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1801  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-27] Only 33% of Bitcoin Payments Used to Purchase Goods, Economic Value on: July 29, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
I definitely agree with how BTCPay is better in every way and combats gateway centralization, but there are some factors to take into consideration;

# you need a server of yourself to run it or use something like azure, and it requires some level of technical understanding.
# you have to store your coins yourself, and you have to convert your coins to fiat yourself as merchant, which increases the risk of losing value in the process.

A bit of API programming (with the merchant's exchange) deals with the custody aspect, and alot of webshops include a web programmer as a part of the team these days anyway (alot of former web programmers open web based commerce sites as they know they can outcompete businesses without in-house web programmers)

And think of it another way; it's only very independent minded web-store owners that are likely to commit to BTC long-term anyhow. The convergence of that characteristic with people that could and would do the necessary work to use BTC pay is probably pretty high.
1802  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-27] Only 33% of Bitcoin Payments Used to Purchase Goods, Economic Value on: July 29, 2018, 03:07:32 PM
If BitPay didn't mess up and start charging extra fees for using Bitcoin as payment option, people would be more willing to spend their coins.

You're forgetting: Bitpay are less relevant as a result. Lots of businesses started using alternatives to bitpay when they started to add friction to BTC payments. Add to the trend; stop using bitpay, and there won't be anything much to talk about (BTCpay protocol will ultimately dominate payments market I believe, it's the apolitical code-only alternative, as it enables maximum merchant choice)
1803  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: The buttcoin reddit on: July 29, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
but you would sell your BTC for 100.000 to a "useless institution"? In fact, pension funds, hedge funds, etc are not useless, but whatever...

I really liked that meme, as I can feel this contradiction.

Anyone who ever said that Bitcoin can replace investment institutions doesn't even understand the most basic facts. Hedge funds, for instance, might be uniquely placed to kick off the first serious blow in a cryptocurrency financial "war": if a serious economic depression left such institutions as the only ones surviving with any capital, they could protect their assets (and their shareholders) by keeping substantial amounts of BTC as reserves, then simply refusing any asset appropriation orders made by courts or statutes.

The fact is that whether it's official or not, trade in Bitcoin by financial institutions will be the beginning of the end for central bank currencies. These institutions are the living embodiment of private sovereignty, and if given he opportunity to take more sovereignty, they will take it. We can safely assume that they're pushing pretty hard for a legal argument to be legally able to hold and trade BTC, and that they're determined to get the timing just right so that they can accumulate as much as possible before that happens (as that event will of course send BTC very high in the short term)

None of the above alters the fact that banks and governments will be screwed in such a situation, which is what anyone sensible has been saying will be the most significant effect of a cryptocurrency dominant world. Stocks, shares and property are valuable assets in just about any economic climate. Debt and currency issuance are very precarious when an entire monetary system is changed.
1804  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] G20 Eyes October Deadline for Crypto Anti-Money Laundering Standard on: July 28, 2018, 06:16:41 PM
Hehehe it is better to overshoot estimates than to undershoot them to avoid disappointment. Also, there might be unforseen instances of politics being in the way for its activation. Jihan might want to keep delaying bitcoin's development to give his bitcoin cash an advantage.

3 years is still on the long end of possible estimates, even assuming what you're saying above
1805  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-26] Rolling Stone - Brock Pierce the hippie king of crypto on: July 28, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
*ahem*

Brock Pierce, Paedophile king of crypto


Rolling Stone magazine - shame on you for giving this low-life coverage (he's done ZERO in cryptocurrency, is that the story?)

gentlemand, you've been on bitcointalk.org long enough to know about Brock Pierce, what's your excuse to help perpetuate this scumbag?
1806  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-27]Charlie Lee: Bitcoin to Gold, Litecoin to Silver and XRP to Diamonds on: July 27, 2018, 06:07:46 PM
One thing that I really disagree is Lee comparing XRP to diamond. I don't know what's his reasoning behind, I'm literally shaking my heads right now. LOL. XRP=Diamond? Really. hahaha.

The comparison actually works decently. Diamonds have no true market value, it's just an inflated value based on perceived value. If you buy a diamond for $10,000 you won't be able to sell it a couple years later for $12,000, hell you might not even be able to get $7,000 for it. There's no market value that you can judge a diamond. It really is similar to XRP, just something that has a fake value.

This demonstrates the value of popular culture as a vehicle for feeding public perception.

Diamonds have only ever had much value when they're large or unique, the smaller ones occur far too frequently in nature to be worth much on a supply/demand basis. But movie plots about stealing diamonds, or red-carpet walks (using borrowed diamond jewellery) have somehow convinced the public that diamonds are valuable, whereas actual jewelers do not agree (unless they're selling to you, not buying from you). Gold and silver are valuable to jewelers, not diamonds.
1807  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] G20 Eyes October Deadline for Crypto Anti-Money Laundering Standard on: July 27, 2018, 10:54:28 AM
I reckon it will take 3 or 4 more years before we can see an implementation worthy of another softfork for Schnorr, then another round of miners taking their time to signal that they're ready to fork because of politics. Maybe 5 or 6 years before we can enjoy optional privacy.

There's no reason to believe that. A draft for a Schnorr BIP was published a few weeks ago.
1808  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Should income tax be abolished? on: July 26, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
The bolded portion of your logic is false. The debt increases each year because the United States government is continuously taking on more debt in the form of government bonds. It is not unsafe or reckless for the government to do this, as its not like bonds are being defaulted on and the United States is accruing bad credit.

Also, a fun little tidbit: the US public is the majority holder of US Govt debt.

Well of course they can always pay back bonds if they just issue new bonds to pay the old bonds! If the Federal Reserve is creating the bonds in the first place, and they're the only people buying them, there's never going to be a problem repaying debt they owe to themself.

But that means everyone else who already holds that debt (the bonds) will sell before the US dollar loses too much value. And that's exactly what's going on in the market for US bonds: big holders have mostly sold them off. And the only solution is to either default on the Fed's debts to itself (which means the end of the institution that supposedly gives the dollar value), or just keep printing new dollars by issuing new bonds. Dollar loses more value. Repeat till hyperinflation.
1809  Other / Serious discussion / Re: [SMART] Europe introduces four new Galileo satellites on: July 26, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
EU are corrupt and undemocratic, and certainly shouldn't be trusted or supported.

Can you tell me which countries are not corrupted and can be trusted? Wink

No, there are probably none. The EU is simply worse than many others (and a step in the direction of centralised power, which is in principle anti-democratic).
1810  Other / Serious discussion / Re: [SMART] Europe introduces four new Galileo satellites on: July 26, 2018, 09:52:46 AM
Some sympathy for JetCash:

EU are corrupt and undemocratic, and certainly shouldn't be trusted or supported.


On the other hand:

Navigation satellites (and satellite tech in general) is very 1 way in bandwidth terms. Satellites can send alot of data throughput to earth, but there isn't much in the way of receiving capabilities (ask anyone who uses a satellite based internet connection, it's very poor). Even if this satellite constellation was equipped with cameras, there's not alot of activity that can be monitored with just 26 of them (although if the EU were to strategically combine their efforts with global satellite networks operated by the US, China or Russia, then they could increase overall global coverage).
1811  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Where do you draw the line, Freedom of Speech/Misinformation on: July 24, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
How does 2009 BTC fit into the freedom.  The libertarian community along with silk road and satoshi dice were the only reason IMO bitcoin made it out of the basement dwelleing nerd domain!

Imagine if groups of bankers, politicians and anti-gamblers etc had been able to stifle the free speech of those users, we may never have heard of BTC.  The model of free expression of value was completely against the "norm" of the time!  I personally found BTC from a fiat online poker forum I was into at the time, and after I figured out it wasn't the next internet scam (which was my first impression LOL) I was hooked.  If they had censored in anyway that information I would not have been here 5 years ago, who know's if or when I would have ended up here!

I admit that anti-vaccine, flat earth, chemtrail etc etc are vastly different that disruptive tech like BTC however the line must be such that legitimate innovation MUST NOT be stifled because illegitimate/agenda driven/trollingmotherfucking users are taking advantage of the situation.

Right.

I heard about Bitcoin in 2010, but dismissed it because Keynsian economics (which I'd learned as simply being the only economics) dismissed it. It was only because the tech sounded interesting that I checked it out again in 2011, and found threads here on Bitcointalk.org talking about Austrian economics and central banks being scammy etc. The latter completely changed my mind about the "conspiracy theory" topics, it's pretty obvious that the whole financial system (fiat banking inclusive) is just a massive scam. Seeing as the "free market" financial system is the basis of the entire Western world narrative, it changed my view of the world alot.

7 years later, this is my conclusion: alot of what gets labelled conspiracy theory is actively encouraged by the corporate/bank/intelligence uberclass as a kind of smokescreen. This is their weapon to make it very difficult to make an informed choice about what's true and what's false. They are likely manufacturing a whole range of fake and true stories using agents controlled by them, so that given a little passage of time, they can manipulate perception about anything (most Americans believe the Oliver Stone version of what happened in the JFK assassination, but one of the source materials for the screenplay of that movie went on to become a UFO person, despite the earlier JFK stuff being far more credible. Maybe this guy was a government agent paid to say something convincing about JFK in the 1980s, then screw his reputation in the 1990s by deliberately by switching to UFO craziness? Stranger things have happened in cases involving government agents)


Plato wrote about this in the year 2200 BC in The Allegory of the Cave, and Aristotle in his appraisal of the abuse of political power. If anyone really believes that Aristotle & Plato were nothing more than ancient Greek conspiracy nuts, maybe you'd believe anything if someone on TV wearing a suit and tie told you (i.e. the Stanley Milgram compliance experiments).
1812  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-21] CME Bitcoin Futures Daily Volume Spikes 93% in Q2 2018 on: July 24, 2018, 03:42:57 PM
Good use of futures is already being utilized by miners. They contractually up front sell you x number of coins for $7500 a pop, and the deal gets completed at the end of the contract term. That's how they hedge a steep decrease in price, but of course, it can also work against you if the price suddenly starts pumping. Either way, it offers miners at least a peace of mind.

Exactly, a real futures market.

What you're saying demonstrates the problem: the miners doing this must offer a lower price than the current market price for a future delivery contract. Otherwise, why buy at today's market price for something delivered next month, when you could buy for the market price today and receive it instantly? (this is a method for figuring out that ETF prices for any commodity are being manipulated, i.e. futures prices are higher than spot prices) This is the kind of dynamics you get in real futures markets that these BS Chicago exchanges are (at least superficially) missing.
1813  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] Coinbase Prime Snags a $20 Billion Institutional Investor on: July 24, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Anyone considered the possibility that Coinbase are lying, and that there is no mystery hedge fund? This is Coinbase after all, and they have many reasons to lie.
1814  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Will there be demonstrations against the UK visit of the ruler of Qatar? on: July 24, 2018, 11:40:55 AM
Even if they somehow stopped cooperating with Qatar in a way that their citizens wanted, they would work their way around it like they always do.
It's a corrupt bunch, that is very obvious to anyone who cares to look into it.

It is said "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"


Using technology/information and business monopolies, governments are getting closer than ever before to having absolute power. Please stop supporting them everybody, history will not judge you well.
1815  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-21] CME Bitcoin Futures Daily Volume Spikes 93% in Q2 2018 on: July 24, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
A lot of these investors shorted Bitcoin in the past and they lost millions.  Roll Eyes

That would demonstrate how dysfunctional these so-called "Bitcoin futures markets" are.

The whole point of futures markets is to buy contracts to deliver something at a future price, not today's price. Because the CME and CBOE don't sell contracts to deliver BTC, but the USD equivalent, the BTC price cannot affect the trading on these markets, or vice versa (except perhaps psychologically).

This strongly suggests that there is backroom dealing whereby BTC is delivered to some unnofficial (and undocumented) tier of these futures markets. Who would trade such contracts otherwise? What would be the point of putting up money for weeks and weeks that does nothing to influence the real BTC markets? That would be little different to putting money on a horse (and I think we all know these days that people with alot of money to bet on sporting events have a penchant for trying to meddle with the outcome so that they win their bet).

This whole concept of "trading BTC without touching the dirty BTC markets" is a complete joke, there's no way any real investor would really do something so crude, you may as well get yourself down to the roulette wheel and put everything on black, lol. And after all, these are Chicago-based markets Grin
1816  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: July 24, 2018, 09:27:04 AM
That debunks the Lightning critics' "conspiracy theory" that Blockstream wanted an off-chain layer to compete with the miners in collecting fees.

Quite alot of the 7829 satoshis here is profit, assuming that the Bosworth node opened the minimum number of channels to host 1.01351351 BTC of liquidity (i.e. each channel had the maximum 0.16777216 BTC per channel). If the original outputs used to open the channels were segwit outputs, and if the fees were rock bottom (that part is very likely), then profits are even more likely.

Pennies of profit though, lol!! (but still better than nothing for running a full-node, which is the status quo)


(note that it's impossible to have a conspiracy where the facts are publicly available, conspiracies are secret by definition. Labelling Lightning critics "conspiracy theorists" actually therefore makes you look uneducated)

Watch them criticize it again by propagandizing that "running a Lightning node should be incentivized".

Indeed, it's very telling how much effort they put into trash talking in comparison to how much they want to add supporting voices to alternative ideas to improve cryptocurrencies.
1817  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] G20 Eyes October Deadline for Crypto Anti-Money Laundering Standard on: July 24, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
I also reckon that the subject of fungibility will have more importance and will not be taken for granted as it is today in the cryptospace.

And the upcoming Schnorr signatures and Confidential Transactions technologies will close the fungibility chapter, more or less.

These people won't be able to fight the cryptocurrency system when that happens. And let's not forget that this is all a big joke anyway, what the G20 really want is for anyone who wants to evade taxes or make "bad" money appear "good" to have to go through their corruption system. Independents aren't allowed, but if you've got the money, these G20 politcians know how to wash it clean for you and who to ask (they know from experience). But cryptocurrency is too powerful a tool for their anti-laundering methods (aka their competition committee, lol) to ever make any difference.

Everyone can now have a Swiss bank account (Obama said it). Everyone can earn money tax free. Everyone can obscure where their money came from. And whether you (or the G20, or whoever) think that's good or bad is completely irrelevant.
1818  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Will there be demonstrations against the UK visit of the ruler of Qatar? on: July 22, 2018, 10:08:27 PM
Qatar is part of the cause of the problems. Will the protesters give the Emir an equivalent reception?

People can protest as much as they like, the UK government gangsters will not stop using your taxes to develop weapons and military tech that they will sell to countries like Qatar, and the UK will not stop Qatari imports (most significantly of which is probably oil). Business with government allies in the Middle East is too strategically important to listen to the opinions of the electorate.

Anyone remember how democracy is supposed to be about listening to the electing public? You tell them what you want and they give it to you? That's not what happens with Middle East issues. They won't listen when it screws up their deals (their deals, not your deals)
1819  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-20]JPMorgan Bets On Bitcoin, Five Other Cryptos to Survive Long Term on: July 20, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
Multinational banking giants JPMorgan Chase is betting on six cryptocurrencies: Bitcoin, Ethereum, Ripple, Dash, Cardano and Litecoin to survive in the long term.

Strange selection.

The design fundamentals for Ethereum & Dash are pretty terrible, it's amazing they've survived this long (Dash probably only because there's so little transaction activity to abuse).

Litecoin is going to lose any small utility is has on a far shorter timeframe once Lightning becomes more developed & popular.

Ripple doesn't really have much of a use case; it's essentially a SWIFT/ACH competitor, but any problems in SWIFT or ACH-like networks will cause fiat to become less stable, making Bitcoin compare far more attractively (people have mostly heard of Bitcoin, however unsure they are of it, you can't say that for Ripple).

And Monero's not on the list? Strange list (never looked at Cardano, anyone know something about it?)
1820  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: UK Writer Beaten to a BLOODY PULP With Hours of Releasing Pro-Trump Piece on: July 20, 2018, 12:39:17 PM
Sovereignty is much more related to act according to the interests of the population who lives there.

Can you explain this in more detail
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