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19221  Economy / Reputation / Re: Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! on: February 27, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
But if I try to think of a plausible “why”, the first thing which comes to mind is, “Little brother got jealous of big sis doing that Bitcoin thing, wanted his own exchange account, needed to be 18+, had easy access to her identity docs for alteration.”

The photo here http://archive.is/eT0zY#selection-1871.0-1871.21 is the same photo here  http://www.shivalikrecruiters.com/hinduja-global-service.php
It comes up when you Google image search for "passport size photo girl".

revcback also wanted a fake diploma http://archive.is/FJnVy#selection-1887.0-1887.19

1. The photo is not her sister's photo.
2. You don't need a diploma to open an exchange account
3. Your boyfriend is already losing a lot at Bitmex. So he doesn't need ID for trading.

The odds of two Alia Armelle (real and fake) involved in crypto, gambling and Bitcointalk is very high. Or maybe there is really a DannyHamiltom, lmao

You're grasping at straws defending your online sexmate. Oooh, the memories of merit fucking.

The reddit thread makes absolutely no sense.  Who would be so stupid as to make an online request of a fake ID and provide details in a public thread?  You need better evidence than that, no?
19222  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 27, 2018, 09:24:09 PM
Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....

I like the way you laugh, its feel so bad, make me think to not laugh at some professor's idea that got memed so bad nobody dare to implement it, and probably never will be forever and ever....

Professor : its soooo irritating to not able to start alt because you are so important here, let me kick some Newbie and Jr. Member asses

Looks like you are building up a post history of consistent hating and obsession with forum personalities... Who gives a ratt's ass about your irrelevant points?  Even a shill account comes up with much better points, but of course, by definition, shill accounts are getting paid or sponsored in some kind of way, so they have to maintain some kind of trolling quality, if there is such a thing.

I know that you are not asking for advice, but maybe you would consider getting over your butt hurtness, and just research into crypto and develop some kind of crypto related hobby?  Aren't you here on this forum for crypto?  There is a vast amount of crypto-related information on this forum.  Personally, I am mostly interested in bitcoin, but sure I recognize that there are some other cryptos that seem to be of interest to forum members, even beyond the pumping and dumping of such alts and ICOs and other scams... Anyhow,  so why boggle your post history down with nonsensical and hateful irrelevancies when you might  involve your self with some substantive crypto discussions?
19223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 10:44:07 AM

I am getting angry, guys (and gal).

It's not going to be looking pretty in this thread if these JJG ease of references continue.  Tongue


I'm sure you'd feel great and the thread would look much prettier if you weren't so miserly with your merits.

Miserly, spiezerly.   Tongue    





What's so funny is that theymos thought you had a clue about what makes a good post. There is no evidence for that.

Perhaps it was a pity merit-source allocation. You are a special one, sorta thing.

Oh my!!!!

You are on a butthurt nonsense roll today.

Maybe you should take a nap or something, and cheer up ur lillie selfie?  Or perhaps call upstairs to grandma, and see if she will deliver you some moar milk and cookies, since you are "really busy" with your very very very very very (did I put enough veries in there?) selfie important interwebs surfenings?

https://twitter.com/search?q=scronty

asked and answered coupla weeks ago

Ugh. The deeper you dig, the more your hands are covered in poo.   There’s a lesson here somewhere.

Use a shovel? Wear gloves? Blame JJG? Hodl?

edited

Yes... It's looking like a nap might be good for you (and perhaps provide some relief for WO readers, too).

Well don't just stand there.  Post some walls.  
No. My reading of the thread reveals there's no point believing in them. It's all too easily manipulated, so it means very little to discuss them.
Also I feel like Darwin this morning.
[https://i.imgur.com/Yst3u2e.jpg[/img]
But I am very poorly today and very stupid and hate everybody and everything.
So i bow out gracelessly, flicking v's at all y'all

Nightie Night... U cute little sleepie head.   Kiss  Kiss
19224  Other / Meta / Re: Who the hell is "nullius" the guy is too smart around here :) on: February 27, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
thats just proved that anyone with English language proficiency will dominated this forum with the new merit system, becoming more like bitcoin glorifying forum than anything else, more like nice literature produce than any substantial economic & tenhnical proper, this smart popular person will just spit out condescending remarks towards others to tone down other people idea/thinking and win the discussion while offering nothing to the wealth of discussion
Eh, no.  Idiot shitposters who can't write English never have anything good to say.  I would state that as a rule that has extremely few exceptions.   And hey, if I'm wrong feel free to cry until your eyes are purple.  

There may be posts made out of 24 karat gold on the local boards--and that's where people who can't write coherent sentences in English should stay.  Maybe they'll even get some merit.


Yea I see, your avatar says alot about your opinion value, enjoy your extremely relevant post and let everyone cry your soulless anger




OMG   Shocked Shocked Shocked

The all important and relevant avatar attack, where have I seen that before?  How novel and substantive to the discussion!!!    Roll Eyes



NOT.   Tongue
Not sure why avatar is important, you should ask moderator to remove avatar because it is of no value and signify nothing about the poster/owner of avatar, I agree with your less develop mindset that avatar should not be attacked because it is of no relevance with the owner's soul and identity


 Yes.  I find it humorous to witness a modern version of an ad hominem attack, administered through an avatar.  And, of course, someone with your so far high minded mediocre posting history would find considerable relevance and value in such an "important" attack vector.
19225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 10:03:00 AM

I am getting angry, guys (and gal).

It's not going to be looking pretty in this thread if these JJG ease of references continue.  Tongue


I'm sure you'd feel great and the thread would look much prettier if you weren't so miserly with your merits.

Miserly, spiezerly.   Tongue   



19226  Other / Meta / Re: Who the hell is "nullius" the guy is too smart around here :) on: February 27, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
thats just proved that anyone with English language proficiency will dominated this forum with the new merit system, becoming more like bitcoin glorifying forum than anything else, more like nice literature produce than any substantial economic & tenhnical proper, this smart popular person will just spit out condescending remarks towards others to tone down other people idea/thinking and win the discussion while offering nothing to the wealth of discussion
Eh, no.  Idiot shitposters who can't write English never have anything good to say.  I would state that as a rule that has extremely few exceptions.   And hey, if I'm wrong feel free to cry until your eyes are purple.  

There may be posts made out of 24 karat gold on the local boards--and that's where people who can't write coherent sentences in English should stay.  Maybe they'll even get some merit.


Yea I see, your avatar says alot about your opinion value, enjoy your extremely relevant post and let everyone cry your soulless anger


OMG   Shocked Shocked Shocked

The all important and relevant avatar attack, where have I seen that before?  How novel and substantive to the discussion!!!    Roll Eyes



NOT.   Tongue
19227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 05:25:40 AM
Wordy men don't typically like to have their wordiness pointed out. This is because they know it's a bad habit. Try calling Bob rich and see how much that upsets him. We are only bothered by what we consider our own shortfalls.

Try to curb it. A little at a time. It feels better to say more with less words anyway.

How about I say, "fuck off?"

Is that curbed enough for you?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
19228  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 05:24:07 AM
On the fate of Satoshi's stash:

Quote
I told (2) and (3) that I'd obliterated all Bitcoin related material from my end and that they should do the same on their end.

"You what !" (2) asked. "How many bitcoin did you just delete ?"

"The value was worth about $40,000 US dollars when I deleted the file," I said.

"You didn't have to delete them," (2) said. "Just encrypt them and store on a USB stick. No-one would've been able to access them."

"The types of folks who are hunting us would not care whether they can access them of not," I said. "They just need to see that we've got something to hide and that it's Bitcoin-related. The governments around the globe have been locking up folks on suspected-aiding-terrorism charges and throwing the key away. I had to make sure there was absolutely nothing on my computers that showed I had any idea what Bitcoin or crypto was. I even deleted the crypto stuff I'd picked up during my assembly language days."




That link is even wordier than JJG. Can you tl;dr me about what this is exactly so that I'll feel motivated to read it some time?

I am getting angry, guys (and gal).




It's not going to be looking pretty in this thread if these JJG ease of references continue.  Tongue


I'm just giving into peer pressure so I won't get bullied. Sad


O.k.  That is understandable.  Peeps cannot resist peer pressure.

I may spare you when shit hits the fan.

19229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 04:17:51 AM
Huh  Is this the screenplay for Bitcoin the film.   Will Tom Hanks play Satoshi in the lead role, on the run from the evil agents of US Federal reserve.

No. 

Craig Satososhi....   I mean, Craig Wright will play Satoshi.   Roll Eyes   Cheesy Cheesy
19230  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 04:09:24 AM
On the fate of Satoshi's stash:

Quote
I told (2) and (3) that I'd obliterated all Bitcoin related material from my end and that they should do the same on their end.

"You what !" (2) asked. "How many bitcoin did you just delete ?"

"The value was worth about $40,000 US dollars when I deleted the file," I said.

"You didn't have to delete them," (2) said. "Just encrypt them and store on a USB stick. No-one would've been able to access them."

"The types of folks who are hunting us would not care whether they can access them of not," I said. "They just need to see that we've got something to hide and that it's Bitcoin-related. The governments around the globe have been locking up folks on suspected-aiding-terrorism charges and throwing the key away. I had to make sure there was absolutely nothing on my computers that showed I had any idea what Bitcoin or crypto was. I even deleted the crypto stuff I'd picked up during my assembly language days."



That link is even wordier than JJG. Can you tl;dr me about what this is exactly so that I'll feel motivated to read it some time?

I am getting angry, guys (and gal).




It's not going to be looking pretty in this thread if these JJG ease of references continue.  Tongue

19231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 04:01:28 AM
TIL: Bitcoin was originally to have an issuance of 42 million. But the outer Satoshi team changed it to 21

Link or it did not happen.

Are you talking about some Craig Wright bullshit, or is there any credibility to such supposed contemplations?
19232  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 02:52:07 AM
I sense a disturbance in the blockchain.

I have a feeling we're setting up for moonshot this week.

The Force runs deep in you, Black Jedi!

written with love, respect & reverence

not /s - not racist.

The BTC Universe is in motion!

CCMF

Next week: 3rd Annual Blockchain Hackathon & Summit in Wash DC

followed by next BTC ATH on March 9.

 Grin

Oh?   Go figure!!!!!


I wonder how you randomly chose 3/9 as the next ATH?   Shocked   You are thinking $20k or $25k or some other number on that date? 

I sense your input on this new ATH topic is filled with unbiasedness and objectivity..... more than the normally objective and unbiased WO thread poster... ?
  hahahahahaha   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
19233  Other / Meta / Re: Who the hell is "nullius" the guy is too smart around here :) on: February 27, 2018, 02:45:19 AM
In the sense of mocking others, I do not support that style, if you have something to say about someone else it's a much better choice to make it constructive instead of threatening but whether you like it or not this guy clearly knows his business...

You must be new to the interwebs.

In a large number of instances, you cannot deal with trolls, corporate shills and disingenuous posters by using politeness, logic and constructive ideas (facts and logic)...

Sometimes, you gotta play hardball with these nutjobs in order to make your point clearly and unambiguously and not coming off as a pussy.

Sure, frequently, nice and polite can work to possibly give the troll/shill one or two chances to redeem themselves from their seeming lack of substance, but some nutjob posts are decently obvious from the get go.. and frequently the nutjob has no right (and there is little to no benefit) to treat them with kid gloves when they have already shown their colors.  So, actually, if nullius or any other poster, such as TMAN were to go a bit overboard with his/her criticism of a seeming troll, the seeming troll could fairly easily redeem themselves by attempting to be constructive or backing off, but instead, what tends to happen is that the troll doubles down or posts some other kind of nonsense that proves that the earlier criticism of the troll was not overly done.
19234  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 02:05:15 AM
Craig is a clown and best ignored as nothing he has said or done will be shown to be of any consequence.  

Oh, there will be a consequence of all this. He will either come out OFFICIALLY as a lier fraudster or as a thief fraudster. Or all the above. There's no way out of this for him.


Maybe all of this will cause Wright to look like the good guy? - that is if the Kleiman estate is actually bringing legal claims against Wright and giving him additional publicity and drama without really having any decent evidence besides speculations that are built upon Wright's flamboyant and misleading marketing assertions?
19235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 01:47:37 AM
Best thread ever  Smiley

yup

good luck reading it all though
LOL, If he starts reading it now from the beginning, bitcoin will be on the moon and he can't finish this thread yet. It's a huge more than the manga of One piece.  Grin


 IDK.  Strategic use of the ignore button and he could easily finish before moon.


If he just /ignored talkie man, nazi silver man and like 1-2 others that would be 75+% of the thread right there.


I resemble that statement, you fuck.   Angry Angry Angry
19236  Other / Meta / Re: Who the hell is "nullius" the guy is too smart around here :) on: February 27, 2018, 01:12:58 AM
I've come across a guy called "nullius" with a shit tonne of merits more than anyone excluding theymos. Then I started digging because I'm good at it and I finally got to the level where I found "nullius" is something else, something that we don't see around here so easily because it appears he has a strong cryptographic background... So, who the hell is this guy? Is he the founder or what? LOL Smiley

Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=976210

By happenstance, the [cool] dude also came on radar where I, too, noticed his Merit count, hence asking him privately if he's gmaxwell. He timely replied in kind and ask me if I would [kindly] ask the question in this thread. I told him to go kindly fuck himself.  Grin Grin Grin

PS: Don't click on any links he provides, for they're ALL diatribe traps.  Shocked

/S, or /deadpan humour ends


That person is big headed, flaming everyone, threatening others and making fun of other people's post, like he is the smartest here


Yeah...... nullius is a BIG meanie... because he threatens you to make your posts better, otherwise he will call you (and/or your posts) retarded.

What is wrong with that?  You deserve such a label, no?  

So far, I have seen that your posts have tended to suck pretty hard of a kind of irrelevant butthurtness, correct?    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
19237  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 27, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
[edited out]
@theymos:  Please add a merit requirement for reaching Jr. Member status.  Thanks.

Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....

Actually, I think that the Jr. threshold should be 10 and the Member threshold should be around 30.  I am preparing a post with these and other suggestions.

Sure these are kind of discretionary tweaks, and certainly Theymos and/or any other person(s) that he relies upon for recommendations can decide whether they believe that they are tweaks in a direction that would be beneficial to them in terms of the forum.

Since a lot of the decision had already been made to implement this new merit system, I would surmise that the system changing suggestions that are more "tweaking" in nature rather than revolutionary would seem more likely to receive the greater level of receptiveness from Theymos.


 My immediate impetus for making proposals is that I reached the Hero threshold of 500 merit within 27 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, 22 seconds of active posting.  Zero to Hero within four weeks?  That should not be humanly possible.  

Your personal example seems extreme and therefore somewhat anecdotal.  It surely shows what is possible, but you seem more like a bot or a team of 10 rather than a real representative humanoid.  That is supposed to be a joke.. hahahahaha, except the truth of the matter is that we should be attempting to draw from the more common experiences, even if there can be some outliers and even some models to aspire to, but most humans are somewhat flawed, and there are problems with expecting perfection when dealing with a large number of peeps.


Adjustments are needed at the high and low ends; I do think the middle ranks’ thresholds are appropriate.

Could be... sounds like a discretionary matter too.   Without really seeing how this plays out, I personally do think that the merit thresholds do seem to increase quite a lot quickly, and they seem a bit high in my thinking, even though we know that it is quite possible to earn a decent amount of merits in a short time, the more regular and normal usage might not presume averaging more than 10-20 merits per month, depending on whether members are not going to hoard smerits and whether sources are going to be able to reach out enough in order to circulate enough merits that end up with decent levels of additional smerits to keep quality contributions from being overlooked.



(<whine>The earliest I can actually rank up to Hero will be Activity Period 1283, which will start during 12 March 2019.  The activity system is oppressive to new users!  Legendaries push everybody else down!</whine>)

It seems to me that the merit system was added to supplement the ranking up, but not to anyhow change the activity level requirements - however there may have been some concerns regarding phasing out some aspect of the trust system, perhaps?

Regarding your personal situation.  I doubt that you would really need to receive an expedited actual ranking up in order to be appreciated for the number of merits that you receive - however it could be possible that either algorithmically or discretionarily that Theymos might look at some high merit statuses in order permit them to rank up more expeditiously based on their high level of merits.. whether that is a 2x consideration or a 3x or some other formula that might be deemed fair and reasonable.





Edit:  As for “better quality posts right from the start”, it is good for new users to lurk awhile.  Some do that by reading the forum for months (or even years) without making an account; they (we) can make good posts “right from the start”.  Vide my debut post in Development & Technical Discussion, three days after I started actively posting.  It discusses covert ASICBOOST, quotes gmaxwell from bitcoin-dev, speaks about miners’ job of BFT transaction ordering—all to analyze the ulterior motives of people who hate Segwit.  Is that a “Newbie” post, in any sense?  Whereas users who make an account as soon as they find the forum, and especially those who are totally new to Bitcoin, should surely be kept at Newbie rank for awhile.  They are newbies!  Nothing wrong with that; we all start somewhere.




Again, we get to the idea of whether the perfection is the enemy of the good.  Sure on a personal aspiration and from making a good first (and perhaps lasting) impression, then it is good for posters to aspire to quality posts because their history could likely follow them forever, and whether going back and deleting post would help may be a messy kind of process rather than just letting post history stand, "right out of the starting gate."


I wanted to reply to some others upthread, but thus far—well, priorities.

Thanks for taking me out of order... hahahahahhaha   Wink   By the way, I share with others in my enjoyment in reading a lot of your posts, and surely each of us need not agree with all the points made in any post in order to recognize substantive contributions (and even art sometimes) that goes into creating decent and good posts (whether they are perfect or not.. in their time)  
19238  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 26, 2018, 11:36:06 PM
I think there should be some easy way to earn merit without being spotted by source to post quality response, probably achieving some numbers of activity for some period of time, logging in in one day earn 1 merit, curating good, quality, highest quality post, correcting non English speaker post grammar or anything that does not depends on other people giving out merit, task that members can do on their own to earn merit, probably steemit system can be employed here to increase overall effectiveness of rewarding system, right now the only way to earn merit is quality post and being spotted by merit source and the merit source must be willing and have time to give merit which make it probably only 1% of this forum members capable of, but probability of that happen probably 0.001% only as demonstrated by so many long winding post without any merit given.


I must admire you for your long-ass sentence.... reminds me of my own style, somewhat.

You may be correct that there is some deficiencies in this newly implemented system that relies to some degree to be spotted and appreciated by other members in order to receive merit - yet you suggest a shortage of smerits that is not yet proven by evidence and you also seem to suggest that some merit sources would be reluctant to give out merit.  I would presume that Theymos is choosing merit sources who are more likely to be ready, willing and able to give out their smerits and if they are not giving out their smerits, then they would likely lose their source status.  Furthermore, you also seem to be presuming that members are going to hoard their smerits, and sure there may be some logical expectation that some members will hoard some smerits, yet if they continue to receive merits for their posts, then they continue to accumulate smerits, and it seems less  likely that in the long term they are going to consider scarcity in smerits, especially if they are earning smerits (through their posts) on a regular basis.

One month into this whole process seems a bit early to come to some of the conclusions that you have made, and even you may be lacking considerable amounts of factual evidence to even be logically making some of your assertions.... but let's see, let's see.. you may be correct about some of your above asserted points.



I believe there is some people with quality content/idea just get put off by the restriction of their ranking although he is a good contributor

case as example:


Development team of new alt coin using new account will be limited to few post for certain period of time and no link/image allowed, if he stuck at Newbie rank probably for long period of time because nobody care to give him merit, that just hinder productive discussion.

Your example does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense because you seem to assume that some newbie member has good intentions, a good system, a right to come into this forum and have credibility to pump his shit coin merely because he has a lot of supposedly good ideas.  Your framing of the hypothetical assumes to be true (good credibility and knowledge and intentions of the newbie member), and it seems to me that the merit system is conceptualized as a way to for newbies to actually establish their credibility, intentions and knowledge and the merit system is meant to battle against the exact problem that you are assuming away in your framing of your hypothetical good intentioned newbie.  

In my humble bumble (or maybe not so humble.. hahahahaha), if some newbie fuck has some decent, good and well intentioned ideas and wants to pump some shitty coin (or possibly good coin, as you presume), then yeah, it is likely a whole hell-of-a-lot better that s/he/it goes through the motions and process of building up some reputation and credibility on the forum by earning some merits before being granted some free reign to promote his/her bullshit (even if the bullshit, as you are hypothesizing it to be in your example, happens to be good, well-intended and smart).

TLDR: In my opinion, the presumption about newbie members should not be that they are honorable, well-intended, good, smart, blah blah blah.. because that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.  Contrarily, we also do not presume newbies to be dishonorable, bad-intended, mischevious, evil, dumb, blah blah blah and that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.


Edit:
[edited out]
@theymos:  Please add a merit requirement for reaching Jr. Member status.  Thanks.

Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....
19239  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's Merit source application on: February 25, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
Well theymos rarely replies or reacts when you just make a thread, might as well send a PM with a link to this thread, don't expect a reply though.
Theymos has seen the "Unofficial merit source application thread":

Do you have a link to the thread that you referred to as the "Unofficial merit source application thread?"


Edit:     I found it:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823944.msg28929005#msg28929005
19240  Other / Meta / Re: Joel_Jantsen's Merit Distribution Thread (Newbies Welcome) on: February 25, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941741;sa=showPosts

This guy should be banned probably)

the longest message is 7 words long.

There has to be something else going on in order to get banned.

Merely writing short posts would not rise to the level of banning a member; however, I gather that you are saying that the member is engaging in a kind of shit poster behavior, but in my opinion the posts are not so egregious as to constitute "shit posting."  Of course, others may differ in their opinions, and ultimately the opinions that matter are the mods/admins. 
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