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As far as I remember (though I'm not 100% sure), Vitalik was demanding to be paid in Bitcoin only. Some 3.5 - 4 years ago he created Ethereum and again wanted to be paid with BTC. After a while he sold 25% of his tokens in order to diversify (I never said it was a bad decision, it was his right to do so), and now he's openly admitting that he never fully trusted digital currencies. You don't need to be Einstein to think that the future of digital currencies is uncertain, right? Have you seen some car manufacturer to say that "you may die in one of our cars"? No. They will only tell you to drive safely (pretty much like the advise most of the people are giving here - don't invest more than you can afford to lose).
People said it long time ago: Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Because if it weren't digital currencies, then Vitalik would be probably only a high paid employee in some good company and not in Fortune's 40 under 40 list.
If you don't see the hypocrisy in his statement, then I don't know what else to say.
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Yes I did F A G G O T. This forum is full of BTC gays posting against Ethereum trying to stop people from switching from Bitcoin to ethereum or drive the eth price down.
I'm also gay in real life. Would you like to come and give me a hug? I really need one! EDIT: And yeah... price of ETH since I posted this thread went down from $339 to.... $339. I bought back and now I have enough money to buy an Airbus A380. Are you sure that you are not Mindlesscache, or his friend mining1, bitch? NO. You don't need a hug, but a swift kick in the ass for posting logically challenged arguments based on misread tweets--I have no problem with you criticizing ETH, but at least get up, get the argument right, and stop wasting everyone's time. This answer is only to point out I saw your reply. If you think I'm misleading people and wasting their time - /thread. If you want to give me a kick in the ass - be my guest, forum Rambo. This is my last answer to you. |
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Yes I did F A G G O T. This forum is full of BTC gays posting against Ethereum trying to stop people from switching from Bitcoin to ethereum or drive the eth price down.
I'm also gay in real life. Would you like to come and give me a hug? I really need one! EDIT: And yeah... price of ETH since I posted this thread went down from $339 to.... $339. I bought back and now I have enough money to buy an Airbus A380. Are you sure that you are not Mindlesscache, or his friend mining1, bitch? |
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HE OPENLY ADMITS THAT BITCOIN IS DOGSHIT COMPARED WITH ETHEREUM. Bitcoin people Is scared about the fact that ETHEREUM IS ABOUT TO KICK THEIR ASS
See Spartak, this is what the tweet implies, or according to your title, that VBUT created Bitcoin--be dumb or misleading on your own time. That's a normal response from a ETH "believer". Calling Bitcoin dogshit is enough, no?  Dont put all your ego coins into what people think of you in some internet forum. Diversify into things you believe are worth it outside of a hidden discussion forum, just like you should never bet all your worth into one sector known to be volatile (not just the tech, but in peoples minds, such as evidenced in this topic).
We're not talking about my ego. I did not raised millions of $, nor I'm leading a multibillion project. I'm just a guy in some internet forum. After I said Eth was stupid, you're asserting that I'm an ETH believer? What I'm asserting (dumbass) is that your quotation of the VBUT salesman, in all his rational (though not to his own product) glory, is that you misread his statement, committed some logical fallacies, and that you are linguistically challenged--feel free to spin that  Did you said that Bitcoin is dogshit, DUMBASS? And I don't have to spin anything, because I owe nothing to anyone here. Vitalik on the other hand is obliged to build confidence to the masses who made him rich and able to "diversify in real estates". |
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HE OPENLY ADMITS THAT BITCOIN IS DOGSHIT COMPARED WITH ETHEREUM. Bitcoin people Is scared about the fact that ETHEREUM IS ABOUT TO KICK THEIR ASS
See Spartak, this is what the tweet implies, or according to your title, that VBUT created Bitcoin--be dumb or misleading on your own time. That's a normal response from a ETH "believer". Calling Bitcoin dogshit is enough, no? Dont put all your ego coins into what people think of you in some internet forum. Diversify into things you believe are worth it outside of a hidden discussion forum, just like you should never bet all your worth into one sector known to be volatile (not just the tech, but in peoples minds, such as evidenced in this topic).
We're not talking about my ego. I did not raised millions of $, nor I'm leading a multibillion project. I'm just a guy in some internet forum. |
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BUT, the quotation you provided doesn't say what you assert in your thread title or the subsequent argumentation--being honest is hard work even for the "good guys".
He said that he "never had 100% confidence in cryptocurrency as a sector". What more do you want? Ethereum is in this sector and he just said he raised millions for something, which he doesn't fully believe. Maybe when he sold 25% of his ETH at $5-$7 should have been enough as a signal, though I don't blame him at all... even if he sells ALL of his ETH. He created something revolutionary and deserves every penny he gets. But as I said - my respect to him just vanished. Back in school students were trained to use logic to ascertain the context and therefor the meaning of what was said.
The first part of the context is pre-phrased by the question 'will you cash out' meaning unloading one singular current position into another, ' into bitcoin' meaning bitcoin. The second part of the context is to whom the question was made to. In this case Mr. Ethereum himself.
The unbiased mind will read the question and understand from the answer that he was asked if he would diversify from ethereum to bitcoin, to which he replied he was only interested in diversifying from his current position (Ethereum) into other sure things - not bitcoin - such as the examples he gave.
The answer was a pun to bitcoin. It is implicit that he is already invested in Ethereum therefor an intelligent reader would not expect him to say "ethereum".
You people were or are students and I believe you have the basic capacity to analyze intelligently. That being said, judgement can be clouded or misdirected by personal beliefs or personal exposure to one or more sides.
So you are basically saying that I'm not analyzing intelligently? Maybe I should go back to school. or maybe some "leaders" should learn that there are certain things that you simply don't say. |
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Unless you are asserting VBUT is Satoshi, then your assertion that he doesn't trust His creation needs more proof than the tweet you provided. IE. not trusting the cc world 100% is pretty on point given the world we live in and diversifying--given the percentage of CC he owns of his own product--would take on the forms he listed--this is low, even for you Spartak (out of context pitchfork rattlin' at its finest/saddest). I think ETH is stupid given that it doesn't act in the decentralized fashion it is advertised as--so ETH lovers can hate me too Nothing is low enough, when trying to point (for the 100th time) that Ethereum is a pure bullshit, which is controlled by one of the biggest whales on the market. Low was to raise more than $170 Million and to bail out after a month. Bad thing is that if Ethereum FAIL, then nothing good can be expected. Even Bitcoin suffered bad from the DAO failure and I don't want to think what may happen with altcoins, which are far weaker. |
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Having doubts in your project along the way is natural every entrepreneur has that. But saying it in public is PR suicide...
Holy shit... I can't believe my eyes! Some people can actually think! |
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My God... one can see why so many shitcoins are overpriced. People said it long time ago: Two things are certain - death and taxes. We do not need such discussions. Would you put your money in a bank, which tells to people it is possible to be robbed? Or to buy a house in a place, where it is possible to have a 8.0 or greater earthquake? True leaders knows about possible failures, but they do not speak about them! Discussing possible flaws in a system is one thing, telling to people "it might fail" is another.
Can you guys grasp my point now?
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Well, he said he would go to fiat if he wanted to diversify, he didn't say he really wants to do that. And I thought it's a fact he has 10% of his money in bitcoin anyway. As for him saying that he is uncertain in crypto-currency sector, perhaps he meant natural uncertainty in everything new and virtual we have in this world, not that he doesn't believe in eth or btc. Let's just not forget that he's Russian and Russia is a very traditionalist state. He is inclined not to trust innovations because that what he was told while growing, that is how he was educated. For people from Western countries it's just hard to understand it, because traditional values are opposite to Western innovative ones.
And I am Bulgarian and I can also speak Russian. But this doesn't stop me to call his tweets a pure bullshit! Sometimes you have to think twice, before saying something, especially if you are a leader of something huge! |
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No way to make it right for some people.
Would Vitalik say: I deeply believe into cryptos and ETH, the same people here would be upset and puke the same shit in here.
You may believe in god.
But noone can believe for 100% into cryptos.
Too much things can happen the next 5, 10, 30 years. Who cuts this out might be everything, but not serious.
True words from Vitalik, but the shitheads here can't understand that.
Leaves me not surprised...
I was a shithead, a) when I warned people about The DAO about a week before the attack. b) when I said Razormind is a scam, which (eventually) raised 6139 BTC. c) when the IRS contacted me regarding other scams. d) because I'm part of the fucking FAILCommunity and FAILCoin. e) because I refused to be a part of number of projects, which could have turned me into a multimillionaire. f) because I'm not changing my stance, unlike ETH shills in here. Yes, I am a shithead, who just likes to express his opinion and a shithead with a passion for digital currencies. |
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This proves fact once more, that majority is here only for the money.
I see nothing wrong here! That's like to work and expect to receive a salary. But there's a "tiny" difference. You see, most people here refuse to believe that they may become rich, without screwing around with others. We are "veterans in something, which became a revolution" (and I strongly believe it will continue to do so). It's currently a bubble, because it will eventually reach a bottom/top and digital currencies will be much more stable, but until then everyone can make a lot of money. But no, they prefer to play with the coin of the day, until everything eventually crashes. This is nothing new for me, i was aware when he cashed out more than 30k of ETH and all this under 5$. Amazing and people still belive in ETH more than Vitalik.
Do you know what's funny here? https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/866252675607822336Mindlesscache and his alt mining1 keep asking me how much I "lost" by not buying ETH and I decided to ask Vitalik how much he "lost". They/he never answered, because that's their "tactic" - to worship ETH no matter what (even that they/he were proved stupid beyond imagine). |
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Top fact: Spartak_nt still lives out his moms basement. He admitted as much last year.
I actually own 2 apartments and am working at AT&T. Care to share what do you do for a living (though yours can't be called life)? |
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developers who don't even invest in their own project by buying it or mining it like the rest of us on even grounds are not to be trusted. because they don't care about their own project enough to do anything about it.
You're right, but this wasn't my main point. When you have 10s of billions $ invested in something you created, then at least you can do is not telling people you don't trust the system. Future is uncertain and digital currencies may fail and evolve into something else, but people are buying these crap and you must stand 101% behind your project, no matter what happens. Investors can call this stupidity, I call it guts. You must have the balls to fight in order not to fail people who trusted you. But no... lets buy some moar boats and bitches, while we can, and fuck the future. Vitalik is a genius (no question about it), but these are the words of a 23-year boy. I'm counting the days, until he step down from Ethereum as I'm 99.9% sure this will happen. The best way to invest is diversify. This applies even to crypto/non-crypto assets, so the guy is completely right.
Good point, but you don't say this to people. Can you tell me in what he will diversify if it wasn't Bitcoin or Ethereum? His words are the words of a hypocrite who says: "I already made millions, so I can buy houses, instead holding Ethereum or Bitcoin.". |
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That's right, folks. This is the difference between people like Charlie Lee, who left their job to focus on their creation and people like Buterin who "diversify" in boats and bitches. He just used other words such as "fiat", "real estate" etc.. What happened with "welcome to the beginning"? Many of you (at least I'd like to think so) are happy if they manage to sell 10 ETH (or BTC, or whatever) and buy back 11, while people like Vitalik are "diversifying" in something else. If you think that guys who are taking your money to fund their projects have the right not to believe in their creations, then you are free to call me a troll. The guy is already a millionaire in fiat and he's set for life, so he can easily afford an ETH/BTC/whatever failure, but no... he is "diversifying" in boats and bitches. What a hypocrite............. My respect to this guy just vanished.  Source: https://twitter.com/CryptoChrisG/status/877667235795419137 |
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Remember your sick trolling has cost genuine hard working posters here at least $100,000 and a mortgage free life. You Spoetniktard and your sick sockie sidekick Spartak_nt are the real frauds.
LMFAO, Mindlesscache is considering himself as a "hard working poster"! I'm no one "sockie", bitch! Trolling me will never prove your point and I will always happily bash you down to the ground. |
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They are just trying to talk down the price so that they can buy in cheap. Don't let them.
Of course. Two people's opinions are controlling a market with over $1.25 Billion in daily trade volume. I once told you I think your IQ equals a room temperature, but now I'm starting to believe its even lower. |
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I'll be buying some beer and popcorn, because an EPIC dump is incoming and ETH shills will learn their lessons... in the hard way... Bad thing is that many alts will probably suffer, but it is what it is...
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Bittrex just fixed their issues and you can now deposit/withdraw.
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Lllllllllllleeeeet's get ready to.... FAIL!
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