Does this version allow opting out of the fee, whether recommended or not?
For normal transactions yes. For spam transactions no. Quoting, Free transactions are supported and relayed as they always have been,
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SHA1 sums for rc1: 5ca82c5b694fc432b4b342dde5cd1b145e265f13 bitcoin-0.3.23rc1-linux.tar.gz 8853206ec4d9e48bb41a0482ac1367f6fb01bcad bitcoin-0.3.23rc1-src.tar.gz 12952b1c4a15ce55564500dace18ee22eb2feaa8 bitcoin-0.3.23rc1-win32-setup.exe PGP signature of same: http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/405066/
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- 'Voting' should then also be possible by running a completely different client, implemented by other developers.
This is already possible. Sounds like a great project. Are you volunteering? - The default client should not contain limits that prevent running other versions / clients. If the default client won't distribute transactions with a fee less than 0.01, it's going to be very hard to run a client that allows a minimum fee of 0.001.
Shockingly... people are already doing that which you describe as "very hard" simply by upgrading. Re-read the part of my post about people voting with their downloads. Then re-read the other post about transaction fees already changing. Then read the thread on transaction fees changing to 0.0005. And maybe study how mining works, too. Same with the version number misery...
No idea what you're talking about here.
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Great thanks, looking forward to the list. The forum just became too crowded lately, and a lot of FUD around...
See my comments in this thread, also. The forum just isn't suited for introducing new people to bitcoin, anymore. It scares off more business-professionals than it attracts.
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I'm planning to keep that to me self, due to i think the other pools based on pushpoold will eventually face the same problem. This issue costed the pool/me personally 10 BTC + a whole day of hard work with debugging, tcpdump and ~10 people that tried in all ways to help us.
So... you won't even tell the author of pushpool? pushpool certainly cost me a lot more than "10 BTC + a whole day of hard work." Zip for donations or thanks, just people asking for free support all the time, too.
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Just a quick question: is this just for mainline client dev, or are we alternative developers allowed to ask questions too? You'd have to ask Gavin to be 100% sure, but I think that anybody working on software that deals with the bitcoin network should be welcome...
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FWIW, all that is encoded into -dnsseed
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Another possible workaround for others in the same boat. When I start the client I begin to 'Generate Coins' even tho it is basically useless it DOES get me connections much faster for some reason. Just my 2 bitcents
No, that is completely random. Mining does not affect your P2P connectivity. 'Generate Coins' has been removed in recent versions, anyway.
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Two workarounds for slow bitcoin network: 1) Patience: Wait a long time, possibly several hours. 2) Try the 0.3.23 release candidate, which attempts to address this problem. The network has been flooded with new users, many of whom do not support incoming connections. This causes a problem with the P2P code in versions <= 0.3.22. If you are brand new to the network, -dnsseed may also help.
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I find myself in the doubter camp. I'm not buying BTC. To me, I can't think who would rationally want to jump in on Monday morning. Especially knowing that over 60% of the "value" of Bitcoins evaporated while no more than two percent of them moved. (as determined by Saturday volume divided by total circulation).
Bitcoin has always been a thinly traded market. A $150k buy causes the price to skyrocket, 1000% or more. A $150k sell causes a huge price drop, 60% or more. $150k is nothing to a VC or bored trader. This is precisely how thinly traded, volatile markets behave. Penny stocks are quite similar (including all the vocal lovers and haters on twitter and various message boards). More importantly, on weekends, bank transfers and big money are completely asleep. Absolutely nothing has changed fundamentally about bitcoins in the past days/weeks.
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Two workarounds: 1) Patience: Wait a long time, possibly several hours. 2) Try the 0.3.23 release candidate, which attempts to address this problem. The network has been flooded with new users, many of whom do not support incoming connections. This causes a problem with the P2P code in versions <= 0.3.22.
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Note to self -- actually compile the newly updated translations.
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When someone with 150k can move the entire market to 1.5x or 2/3 the price if they wanted, I wouldn't take it so seriously... it could swing in any direction.
Yep. It's just like any thinly traded penny stock. A single VC or bored trader can skyrocket or tank the value.
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I don't think the bitcoin forum should be at bitcoin.org. Just my (latest) 2 cents. I agree that this place is very unprofessional.
A list of people who agree with you: 1. the dev team 2. major exchange operators 3. major pool operators 4. people trying to start bitcoin businesses 5. people trying to convince existing business to accept bitcoins
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Well,
1. Big money and bank transfers are asleep on weekends. Bitcoin always dips.
2. Bitcoin has always been a thin, highly volatile market. After a huge rise amid "200,000% increase!" headlines on the front of Yahoo! Finance, you can expect huge drops.
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Business professionals -- the people we are trying to convince to accept bitcoins -- are very turned off by the forums.
We are hoping to swap this forum with weusecoins, prefer a "professional code of conduct" and make that the primary forum.
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Win32, Linux and source releases for bitcoin v0.3.23rc1 have been uploaded to https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.23/test/This is another quick bugfix release, trying to deal with the influx of new bitcoin users. Main items of note: - P2P connect-to-node logic changed to reduce timeout a bit. The network saw a huge influx of new users, who do not permit incoming connections. This change is a short-term hack, to more quickly hunt for useful P2P connections. Better "leaf node" logic is in the works, but this should let us limp along until then.
- Transaction fee reduced to 0.0005 for new transactions (see note below)
- Client will relay transactions with fees as low as 0.0001 BTC (see note below)
NOTE: There has been some fee confusion recently. Free transactions are supported and relayed as they always have been, according to special anti-spam rules. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees for details. Full git changelog: Dean Lee (1): Updated Chinese Simp translation Doug Huff (3): Fix rfc1918 and rfc3927 compliance for ignoring non-internet-routable host Add common temp files to .gitignore. Demystify a few magic numbers. Han Lin Yap (2): Added Swedish translation Remove unused variable Jeff Garzik (4): Bump version to 0.3.23. Reduce minimum TX fee for new transactions, to 0.0005. Lower minimum relay TX fee to 0.0001 (from 0.0005) BTC. Add minimal release process docs. Matt Corallo (1): Fix CPU Usage bug when using -nolisten and have no connections. Nils Schneider (1): create keypool in LoadWallet() Pieter Wuille (3): Update transactions already in the wallet when rescanning. Fix for small change outputs Faster timeout when connecting
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