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1461  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Notice of fee change on GLBSE on: September 19, 2012, 03:33:04 AM
Actually I was wrong, you were actually looking for 10,000BTC not 1,000.

Would it make a difference if I was willing to reduce the amount to 500 BTC? I do not want to waste all the effort I have put into this project and it seems that you are unfairly controlling the market. That seems anti-Bitcoin to me.

It sounds like PPoweredP wants a KickStarter-like system.  That way, investors are protected because a project will not fund unless it reaches the fundraising goals.

1462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal: bitcoin.org "clients" page should distinctly list "bitcoind" on: September 19, 2012, 03:29:40 AM
The level of trust for any website -- be it mtgox, blockchain.info or whatever -- is surely lower than a decentralized client or paper wallet.  blockchain.info seems as much a SPOF as the infamous MyBitcoin web wallet.  (note: not accusing the site owner, just noting its vulnerability and untested nature)

None of the other websites are as attack-hardened as mtgox, but even then, the recommendation for people storing large amounts of bitcoins (> 500 BTC) should be a decentralized solution.

Yes, websites are easier for Aunt Tillie right now, as we've seen with MyBitcoin and Bitcoinica, storing large amounts of bitcoins there for extended periods can lead to large thefts.

Be your own deposit insurance.

1463  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the real risk of a 51% attack? on: September 19, 2012, 03:22:59 AM

Blockchain data is validated by every P2P node, miner or not.

Thus, even a miner with 100% network power cannot rewrite basic rules that other users disagree with.

1464  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How does a block have essentially no transactions besides the block reward? on: September 19, 2012, 03:15:49 AM
Miners choose which transactions to include in a block.

A valid choice is "no transactions" [besides the required coinbase transaction].

1465  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: This pre-order stuff is crazy....... on: September 19, 2012, 03:09:11 AM
Anyone who puts all the money upfront for an unreleased product without final specs deserves any waiting period and product they end up with.

Wow, someone finally really gets it !!!

I agree 100% with your statement, i've seen so many vaporware unreleashed products in my lifetime. The only thing i would consider pre-ordering would be an iphone.

KickStarter has shown upfront financing can be highly effective.

Sure, there are flame-outs.  That does not detract from the successes.

1466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [bitconf] State of the Coin 2012 on: September 19, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
From the paper:

"Users: Difficult to estimate, but probably over 500,000 at this point."

How was it possible to assess this? Number of IPs? Number of addresses? Number of transactions?

Blatant guessing, based on:  number of claimed mtgox users, number of peer nodes on network, number of forum users, previous data posts around here, ...

Not a reliable number at all.  Just trying to find a number that we could say "probably over X"

1467  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ANN] Stratum mining protocol - ASIC ready on: September 19, 2012, 03:04:27 AM
Any chance of doing zlib-compressed JSON on the wire, rather than uncompressed text?
1468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.7.0 released on: September 19, 2012, 02:59:28 AM
0.7 quits unexpectedly immediately after launch on my OSX 10.5.8.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Yes, that's what I'm seeing.

hmmm, it sounds like there may be an OSX-specific problem.

What is the previous known working version?

Was that an official OSX build from Gavin, your own build, or a third party build?

Thanks.

1469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.7.0 released on: September 19, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
. . . a real production environment . . . this 0.7.0 release?
From everything I've seen the bitcoin client has always appeared to me to be in Beta.

Correct.

And beyond that, the RPC API has never had the same ironclad backwards-compat guarantees that the blockchain and P2P network have.  From satoshi's time to present, RPC calls have been considered an internal control plane.  Compatibility with existing use cases is very important, even with RPC API, but sometimes there are exceptions:  deprecated, unused APIs; APIs where we've discussed and planned for changes ahead of time, etc.



1470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.7.0 released on: September 19, 2012, 02:51:23 AM
gavin any chance of seeing big endian/little endian compatibility someday?

For the main client it is low priority.

But in a blatant plug... https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode does support big + little endian out of the box.

1471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [bitconf] State of the Coin 2012 on: September 18, 2012, 06:36:59 AM
Just for reference, last year's talk (warning: outdated) is available at
     http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/2011/state-of-the-coin-2011.pdf
1472  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [bitconf] State of the Coin 2012 on: September 18, 2012, 06:17:42 AM

Astute readers noted that the table of contents jumped from slide 10 to slide 12.

The PDF in the OP has been updated to include a "Reality Check" slide, which was authored and intended to be presented... but due to an errant mouse click ("hide slide") was never shown.

1473  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: butterfly labs is definitely mining with those ASICs at the moment on: September 18, 2012, 05:46:08 AM
Or...

When bitcoin value goes up, the incentive to mine increases.

Just had a big bitcoin conference, with interest spreading.

But most clearly, if BFL's ASICs are anything remotely to spec, mining with even 500 would be far more noticeable than the current hashpower increase.

1474  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: do miners include first-to-broadcast or highest-fee spends? on: September 18, 2012, 05:31:17 AM
Right, I was only thinking about the time span of one block. In the case of low-risk, low-value transactions (a coffee shop, for example, that wants to immediately accept zero-confirmation transactions): Is it fair to say that the merchant should always be listening for network transactions, and checking for double spends when accepting a payment?

It is highly unlikely that a merchant would ever see a double-spend until it's too late.  The favorite double-spend example involves secretly mining a block containing the second transaction, TX #2, the double spend.  The merchant sees TX #1, hands out the goodies with zero confirmations, and then the evil thief releases his block containing TX #2.

In the other double-spend case, where TX #1 races TX #2 across the network...  Presumably the merchant is well connected to the P2P network, receiving and broadcasting transactions normally.  Any double spend not sent in a block, but rather simply sent out to the network, would probably be rejected by all the merchant's peers.  The merchant would likely never see TX #2.  The moral of the story here is merchants should always be well-connected.

Zero-confirmation transactions are fraught with danger and possible mischief.  We recommend against zero-conf transactions.

It has been shown that even 1-confirmation transactions are within the realm of a determined attacker, so I would never go below 2 confirmations for anything remotely valuable.  But at that point...  if you can wait 20 minutes, surely you can wait 60 minutes for a full 6 confirmations.

The merchant must simply ask themselves about their risk level:  if the transaction is low value, then will an attack cost more than the price of the good being sold (coffee)?  That is a business decision and not a technical decision.  Can you afford the occasional double-spent coffee, in exchange for convenience of zero-confirmation?


1475  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Create a default contract for share and bond assets on GLBSE on: September 18, 2012, 04:03:25 AM
As per some of the discussion on the DMC thread, there is a need to have a default contract that assets fall back to when there is no clause to handle.

Makes sense for new issues...  for existing issues, one presumes that a contract change -- even to add defaults -- requires shareholder agreement.

1476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.7.0 released on: September 18, 2012, 04:01:15 AM
Is this the September announcement?

No.

1477  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: do miners include first-to-broadcast or highest-fee spends? on: September 18, 2012, 03:57:27 AM
Presumably the fees will become the main driving force behind mining in future. Miners would then have an incentive to include in the block the spend with the highest fees, even if it is obviously a double spend against an earlier transaction that is already broadcast.

A double-spend is not relayed by the network, nor accepted by miner.  That economic incentive does exist, though, you are correct.

Also, one a transaction has been placed inside a block ("confirmed"), all nodes will refuse to relay a double-spend transaction for those same funds.

1478  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: do miners include first-to-broadcast or highest-fee spends? on: September 18, 2012, 03:55:19 AM
I like the attitude of D&T and koin shown above, but the user does not have much control over what nodes relay and accept/refuse their transaction, right? It's the miners that can decide.

Close.

Each node decides what to relay, or not.  Miners have no control over relaying.

As you say, the user does not have control over what nodes relay -- apart from knowing that "standard" transactions are likely to be relayed, and "non-standard" transactions are not likely to be relayed.

Miners do have control over what transactions are placed inside each block, but that is a separate issue from relaying.

1479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Project will be making a major announcement in September on: September 18, 2012, 12:58:02 AM
Maybe "major announcement" will be jgarzik's pybond merging with bitcoin.

That will always be a separate project, as far as I can forsee.

1480  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Distributed bond markets and pay-to-policy outputs on: September 18, 2012, 12:57:05 AM
Is this the pybond project mentioned at the end of the State of the Coin 2012 slides?

That is one distributed bond effort, yes.

There is no Official Blessed Distributed Bond effort; each developer just scratches their own itch.  In pybond's case, I am writing a basic distributed bond implementation, with no pay-to-policy stuff, just to prove the basics work.

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