not true at all before, now yes, I just want to get rid of this token. I see desperation in you both attacking me at all costs, sorry but I'm not the one dumping the token in exchanges for 3000/2800 satoshi, I wish Santa had given me the gift of 4x more tokens!! You dz know very well that all this info was not available, not in whitepaper, nor in their website. Maybe it was my mistake? Maybe, stress leads to mistake, but I didn't see it anywhere, care to point it here (maybe you made confusion with page 17, item 3.6 of their wp)? I just saw an exchange rate, don't be silly saying it is obvious if you look at the source code, no one is forced to do that. You are stretching your argument to defend it because you got a stake on it, understandable. But price is price, they tried to be clever with all the api and smart contracts and fucked up, period. And yes, of course I'm aware that coinmarketcap is an aggregation, that's why I used it to be fair with my request and believe me, even with that I got less tokens than it should have been. I sent one email with a wrong calculation, could that have been the reason why they are not giving a shit? I don't think so because they never read my email, they replied with standard instructions to add the tokens to my ether wallet, lol. But nevermind, hold 'n hope, that's all you can do now. LOL. I do have a stake in this coin. No that isn't the reason why I attacked you. You were being confused on how something very simple is calculated. I corrected it. If SONM scammed you by all means attack them. I will not partake into that conversion as I first said -- anyone is right to demand what they are owed. Just make sure you double-check all your calculation and conclude that is what you are owed. |
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Almeida is just too stupid to do math. He/She want only a fast ROI to get into another ico but sonm is long term hold and he/she stuck with sonm and he/she mad about it.
Probably. He is using coinmarketcap as a comparison without realizing that coinmarketcap is a weighted aggregation of the coin's price for all Exchanges that they track the coins on, which makes it one of the shittest site to use. But when you changed the BTC it only uses Shapeshift's conversion rate given at that time. |
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so this is over. nothing will happen here. and all what investors got are worthless tokens.
Well, after posting everywhere finally the Alexey guy came to slack to say, basically, I was wrong, without not even reading my email and the explanations. He just said " exchange rates can't be wrong" and disconnected. Great respect for the community. It is so obvious they sent me less tokens, either using the timestamp of my transaction in BTC blockchain, or using the time they themselves processed my transaction. All of this is in the unchangeable blockchain, can't be fooled. So tell me, what's the difference between this and a scam? Delivering partially is also a scam (you sell 10 but deliver 7), changing the rules of the game after people put money in is also scam, or not? Showing in their website 1 USD = 9 SNM then giving you much less. Take a look at their website now: https://ico.sonm.io/See that there is showing 1 USD = 10 SNM, right? Suppose the ICO was now, you send 2000 usd in BTC, how many SNM tokens do you expect to get? 10 x 2000 = 20,000, can't be clearer than this. But no, they give you 15,000. Lol, tell me how possibly can this be correct? What a shady ICO. That's utter bullshit. What "exchange rates" does he refer to?? I've been monitoring the ETH/BTC rate on Kraken since the very first to the 6th confirmation of my BTC transaction, and it's always remained below 0.14. Based on the SNM I received, a rate of 0.1432 was applied instead, that means a loss of more than 2%. And I got obviously no bonus at all, even though the ICO was then between 40-50%, so a 5% bonus was due. Furthermore, hiding and question dodging are totally disrespectful to people who trusted and invested their coins in this project. That's just disgraceful.  That's the question. One cannot tell what the hell they did. Which exchanges did they use to begin with? They disagree with prices in http://coinmarketcap.com/Why show a rate in dollars if they want to use another thing? BTC/ETH? Even in this case I couldn't figure out which exchange rate they used to give me far lower SNM, in my case at least 13,000 in second investment, simply makes no sense. The sonm_community guy went through with me and agreed, but to no avail. They made a huge confusion and screwed up the calculations, but don't want to admit it and fix it. IF they put a price 1usd = 8SNM, they ought to deliver it, otherwise is just misleading. If they disagree, give the money back, it is very simple. You're clearly the smart one. LOL. Its right there in the page source. I bold it for you since you are too stupid. They are getting the USD rate from etherscan.io's API -- see below. As for the BTC/ETH conversion rate - they do the conversion using Shapeshift. Shapeshift has an API for this. They literally said that they are doing using shapeshift so obviously the rates were provided for Shapeshift. Whatever they get back from shapeshift side, they just take the eths received from you and multiple it by 2824 then any applicable bonus (which i'm aware was the only part that was miscalculated). If you want guaranteed rate of 1 ETH = 2842 SNM, send ETH next time. No buts or what if as the rate of btc/eth does move. Obviously. Not obvious enough. 1 USD = <span id=" usdRate">7</span> SNM $(document).ready(function () { function renewRates() { var etherscanUrl = ' https://api.etherscan.io/api?module=stats&action=ethprice&apikey=YourApiKeyToken'; var etherCap = 117337; var tokensAmount = 331360000; $.ajax({ url: etherscanUrl, success: function (data) { var ethusd = data.result.ethusd; var usdCap = etherCap * ethusd; var usdCapMln = Math.round(usdCap * 0.000001); var usdRate = Math.round(tokensAmount / usdCap); $('#usdCap').text(usdCapMln); $('# usdRate').text(usdRate); } }) } |
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I am not going to respond to the scam accusation because I don't know shit about that situation. But for the website, I thought it was pretty obvious it is a script calculating this dynamically. This should been obvious to any investors who had a brain.
The website calculates the current price of current price of ETH relative to SNM. Right now ETH is around $295. It shows 1 USD = 10 SNM
1ETH = 2824 SNM
$295 / 2824 = 10.6 cent per SNM or ~1 USD per 10 SNM by multiplying by 10.
Everything on the ICO page is correct and adjusted dynamically according to the price of ETH, which been swinging as of late. Find some other petty shit to bitch about. This isn't a fight you will win.
You are defeated by your own logic, moron. No one said it was not dynamic, I said one should get the exchange rate showing when investment was sent, duh. Don't you have something better to do than to try to harm people for nothing? Douche. Hey dipshit. How do you get the exchange rate when its sent when it doesn't require you to login? The exchange rate is right there -- 1 ETH = 2824 SNM excluding bonus. This does not change regardless on how ETH USD fluctuate. What the fuck is the issue? Where did they rip you off? |
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so this is over. nothing will happen here. and all what investors got are worthless tokens.
Well, after posting everywhere finally the Alexey guy came to slack to say, basically, I was wrong, without not even reading my email and the explanations. He just said "exchange rates can't be wrong" and disconnected. Great respect for the community. It is so obvious they sent me less tokens, either using the timestamp of my transaction in BTC blockchain, or using the time they themselves processed my transaction. All of this is in the unchangeable blockchain, can't be fooled. So tell me, what's the difference between this and a scam? Delivering partially is also a scam (you sell 10 but deliver 7), changing the rules of the game after people put money in is also scam, or not? Showing in their website 1 USD = 9 SNM then giving you much less. Take a look at their website now: https://ico.sonm.io/See that there is showing 1 USD = 10 SNM, right? Suppose the ICO was now, you send 2000 usd in BTC, how many SNM tokens do you expect to get? 10 x 2000 = 20,000, can't be clearer than this. But no, they give you 15,000. Lol, tell me how possibly can this be correct? What a shady ICO. I am not going to respond to the scam accusation because I don't know shit about that situation. But for the website, I thought it was pretty obvious it is a script calculating this dynamically. This should been obvious to any investors who had a brain. The website calculates the current price of current price of ETH relative to SNM. Right now ETH is around $295. It shows 1 USD = 10 SNM 1ETH = 2824 SNM $295 / 2824 = 10.6 cent per SNM or ~1 USD per 10 SNM by multiplying by 10. Everything on the ICO page is correct and adjusted dynamically according to the price of ETH, which been swinging as of late. Find some other petty shit to bitch about. This isn't a fight you will win. |
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You asked. So here is the answer - to ride out the ETH drop. You will want to kill Bancor and liquidate it into a FIAT ideally or USDT.
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I just logged into my Wagerr dashboard and bonuses for rounds 1 through 100 have been added!!! Nice work Wagerr Team. I am a happy ICO investor. Hope to see Wagerr listed on Bittrex and other large exchanges.
I guess I misunderstood the bonus section. I bought a big chunk of WGR and only got 1 raffle ticket. I guess you had to make multiple 1,001 wager purchases in order to get multiple tickets? Oh well.... As much as I feel bad for gambling addicts I sure hope they make me rich off this ICO Pretty sure each round after a certain round you get only 1 ticket per. |
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All funds are backed 1:1 with crypto and fiat currencies, ensuring liquidity in the network at all times. What do you mean by this? |
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can someone post a good explanation on why BNT is sinking every day?
It's because there is a flaw in the Bancor model and it's allowing the whales to game the system & take profits. Whales are buying at the exchange and selling to the contract small bit by bit due to the price discrepancy. This drop will continue till the 120k ETH floor is completely gone. Then nobody knows what will happen. BNT can go into a free fall and never recover or it can start rising again. Nobody knows for sure because nobody can predict the market. It is not a flaw. This is how Bancor model works. Arbitrage is supposed to even out the discrepancy between the exchanges and the smart contract. One things I do not understand is why they are doing it bit by bit. That part puzzles me. That 120k ETH floor is the flaw. There is a huge incentive for the whales to crash the exchange price below 0.01 ETH and keep buying cheap BNT to sell to the contract because they know the contract price cannot go below 0.01 ETH. Any whale can put up a huge sell wall at 0.01 ETH to make sure the price doesn't go over that while they stock up on BNT. I feel this is just the beginning, the worst is yet to come. Haha, pretty funny how you just gave an example on how the floor gave whales reason to keep the price artificially low to profit when the floor is supposed to keep the price of BNT above a certain level. |
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