SBF uses investors' money for fun and buys luxury properties, this is a fatal mistake that makes investors cry, so far he only plays consumer money, now FTX has officially filed for bankruptcy, and I think the police must act legally, this is not a healthy business but you can say that he is a criminal.

After falling to the $15k level as the lowest point, now it seems that the bitcoin price is experiencing a little pressure to increase in price, basically no one can predict its movement exactly, but if you look at the history of price movements in the past, bitcoin prices often fall when at the end of the year due to selling pressure by investors simultaneously, I hope that by the end of this year the price of bitcoin can go up and if the price of bitcoin goes up of course it will also make altcoin prices follow the movement of bitcoin.

according to your predictions or speculations, will bitcoin and altcoins increase in price at the end of the year or not? and if there is an increase in the price of an altcoin, do you think which altcoin will rise higher?

If truly we are all here to share crypto experiences then this is another one, I could be the one lacking the knowledge but I believe creating this topic will open my eye to better understanding.

Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin as the perfect P2P digital money but today people are forced to pay tax on their holdings. Haven't this make the whole anonymous and freedom dream of Nakamoto failed?

From my point of view, Satoshi's goal or dream failed completely. The majority does not even know and even does not intent to find out how Bitcoin and blockchain technology works. All they know is the name of the product that made someone rich, that they dream will make they rich, the product is demanded and traded widely. If we replace the word Bitcoin with something else, and gives same profit results, nothing will change much for those people. That is why I think dream has failed.

Thanks.  Many times, I just try to bounce off the ideas of others, and it is true that there are a lot of us who will sometimes have really bad information and practices regarding money management matters that would allow us to even be able to invest, yet money management seems to be one of those kinds of skills that anyone can improve - especially the basics, and the more time that s/he works at improving it, then the more likely s/he will be able to develop systems in which s/he is able to profit from investing (rather than devolving into gambling).  Sometimes we might not even recognize the difference between investing and gambling until we have practiced, thought about it, and practiced some more.

Personally, I am not against suggesting that someone (including newbies) to get started in bitcoin right away.. .and to figure it out as they go, but to avoid shitcoins.

So surely each person is responsible for his / her own investment strategy and also to figure out his/her budget in order that s/he is not investing too much and then ending up gambling rather than investing.

So yeah a lot of regular people do not seem to be very good at managing their own money, but to me, it seems that managing money is a basic task that any of us should be able to figure out.. especially several of the basics in regards to making sure that we are not spending more than we earn, unless we know how to manage debt as well..

but anyhow, general deficiencies that people have in managing their own money does not stop me from both suggesting that they get started investing into bitcoin right away and to clarify that I am talking about bitcoin rather than shitcoins.. and then also I suppose that I am going to attempt to presume a certain level of competence that people should have, even though I know that if I were to get into details with many people I will find that a lot of people do not tend to be very good at managing their finances, but on a basic and general level I am still not getting into whether they are good at managing their finances, I am getting into telling them that they should figure out how to include bitcoin into their lives... and they need to figure out the specifics.. even though of course, I will tend to attempt to answer questions when people have them... especially it comes to bitcoin, and if they start to talk about various shitcoins or throwing out the term "crypto" (which does sometimes happen if you just approach some random persons) then I will attempt to clarify that I am not talking about investing into "crypto" or shitcoins, and then at that appoint attempting to clarify that bitcoin is different.. and then once their eyes start to glaze over because they are not really interested in the topic or they are already lost in the topic, then maybe at that point it would be time to change the topic.

So if someone really wants to engage on the topic, then that may well be a different story.. and provoke even more conversation.. and from my perspective, there will frequently be needs to clarify between bitcoin and shitcoin (and crypto) just to continue to clarify what I am trying to talk about and sometimes to attempt to respond to any of the misconceptions that they might have if they are getting their information about bitcoin from the mainstream media.. which surely it is not going to be as probable to find some random person who really actually knows the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins and crypto and even knowing the difference between holding actual bitcoin and/or having bitcoin on exchanges (having third parties holding bitcoins, which at best are claims/vouchers to bitcoin rather than actual bitcoin). So it can take a while to get through these kinds of discussions with actual understandings and not getting caught up upon various misunderstandings that seem to be quite widely spread if any of us talk to random people on the street or in real life meaning our friends, relatives and other acquaintances that we meet in real life.

It does not hurt to know that these days whenever we talk about bitcoin, that we are likely going to be interacting with people who may well have quite a few too.  It's just part of our current landscape that information is all over the place out there, and maybe from time to time we might get lucky and find some people on the street who actually know a lot more than the average person about bitcoin, and it is true that from time to time, I have met those kinds of people in the real world, too.


That comes off as a bit patronizing to me.

I agree that a lot of people do not know how to manage their money very well, but the fact that a lot of people are not good at investing is not going to stop me from telling them about bitcoin and telling them that it would likely be to their advantage to look into it sooner rather than later.  They are still responsible for what they do, even if I am telling them to get the fuck started asap... and good luck.  I am not responsible if they fuck up how much they put into bitcoin or how they go about their investment or how they manage their finances.. but I do feel that I have to make sure that they understand that I am referring to bitcoin and not to shitcoins, not to crypto and not to ONLY having price exposure.. while recognizing that it can take a while for someone to figure out specifics, and if they engage and ask questions then I will do my best to answer from my opinion and experiences, and they won't know my opinion and experiences unless they engage and we end up going back and forth for a while to see that they are actually interested..

Another thing is that personal finances seem to be an area in which people have to be willing to discuss.. and those kinds of areas can end up being quite sensitive discussion areas, too... so there can be some balancing back and forth and also there can be some reluctancies to share too many personal details too.. So, even I am careful to try not to overly share, so maybe instead of talking about specific amounts, I might refer to hypothetical amounts.. such as saying buying $100 of bitcoin per week or something like that... which again depends on the other person in terms of if the other person might bring up his/her own specifics in terms of some investment that he has or maybe some kind of budget amount that he is thinking about, and then our conversation might go in the direction of their hypothetical (or their personal example) rather than my hypothetical.


We are not selling anything.  I will tell people that it is up to them to do whatever they like.. and I give less than two shits if they actually buy any bitcoin or not.. but it would likely be to their advantage to look into the matter, then to take some action to establish a bitcoin position.. and everyone who invests at all should attempt to figure out their bitcoin position and a good starting position is anywhere between 1% to 25% of their quasi-liquid investment portfolio, but they still have to figure out if those numbers work for them and how to get them to work for them if they are going to end up choosing to get started in bitcoin.


It is up to people the extent to which they want to take anything that I say seriously.  If they have erroneous perceptions, then sure maybe I will attempt to help them for a while, but if they are not taking any of the matters seriously, then I am not going to want to spend very much time with those kinds of people because we are not communicating sufficiently well in order to be valuable use of time for either of us.

December has been running half and it seems that the hope to see the market rising will not occur in December, the number of FUDS after 2 big cases namely FTX and Luna makes us panic and think that Bitcoin will continue to drop, but a good thing is Bitcoin can still survive from pressure.

Control your emotion, believe me, emotion is your biggest number one enemy. Especially the fear and greed know how to stop loss and know how to take profit.


Please don't stay away from BTC since if you can predict BTC moves you can predict the most market is going. In fact, most of traders that I have followed what they do first is predict BTC moving after that they start to analyze the altcoin. Bitcoin waves is real.

Good Luck

Bitcoin, because there's no crypto project can overtake Bitcoin hype, right now Bitcoin still on top 1 position with the highest marketcap and dominance, this is a proof if those shit project like POS, ICO, IDO, IEO, NFT, P2E, DEFI, CEFI, Metaverse etc are worthless and failed project.

I don't care if there's a hype about a new project that I haven't mentioned above, because it's just a matter of name while the projects doesn't have any utility or real case.

Yup, those that have bought at the peak are still at loss and it's on them why they're holding it until now. They're still at most of their money loss with XRP and they have to wait for it.
While for the other coins, it's true that many of them are also sitting in losses and even much more because the coin they've bought aren't known and probably made a rug pull which has no way of recovery.

Sorry, I want to justify your words, that the current price has touched 18k $, if I'm not wrong to see it in several big markets today, my question is, will the bitcoin price touch 20k $ at the beginning of the year, because  all markets have recovered from the barmarkets of recent months.

This is the problem with one company monopolizing the most important and largest part of the crypto markets combined. Any doubts about Binance that may be confirmed in one way or another by any official authority, even if only as a matter of raising fears, will lead to a disaster in the entire market. On this basis, I do not imagine that Binance has withdrawn this number as a problem in the system, but rather it is most likely just rumors targeting the platform.
In any case, it is never advisable to leave your money in the hands of centralized platforms, no matter how reliable they seem.

What do you mean, mate?
I don't think predicting market trends is a problem. It is the way to know your opportunity to buy or sell. Predicting is a necessary part of trading or investment. If you can't predict the market trends, you don't know when the best time to collect crypto assets and take the profits.

Almost all crypto coins move slowly in the current market condition, not only BTC.
If you are not familiar with future trading, sure you need to stay away. But if you know well it, why do you need to stay away?

If you are trading crypto coins, you can't expect stable income.
For me, the income from crypto trading is always hard to predict. Crypto price is very volatile and the market trend is unpredictable. It is the factor to make it difficult to get a stable income in crypto trading.

It is beyond imagination that the price of Bitcoin has gone up and down so much.  Because few hours ago the price of Bitcoin was 18k plus.  But from there the price dropped again to 17K so I think the price of Bitcoin will rise on Christmas day.  Because for the past few years, the price of Bitcoin has increased somewhat in this month of December.  That's why I can say that Bitcoin price will cross $20k in December itself.

It's really surprise me every time why people try to buy on bullish market. Bear market is the best opportunity for crypto lovers who believe in it. They can be able to fill their portfolio by buying more. We just need to hold strongly to get profited from our investment. Patience is highly needed if you have trust on crypto.

Every person who lives with cryptos know that cryptocurrencies will dump in 2023 and in 2024 we will more grow...
so in this topic, we discuss which coin is better to buy for more gains about 10X to 1000X!



my idea :

1- ETH---10X  
2- ADA---20X  
3- MATIC---10X  
4-SHIBA--100X  
5-NEAR---50X  
6-DOT--20X  
 

what's your idea?

Yes, sticking to the crypto market is more likely to be rewarded the market does not stay in one place those who survive are successful. This is the right time to invest because the market will go higher in the future the value of currencies will rise further.

That is what we must do to secure our funds from anything that will happen, especially if we keep it from the exchange.
The FTX case has emerged, and it looks like people are rocking Binance, spreading bad news, and wanting to panic people.
But we can hope that Binance will not be hit by any problems and can survive any bad news that hits them.
You must try to calm down and look for other news so that the negative news does not provoke you.