But one thing is sure if the block size increases to 8mb as the Chinese want it to be then that's no way is a consensus because theoretically they say my way or the highway
Yet it was Gavin who said 8MB (you can check the article that the OP linked to - no mention of 8MB there at all).
So either Gavin is the *devil* who proposed 20MB or he is the *devilI* that accepts 8MB - somehow you seem to have everything twisted up that it has anything at all to do with what *I say* or most others.
My guess is now that you must now think that somehow Gavin is *involved with the Chinese* about all this.