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1821  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2014, 05:38:34 AM
I just mailed your posts to some participants from the upcoming senate hearing...

Can you share their email addresses? I'd like to send a few emails myself.
1822  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. on: January 22, 2014, 10:52:30 PM
It is not the job of the escrow provider to ensure that they are not guilty by association. It is the job of the government to not hold people guilty by association, and not block factual findings of innocence.

It is the job of the individual to protect themselves from everyone. Bitcoin, as a tool, truly shines at this task, but it's up to the individual to take the appropriate steps.

Not sure which steps can truly protect against the totalitarians' boot stamping on the face of the world, forever.

I'm sorry to hear that.
1823  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. on: January 22, 2014, 10:26:29 PM
It is not the job of the escrow provider to ensure that they are not guilty by association. It is the job of the government to not hold people guilty by association, and not block factual findings of innocence.

It is the job of the individual to protect themselves from everyone. Bitcoin, as a tool, truly shines at this task, but it's up to the individual to take the appropriate steps.
1824  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Delete/Remove Wallet - shred/overwrite, or merely filesystem delete? on: January 22, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
What is the expected sequence for someone who wants to secure-erase a wallet?



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1825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fractional Reserve Banking Approach on the Table for Corrupting Bitcoin Network? on: January 22, 2014, 09:53:59 PM
It worked for gold and other assets for a few hundred years.

In fact, it's inevitable.  You have a situation where people are sitting on large wealth in an asset that doesn't do anything productive.  Sell it and you risk missing long term appreciation.  By loaning it, others can put it to productive use.  

The difference with Bitcoin is that there is a widely distributed public ledger which allows for transparency unlike anything we've had before.
1826  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fractional Reserve Banking Approach on the Table for Corrupting Bitcoin Network? on: January 22, 2014, 09:49:50 PM
Many suspect Mt Gox of engaging in fractional reserve banking hence the fiat withdrawal problems.  Good luck auditing any exchange they won't cooperate.

By definition any fiat or bitcoin held on an exchange is an IOU.

Indeed. One risks losing their deposits by trusting organizations which do not submit to an audit.
1827  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fractional Reserve Banking Approach on the Table for Corrupting Bitcoin Network? on: January 22, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Very simple take delivery of your BTC, sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Fractional reserve banking by its very nature involves a short play, namely a promise to pay something one does not have, on the expectation that the lender or "depositor" will not ask for it back or "take delivery". There is no more effective way to squeeze the bears to the wall in any market than to take delivery.

By the way the BTC market saw a sizeable example of fractional reserve banking with pirateat40 and his "trusts" in late 2011 and 2012. I strongly believe that he single handedly depressed the BTC/USD market during 2012 and when it all blew up the price sky-rocketed in 2013. Those of us who were actively buying BTC in 2012 and taking delivery profited handsomely from the pirate affair.

Bitcoin opens to the door to transparent FRB. One can enter into a contract with their bank stating that they will deposit and not take delivery of their bitcoins for a certain period of time. The banks will have to offer competitive interest rates in order to get people to enter into these contracts. Of course, unlike pirate@40, the customers would be wise to demand third party auditing of the books. Wink
1828  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fractional Reserve Banking Approach on the Table for Corrupting Bitcoin Network? on: January 22, 2014, 09:42:27 PM
Is there no way of telling that a particular coin has its source in mining rather than a promissory note?

Actual bitcoins only exist on the block chain. If your bitcoin is on the block chain, it's a bitcoin.

If you accept a note claiming to be a bitcoin, yet you can not manipulate this coin on the block chain, you have a promissory note.

Fractional reserve banking will be easier to keep in check with Bitcoin as we can always see actual bitcoins on the block chain. If a Bitcoin bank wishes to engage in FRB, it's users can demand the bank submit to audits by proving it controls a certain amount of bitcoins on the block chain. The beauty of the block chain is that it is a public ledger which can not be faked.

Now banks can compete for their customer's business by offering good interest rates on deposited bitcoins which they will loan out, yet the customers have methods to keep the banks honest.

Also, promissory notes will probably not be fungible with actual bitcoins (because it's so simple to tell them apart), the real thing will command a premium.
1829  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ebay almost getting into bed with Bitcoin, PayPal c$ckblocking on: January 22, 2014, 09:28:36 PM
Ebay owns Paypal.
1830  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fractional Reserve Banking Approach on the Table for Corrupting Bitcoin Network? on: January 22, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
Just wondering, from a technical side, how a fractional reserve banking-based alteration to Bitcoin would be achieved and how we can stop it / protect the bitcoin network from this.

It would be achieved by getting people to accept promissory notes instead of actual Bitcoins. You probably can't stop it and it doesn't require a network change.
1831  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Decreasing rewards on: January 22, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
The very first users, when trying Bitcoin for the first time, were not aware that it was going to become what it is today - they put in time, effort and risk when no one else would.

What was the risk associated with mining the first blocks? A couple of minutes of personal time wasted, a couple of minutes of wear and tear on CPU, a dollar spent on electricity?

Man, that is a huge risk. I'm glad it paid off.  Grin

Not selling the mined coins at $0.0001
Not selling the mined coins at $0.001
Not selling the mined coins at $0.01
Not selling the mined coins at $0.1
Not selling the mined coins at $1
Not selling the mined coins at $10
Not selling the mined coins at $100
Not selling the mined coins at $1000

At every price increase, there is a risk that a bitcoin would never be worth more. At some point along the way, for most early miners, that risk became "huge".

Anyway, Bitcoin is where it is today thanks to the early adopters. If the reward schedule was different, you may have never heard about the failed experiment called Bitcoin.
1832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Someone please explain the speculation about bitcoin (People say 2-10k by 2015) on: January 21, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
Seems like Dogecoin has just surpassed bitcoin in volume. Crazy times huh.

Litecoin constantly beats Bitcoin in volume (by a lot).

View volume in the amount of value exchanged (typically measured in dollars) and you will get a much different picture.

As assets go up in value, the volume measured in the amount of the asset exchanged typically goes down, but the volume measured in value exchanged goes up (or stays the same). In other words, 1000 bitcoins exchanged at a price of $1 each is the same value exchanged as 1 bitcoin at a price of $1000 each.

See google:



As the value of the asset increases, the volume (measured in the amount of the asset exchanged) drops. We no longer need to trade thousands of Bitcoins to equal a significant amount of value exchanged.

TL;DR: There is nothing crazy about an asset with low value seeing huge volumes compared to an asset with high value, as long as you are measuring volume in the amount of the asset exchanged.
1833  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Democratic manipulation of the Silk Road 29,655 bitcoins on: January 21, 2014, 05:28:25 AM
The question is what happens to pirates 100k+ coins. I know he still has them.
If you are speaking of pirate@40, I would venture to guess that you are mistaken.

The topic is Silk Road. The "pirate" is "Dread Pirate Roberts" or "DPR".
1834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Someone please explain the speculation about bitcoin (People say 2-10k by 2015) on: January 21, 2014, 05:09:41 AM
This image is outdated, but it was always one of my favorites. The pixel representing Bitcoin has certainly grown since then!



If Bitcoin proves to be the superior choice, or even a choice for one of these "markets", well...
1835  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Decreasing rewards on: January 21, 2014, 04:52:47 AM
A system in which the reward increases over time (relative) could still be designed in such a way to benefit the early adopters and at the same time spread the wealth among more users (I don't have a specific proposal off the top of my head before someone asks). But maybe such concept was beyond the brilliant mind of Satoshi.

Perhaps Bitcoin would have never bootstrapped had the reward scheme been different than Satoshi's? Perhaps something as new and different as Bitcoin needed a group of early adopters who would keep pushing regardless of how many times they were told, "It will never work"? Perhaps they needed a reason beyond simply shaking things up? Perhaps profit is fantastic motivation to succeed?
1836  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mentioned on a TV show on: January 20, 2014, 06:03:45 PM
Mentioned in Epidode 11 of The Blacklist too.

Also: The Simpsons, Person of Interest, Almost Human
1837  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mentioned on a TV show on: January 20, 2014, 06:00:16 PM
I see lots of posts about 'How long till bitcoin comes up in a movie'.

Well we've reached a new milestone, bitcoin was mentioned in this weeks eps of Criminal Minds.
It was used a payment system for prostitutes, which obviously shows as to how the media views it, but at least it's something.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2148561/

That particular milestone was reached ages (internet time) ago.
1838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2014, 05:41:38 PM
Who is anticipating a big dump before the end of the month?

everyone that believes in the confirmed bad news thread

I believe in the confirmed bad news thread. I believe that it is a parody of attempts at actual confirmed bad news.

I see more bulls than bears taking offense to the parody, and that is slightly frightening.
1839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why are we still at this price? Review of bearish thread titles... on: January 20, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
This subforum is literally BRIMMING with bear threads.
There are more bull titles than bear titles so this is all irrelevant.

I don't trust any of you fuckers! So... let's see. (If you disagree with my classification of the thread, too fucking bad! I tried to bias it against bulls since I'm a bull.)

(Neutral 1)    When in 2013 shall Bitcoin break its all-time-high of $31?
(Neutral 2)   Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
(Neutral 3)    Bitcoin - Bulls out of the wedge but without force
(Bear 1)       Time to dump BTC now I say...
(Bull 1)        Important dates 2014
(Bull 2)        Why are we still at this price? Review of bearish thread titles...    
(Bear 2)       Worst Case Scenario - Price Predictions?
(Bull 3)        Bitcoin will hit $10,000 in 2014
(Bear 3)       2014 could be a slow year for bitcoin
(Neutral 4)   Analysis never ends
(Bull 4)        First Bitcoin ATM in switzerland!
(Bear 4)      SHOTRING BITCOIN: This is a good idea right now
(Bear 5)      The age of KARHU begins....seek ye refuge in alms to the KARHU!
(Bull 5)        intrinsic value and the value of accounting. why a goldrush will affect bitcoin.
(Neutral 5)   Memespeculation
(Neutral 6)   Videoblog & Technical Analysis for Bitcoin
(Bear 6)       Confirmed Bad News Sources Thread - No FUD, Just Facts!!!1
(Bear 7)       Get an e-mail when the FBI bitcoins move    
(Neutral 7)   Bitcoin Price Analysis!    
(Neutral 8 )  Mystery Chart Says to Buy Btc now and sell in ~115.2 Days
(Neutral 9)   Daily USD/BTC - Most Accurate BTC-e predictions
(Neutral 10)  Bitcoin - Price on vertex of the wedge.    
(Bear 8 )      BTC Beginning of the End !
(Bear 9)       chinese markets volume data wrong    
(Neutral 11)  Latest Developments Thread
(Bear 10)     Another BEARS ONLY discussion. When will bitcoin finally drop and how far?
(Bear 11)     Alot of BTC in the hands of newbs - wrt FBI selloff
(Bear 12)     The reason volume is so low on Gox, BTCE and Bitstamp
(Neutral 12)  Bulls and Bears! Who will win?
(Bull 6)        Green shoot analysis - volume increasing
(Neutral 13)  January 31st Impact on Bitcoin
(Bull 7)         I AM HODLING
(Bull 8 )       the Hodl and why.
(Bull 9)        I predict that btc will rise to $2000 by end of March 2014
(Neutral 14)  It's called a correction (waveaddict's bitcoin charting subscription thread)
(Neutral 15)  Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test
(Bear 13)      bearish sentiment in a possible third wave?
(Bear 14)      FBI seized an extra 144000

Bull - 9
Bear - 14
Neutral - 15

Conclusion: I now trust BitcoinAshley more than TERA.
1840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time to dump BTC now I say... on: January 20, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
Only if you (and they) are only interested in fiat profits. Bitcoin has much more to offer than that.

I know.

Thanks to Bitcoin, I can by drugs of such high quality that they could never realistically be found trading on the streets without being cut to shit.

As for money laundering, I am not really in that market.

Porn I can stream for free.

For openly moving money around the world, there are far cheaper and more convenient options than using Bitcoin.

Well, I personally use it as a store of value which ultimately can not be seized without my permission (and done correctly, can't even be seized with my permission), and a means to transfer value without obtaining help from middlemen or permission from any authorities.
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