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1801  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Sell 2.000.000 $ BTC-e , Sell 4800 BTC For WMZ on: March 18, 2016, 10:02:15 AM
Why not provide a signed message from the addresses holding your 4800BTC

Got that gut feeling you wont be able to for some reason.
1802  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 17, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
So you trade gold and silver for goods and services.

Gold did exist long before fiat and was used for trade previously.
1803  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 17, 2016, 07:04:24 PM
i mean in a distant future when travelling around the universe will be easy, gold will be dumped more easily because it will not be rare anymore

i was not talking about the first attempt at travelling on another solar to find more gold, that actually will increase the gold value at first

I think the development of practical quantum computers is more likely than zipping around the universe mining gold.

If that happens it could render encryption useless making bitcoin worthless.



it could render everything worthless, everything is secured by sha256, not that i think quantum computer wil pose a threat to sha256

Pretty sure my gold is not secured with sha256  Cheesy
1804  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 17, 2016, 05:25:57 PM
i mean in a distant future when travelling around the universe will be easy, gold will be dumped more easily because it will not be rare anymore

i was not talking about the first attempt at travelling on another solar to find more gold, that actually will increase the gold value at first

I think the development of practical quantum computers is more likely than zipping around the universe mining gold.

If that happens it could render encryption useless making bitcoin worthless.

1805  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 17, 2016, 12:27:52 PM
Because you can not create gold. As you can with diamonds and other stuff. All gold on earth was maid long time ago with big temperatures and massive pressure when earth was forming. And thats it. All other things can be created like cryptocurrencies example. So thats why is gold always on top! And will be in my opinion, and it should be.

Actually gold was not created on Earth through high temperatures and pressures.  

It was actually created in the center of a star when it went supernova.

so we must assume that in the other solar system there is plenty of gold?

when we get there one day, gold value will most likely to be dumped

Why would you spend multiple trillions of $ to travel interteller space to mine gold just to bring it home, crash the gold market and make it worthless lol

You need to rethink your argument.

If the thought of this prevents you investing in gold I am surprised you risk investing in bitcoin which i far more likely to be dumped in our lifetimes



Well, not necessarily. What if one day a big meteorite made of pure gold will hit the earth?  Smiley

But seriuosly gold is already losing its value. It's just the matter of time for people to realize that wearing golden watches or other golden jewelries is OUT. If gold will be valued only as precious metal and not as jewelry its price will drop dramatically.

Gold is actually up 17-20% year to date.


A lot of people on this forum obviously see gold as a threat to bitcoin for some reason.  Their arguments against it are weak at best or just made up.

 -It is not hard to buy gold.
 -It is not hard to sell gold.
 -It is not hard to store gold,  10BTC (which most here dont own) would buy you just this amount of gold -



 -Gold price is increasing due to global economic panic not decreasing.
 -Supply is limited - there will be no interstellar gold mining or pure gold asteroids any time soon.
 -Gold has proven itself to be a reliable store of wealth for 1000's of years and not just 7.
 -Gold lasts forever, you can bury some today then dig it up in 50 years and it will look the same.

All the above is based on fact and the experience of someone who actually owns a fair amount of it and not someone that just reads crap on the internet.

1806  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 16, 2016, 07:55:06 PM
Because you can not create gold. As you can with diamonds and other stuff. All gold on earth was maid long time ago with big temperatures and massive pressure when earth was forming. And thats it. All other things can be created like cryptocurrencies example. So thats why is gold always on top! And will be in my opinion, and it should be.

Actually gold was not created on Earth through high temperatures and pressures. 

It was actually created in the center of a star when it went supernova.
1807  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 16, 2016, 07:45:06 AM
The problem with Gold, as real as it is, is that most people would rather carry around slips of paper that represent gold promises, than the actual gold itself. There's also significant risk in securing/hiding it if you amase any reasonsable amount.

There is something called safe deposits box and people has been saving their gold for years in banks so there is actually no reason to say that it is hard to secure gold bar. It may not be as easy as securing bitcoin however it is still considered safe so far however the problem with gold will be that you cant really use it as a currency


You could just use gold impregnated notes :

http://valaurum.com/buy-aurum/





1808  Economy / Economics / Re: America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 on: March 13, 2016, 05:33:49 PM

Hahahaha xD

I like your reaction! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH if you think it gonna work then it's all good.
They gotta have some kind of Plan B nah?

Thats huge debt,19 trillion dollars? What would be the plan B? Possibly to declare War? Print more dollars or to increased more taxes? But we hope America can manage it as the have more capable and great leaders to solve it.

Strange how your last 2 presidents have clocked up the dept more than any others in history, Obama being the worst.

Still amazes me how people believe their "leaders" have all the answers and will fix all the problems.  Dont forget when it does all go tits up none of the ruling elite will go hungry but you may.

1809  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People mocking of me for using Bitcoin on: March 12, 2016, 05:29:04 PM
First they ignore/dismiss you.
Next, they ridicule/mock you.
After that, they fight you.
Then you win.



First they ignore/dismiss you.
Next, they ridicule/mock you.
After that, they fight you.
Then you win.
Then your wallet gets hacked and you loose the lot
Next, they ridicule/mock you.
After that, you fight them.
1810  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People mocking of me for using Bitcoin on: March 12, 2016, 05:27:39 PM
1811  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 12, 2016, 03:17:32 PM
Well bitcoin can has that vision to being a kind of gambling,but its vision is making it an investment option to maximize the income,some people changer the market stock to bitcoin has the reward are bigger and can happens in a short periods,playing forex its almost the same as be at bitcoin ,you need to choose to invest or not.Gold reached full potencial,almost all has gold the rings when you marry must be gold,people made gold be where it is currently,everywhere.As long as community keeps bitcoin alive it will be able to reach the same status as gold over the years.

I think you'll need a slightly larger community to take bitcoins market cap of $6,365,190,924 to gold's market cap of $7,365,293,450,306 (bitcoin's total market cap is 0.086% of gold's)
1812  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 12, 2016, 02:51:30 PM
Gold is stable once it's truth. But btc can multiply your goods one day it's a bit riscky but i prefer a btc's
only those people who are afraid to be rich are choosing gold. (Just think) because usually people who are risk takers will become richer
so I prefer bitcoin

Gamblers are risk takers, are they all rich?

Most bitcoin holders seem to fall in the catagory of "If I have 1 bitcoin will I be a millionaire in 5 years"

Bitcoin is nothing but a gamble at the moment.  There is money to be made in the short term but not 100% convinced on its long term survival.
1813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation on: March 12, 2016, 01:22:00 PM
Sold 1.6 million without escrow for 45 Bitcoin, PM me if you are interesting.

I like to live dangerously too.

I am a hero member and will honor my promise.

As a hero member you should know better than to ask someone to send you 45 bitcoin without Escrow.
1814  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 11, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
If you had to convert all your wealth to either Bitcoin or gold and keep it there for 10 years, which would you choose? Keep in mind the fact that Bitcoin has only been around for 5 years, and could be fundamentally different in any number of ways in 10 years.
of course i will choose gold,i will not take risk by convert all my wealth to something that have not certain future,have no certain price and not acceptable in every place,i will not do that Grin
if you just look at the investment in terms of security I think gold always be the right choice. but it's a big problem that will benefit you can earn in that time I would choose bitcoin. you know within a period of 7 years. bitcoin rose more than 1000%,  compared with gold ?


Gold wasnt worth zero 7 years ago so an unfair comparison.

Lets see if bitcoin is still around in the next 7 years.

well how much gold roses in the first 7 years since it was discovered? i doubt it was 1000% increase

A bit of a stupid comment, how far you going to go back? Egyptians were using gold 5000 bc and it was in use and valued way before that.

Also dont forget that gold is not only valued in USD.

In the last 5 years Gold against various currencies :

Brazilian Real up 95%

Russian Ruble up 123%

Indian Rupee up 33%

South African Rand up 101%
1815  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 11, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
If you had to convert all your wealth to either Bitcoin or gold and keep it there for 10 years, which would you choose? Keep in mind the fact that Bitcoin has only been around for 5 years, and could be fundamentally different in any number of ways in 10 years.
of course i will choose gold,i will not take risk by convert all my wealth to something that have not certain future,have no certain price and not acceptable in every place,i will not do that Grin
if you just look at the investment in terms of security I think gold always be the right choice. but it's a big problem that will benefit you can earn in that time I would choose bitcoin. you know within a period of 7 years. bitcoin rose more than 1000%,  compared with gold ?


Gold wasnt worth zero 7 years ago so an unfair comparison.

Lets see if bitcoin is still around in the next 7 years.
1816  Economy / Economics / Re: Big Crash coming on: March 09, 2016, 09:59:17 PM
I don't think there is going to be an economic crisis, let's not be such pessimists. I think oil price will hit $50 in a matter of time.

We are already in a global economic crisis and have been for some time.

Why do you think there has been quantitative easing, zero interest rates, negative interest rates, billions wiped off share prices, banks failing, countries collapsing Greece, Ireland, Brazil, Venezuela etc, the US's 18 record breaking 18 trillion $ debt, baltic dry index lowest in history.

We are right on the edge of global depression.

Think you need to wake up.
1817  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 09, 2016, 09:22:47 PM
Everyone keeps stating that there is a limited supply of bitcoin due to the 21m cap (with current coding)

However seen as bitcoin is merely digital numbers on a screen they are infinitely divisible so is there really any shortage?


p.s.

Also is anyone else here worried that bitcoin has seen no significant price increase this year to date considering the global economic turmoil.  Gold is up 20% year to date and attracting a lot of new money and investment.

All the bitcointards and permabulls keep harping on about is the block halving.  They are praying the hype drives up the price so they can dump at a profit.  At this moment in time there is no other development or growth happening to drive up the price in a healthy sustainable way.

Year to date gold is up 24.29% on Bitcoin

1818  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: I have $784 BTC and looking for paypal I going first on: March 09, 2016, 08:59:38 PM
Stinks of a scam.
1819  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 06, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
Seems Ralobot.com is a scammer using fake links to the forum to harvest usernames and passwords :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1389494.0
1820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation on: March 05, 2016, 05:26:08 PM
Just over 5,000,000 IOTA available for 45 Bitcoin.

If anyone is interested drop me a pm.

Escrow is a must with Come-from-Beyond.

So you just create an account, post an ask order and logout in a minute? I hope it's not a fake sell order from a buyer trying to lower the price   Roll Eyes

Call his bluff and buy them Smiley
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