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1961  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 12, 2022, 11:48:00 PM
It was not luck, but hard work and great strategy for Morocco. I guess the big teams just assumed Morocco would be an easy win, and then got a surprise defeat.
Indeed. The big teams probably assume Morocco is an easy opponent since Morocco has no superstar and most of them are just average players. Even Bono and En-Nesyri are Sevilla players which are in the relegation zone in La Liga. In theory, these players are not in the best form to play in this world cup tournament. Only Hakim Ziyech and Achraf Hakimi are strong players on this team.

Cristiano Ronaldo was absolutely shocked when they scored and when Portugal lost. He couldn't believe it.
It is probably the last time C. Ronaldo plays in a world cup tournament. He must expect much to reach the final round and win the title. Especially with the current squad of Portugal that has many talented and famous players, it is actually quite strong to reach the final at least. Sadly, Morocco surprised them with En-Nesyri's goal. And Ronaldo can't make a single goal until the match was over. He must be very disappointed.

So I think France has to take them seriously, otherwise Morocco will continue to destroy superstars...
Sure, France must be careful. Morocco isn't a weak team anymore.
I believe France won't make the same mistake as Spain and Portugal. They know how to reach the final since they are the finalist and the winner of the previous world cup tournament.  Wink

1962  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am I right or wrong on: December 12, 2022, 11:34:46 PM
There is a saying that " if you can't beat them, you join them " ,is this what's going on with Btc and our government?

You can't confuse me that the government aren't buying Bitcoin too, since they knew that this is the real power back to the people, something they really can't control, I'm guessing the only option they have is to join?
A perfect example of this matter is EL Salvador. The government clearly invests in Bitcoin, even the president becomes the promotor. Previously, I heard an issue that other countries may follow it, too. Unfortunately, I never heard the issue anymore during the huge decrease in BTC value currently. I assume other countries think El Salvador has failed in BTC investment.

To be honest, I don't want the government to join BTC investment. They will use their power to influence BTC price movement.
Also, I can't imagine if many governments in the world are investing in BTC, they may use BTC as a political tool to achieve their own purpose.
At the end of the day, BTC can't achieve what Satoshi wants, it is probably used in the wrong way.

Governments don't need to buy or join any of the Bitcoin movement because they can just regulate them.
Government can't regulate BTC, they only can regulate its legality, CEXs, or crypto taxes.
BTC is always decentralized, no one and no institution regulates/controls BTC movements.

1963  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: One Month of Accepting Bitcoin for Payment on: December 12, 2022, 10:55:18 PM
Regardless of whether he comes from a country that legalizes bitcoin or not as a means of payment, the OP's efforts can be considered as brave efforts. Bitcoin will only be adopted when a person, group of people, or company believes in bitcoin as a secure means of payment.
Yep, it is a brave effort. As I said, it is a great effort, too.
However, to make the effort achieves the target and doesn't stop very early, we need to know that the effort doesn't break the laws. I'm sure OP doesn't want to make useless efforts and it even makes a bad reputation for BTC on the society. So, besides ensuring that the bussiness is in the proper environment (where people are quite familiar with BTC), we also need to ensure that it doesn't break local regulation or laws.

My question for OP, have you ever had a customer who paid you with bitcoin as long as you adopted it as a means of payment?
OP has told us that he already have 13 customers.
Please check this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425961.msg61424365#msg61424365

The first payment I received was from a customer who saw my notice; after he inquired if he could make his payment in Bitcoin, I agreed. The second customer was referred to my shop, as he told me. That's just how it started, and before I knew it, it increased to 5 and then to 13.

CMIIW

1964  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 11, 2022, 11:59:09 PM
According to mirror.uk PSG is going for Marcus Rashford who is currently 25.
The price should not be high since his contract will expire this summer, so he has only 6 months before becoming a free agent.
His contract will expire in June, 2023. But I doubt if Man United will let him leave at a cheap price.
Rashford is Man United main striker now, his role is crucial after Ronaldo is no longer Man United player. Also, Rashford is still young and showed good performance lately, his market price should increase. So, I assume Man United will try to keep him and only wants to let him go at a big price. Rashford's current market price is around €55m, but I guess Man United wants €80m+ for his transfer fees.

Check: https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcus-rashford/profil/spieler/258923

1965  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 11, 2022, 11:49:47 PM
Morocco might've got this win as a lucky one. From the very beginning we can't say the team have reached the semifinals out of luck. In every round Morocco have given the best and have reached the semifinals. Surely Morocco will reach the finals. This is my choice out of fluke, and lets wait for two more days to know the outcome.
Many people assume they win because of luck. But I think it is a subjective assumption.
Morocco defeated Belgium in the group stage, defeated Spain in the round of 16, and they defeated Portugal in the quarter-finals. We can say they are just lucky to win in 1 match. But winning in 3 matches from big teams, can't be said a luck factor. Morocco wins because they can play solidly as a team and they have a strong mentality.

Yep, Morocco has done their best efforts, they reached the semifinals because of their hard work. I really expect that this team can reach the final round, so there will be another surprise in this world cup tournament. However, in theory, they are almost impossible to win against France. France is the defending champion and they have a too strong squad.

1966  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: One Month of Accepting Bitcoin for Payment on: December 11, 2022, 11:30:23 PM
What you did is one of a great effort to support Bitcoin adoption as a payment tool. As long as you know well how to deal with the price volatility of BTC, using BTC as a payment tool will be safe enough. But don't forget that you need to know the regulation related to the use of BTC as a payment tool in your country. Anyway, where do you come from? This is necessary to know to avoid a legal problem. I also have the intention to follow your effort (accept BTC as a payment tool in our bussiness), sadly it can't be applied here because it breaks the laws.

*Nice effort, mate.  Wink

1967  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 09, 2022, 09:26:06 PM
Perumpamaan yang sangat masuk akal, setelah pihak berwenang menghentikan seluruh aktivitas Binance di Indonesia, mereka menempuh jalur lain untuk masuk ke Indonesia. Salah satu jalan yang ditempuh dengan menggaet Tokocrypto untuk bekerja sama, ketika mereka telah merasa kuat dan siap melakukan bisnis di Indonesia akan mengambil alih seluruh aset dengan meng-akuisisi Tokocrypto. Binance berperan seperti parasit, awalnya mereka berperan sebagai tamu, kemudian tuan rumah akan diusir secara pelan-pelan.
Saya kira tidak seperti itu keadaannya. Saya juga sedikit meragukan jika Binance benar-benar mau mengakuisisi Tokocrypto sepenuhnya. Karena jika Tokocrypto ini menjadi milik Binance sepenuhnya, Bappebti mungkin saja menghentikan seluruh aktivitas Tokocrypto. Alasannya karena dengan status akuisisi penuh Binance, itu sama saja berarti dengan Binance cabang Indonesia. Beda halnya dengan status saat ini yang Binance hanya menjadi mitra dari Tokocrypto, bukan pemilik Tokocrypto.

BTW, klaim Binance seperti parasit ini menurut saya tidak benar. Toh Binance lah yang menjadi salah satu faktor yang membuat Tokocrypto bisa mengalahkan dominasi Indodax. Kemitraan Tokocrypto & Binance ini sejatinya menguntungkan kedua belah pihak, tidak ada pihak yang seperti diperalat oleh pihak lain. Atau bahkan seolah-olah dipaksa menyerahkan kepemilikan Tokocrypto. Misalnya pun pada akhirnya Tokocrypto diakuisisi Binance, pasti itu melalui proses negosiasi atau tawar-menawar antara kedua belah pihak.

1968  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 09, 2022, 08:59:50 PM
I just can't take this result man. Croatia just parked the bus and somehow carried the game to the penalty shoot-outs. This is like the most boring kind of game strategy I have ever seen. Of course I know that they were the underdog and they needed to play more carefully. But I just don't believe they deserved to advance.
Even if Croatia tactic is boring, it is the best way that they can do to deal with Brazil. If they didn't use the tactic "parked the bus", Brazil attackers will be easy to defeat them. We know that Brazil has great attackers, Croatia cannot play against them with an offensive tactic. A defensive tactic such as parked the bus", is the most realistic strategy to choose. At the end of the day, "parked the bus" tactic makes Croatia win, right?  Wink

It is a huge disappointment for Brazil. They really tried their best from the beginning to the end. Neymar's goal was a result of a great organization and I was like "That's it!". But Croatia still scored the goal somehow. Brazil needed to be more aware in defense after getting ahead.
Brazil has tried their best efforts, we shouldn't feel disappointed with them. In my opinion, Brazil is just unlucky in penalty shoot-outs. We must appreciate what they have done today.

Argentina has scored the 2nd goal through Messi which means Netherland failed to go to the semi finals and they will fight against Croatia
we will look forward to France and Portugal, which in my opinion one of them will go to the final.
If Argentina can keep their lead with 1 goal until the end of the match, they will go to the semi-final round. Yep, they seem to play against France or Portugal in the final round if they can beat Croatia in the next round. However, don't underestimate Croatia, they are very possible to end Argentina in the semi-final round.

1969  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: My advice If you are here to make money on: December 09, 2022, 06:57:53 PM
Keep your focus on how to make money.
Dont try to predict Market too much.
What do you mean, mate?
I don't think predicting market trends is a problem. It is the way to know your opportunity to buy or sell. Predicting is a necessary part of trading or investment. If you can't predict the market trends, you don't know when the best time to collect crypto assets and take the profits.

Stay away from btc If you are futures trader btc moving too slow.
Almost all crypto coins move slowly in the current market condition, not only BTC.
If you are not familiar with future trading, sure you need to stay away. But if you know well it, why do you need to stay away?

Most important in crypto is stable income everyday.
If you are trading crypto coins, you can't expect stable income.
For me, the income from crypto trading is always hard to predict. Crypto price is very volatile and the market trend is unpredictable. It is the factor to make it difficult to get a stable income in crypto trading.

1970  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Every crypto newbies need to know this on: December 09, 2022, 06:31:37 PM
If you really believe in Bitcoin, then even 50% is too little - although that is the decision of each individual. For some, it may be too much, especially in the time we are in now, because some have a hard time bearing the fact that their investment has lost value and that they cannot know when it will reach the desired value again.
Yep. If you are an experienced investor, 50% is probably not enough. But if it is for newbies, 50% is very very enough, it is even too much as you stated above. At the newbie level, it is better to use a small number of funds. Learning should be the focus, not the potential profits. Only people who have enough experience and knowledge, can consider using 50% of their funds for Bitcoin or altcoins investment. We all believe in Bitcoin future, but sometimes newbies often panic when the price drops drastically. They can fail to take profits if they sell their BTC or altcoins in panic. A newbie needs sufficient experience and knowledge to be a strong holder.

1971  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Banks do not want bitcoin to become popular on: December 08, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Bro 5000 $ is impossible if the Bitcoin somehow crass 10000$ it would be the start of a new bull run. It's crypto no one knows any think about it. But 5000$ is not possible.
It isn't impossible, but it is unlikely to happen because it seems too far from the current price. We know that Bitcoin never dropped instantly by a big percentage in a short time, it should drop gradually. The first period of bearish is almost over, the next year should be a better time for Bitcoin. It ideally increases to $17k+, not to drop to below $10k. We can predict BTC to increase deeper when we just begin the bearish season. But when it is in the middle of the bearish season, ideally the price to increase in the next few months. So, if Standard Chartered bank states that BTC to drop to $5k, it isn't because they know it from a certain analysis but it only FUDS to make people stay away from BTC investment.

What banks?
OP said standard chartered bank. Check again the thread on the first page!



@noormcs5, where is the link to the article?
I think you should enclose the link on the thread, it is needed to complete the picture.


1972  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 08, 2022, 11:49:42 PM
Im not sure about that. The bookmakers gave good odds for portugal. I think that if that portugal will be so easy to win against morocco. Portugal was not spain and there was also a chance for ronaldo to be a starting line up. that will boost the performance from the team. It seems like that bookmakers didn't believe with morocco to be able to win against portugal. I have picked portugal in this match over morocco. Let's see what's gonna happen with the match but im sure that 99% portugal will be winning in the upcoming match for sure.
Portugal is clearly stronger than Morocco. So, we can assume that Portugal will win against Morocco, especially after an impressive performance of Portugal in the last match. Morocco could beat Spain, but don't forget that they beat Spain in the penalty shootout. Also, Spain isn't at their best squad, many of the players are young players with a lack experience of the international matches. While Portugal is in their best squad and their players are experienced players. That makes me also think the same as you, Portugal should be the winner in the upcoming match (Portugal vs Morocco).

1973  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 08, 2022, 11:14:48 PM
Menarik diikuti perkembangan harga untuk tiga tahun lagi yaitu 2023, 2024 dan 2025 ~
Yang menarik bagi saya, potensi harga BTC pasca halving di tahun 2024-2025.
Sedangkan untuk tahun 2023, kemungkinan tidak akan jauh berbeda dengan tahun ini karena memang masih di periode bearish. Apalagi ada isu resesi di tahun 2023, potensi harga naik signigfikan sepertinya masih sulit.

Jika 2023 harga Bitcoin bisa meningkat 3x dari harga saat ini, maka ATH baru akan segera datang.
Dalam pemikiran awam saya, tidak ada triggernya harga BTC bisa up 3x di tahun 2023. Kalau yang diyakini halving BTC sebagai trigger bullish dari cycle bullrun 4 tahunan, itu baru terjadi di tahun 2024. Kemungkinan naik 3x ada di tahun 2024-2025, cek lagi history ATH BTC dan kaitannya dengan halving.

Saya sendiri masih yakin dengan siklus tahunan dan harga ATH terbaru Bitcoin akan berada dibawah harga $100K.
Menurut logika awam kita, next ATH BTC kemungkinan masih di kisaran $100k. Tapi nyatanya kalau dihitung secara matematis berpotensi mencapai $200k seperti yang dijelaskan Om @Chikito di atas. Karena BTC ini volatilitasnya tinggi dan tidak ada yang mengatur batas ATH, semuanya mungkin saja terjadi. Cuman untuk lebih aman, jangan pasang harga sell semua BTC di harga yang terlalu muluk. Mending plan sell bertahap, jangan sampe gagal sell semua BTCnya karena terlalu yakin BTC bisa sampe $100k seperti rumor di periode bullrun sebelumnya.  Grin

1974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Bearish market the right time to buy coins? on: December 07, 2022, 11:59:11 PM
The current investment trend is those who have full control, the intention is that we are not dependent on other parties or difficulties when we want to sell, cryptocurrencies have a very large marketcap so that we are worthy of choosing, the global economic conditions that recession do not prevent the performance of cryptocurrrrrencies to continue to shine.
I am not really sure that I get your point. But if you mean about the global economic condition, it always brings an impact on crypto investment. Although the impact isn't for the long run, it can influence crypto trend temporarily. Sure, we are decentralized, we don't depend on any party. However, crypto investors can't separate their crypto investment from the situation in real life. Once there is a recession, investors must prefer to strengthen their savings. So, they may move some of their funds in crypto assets to fiats. Investors cannot ignore urgent/basic necessities, sometimes must prioritize them. In this situation, the demand for crypto purchasing may decrease. So, there is a possible decline in crypto market.

IMO
1975  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 07, 2022, 11:56:53 PM
The match between Portugal vs Morocco became difficult to predict after Morocco stopped Spain in the last 16. The Morocco vs Spain match took many victims on the bet. Most people believe that Spain will win the match. This condition also makes it difficult for us to predict the next match between Portugal vs Morocco. At the 2018 world cup, Portugal narrowly won over Morocco, of course at that time the Portuguese star Cristiano Ronaldo was still performing very well compared to today.
It is debatable when people think it is difficult to predict the result of the match Portugal vs Morocco.
For me, it is clear that Portugal has a bigger chance to win because Portugal has a better squad and they just played impressively. They even don't rely on Ronaldo anymore, they already have many top players. Gonçalo Ramos, Bruno Fernandes, João Félix, Rafael Leão, and Guerreiro seem to perform better than Ronaldo in the current world cup tournament. Just look at their stats!

In my opinion, Netherlands vs Argentina and England vs France are more difficult to predict. All of them are big teams and they have quality players in all lines (defense, midfield, attacking), also they performed well lately. I assume the winner of these matches are the teams that have better preparation and play more confidently.



I guess the 4 teams in the semifinal round are Portugal, Netherlands, France, and Brazil.  Grin

1976  Economy / Economics / Re: 5 things you should not do with your money to get rich on: December 07, 2022, 11:04:25 PM
What OP listed are definitely 5 things you should not do with your money, in my opinion. They won't get you rich, but I'm not sure the title was to be taken literally anyway. It's mostly about managing your money, the way I understand and I have to say - good tips. When it comes to getting rich, starting your own business is a way to go, but it does take time and requires some sacrificing ("some" being an understatement in most cases).
You are right, mate. I also think it is actually the point of the topic above.
However, the title makes some people mislead the point.
5 things you should not do with your money to get rich or advance your lives
They may assume it is the way to get rich or to gain their wealth. Whereas it is actually the way to manage money, so we don't waste money on unnecessary things.

Well, I agree that to be rich, it is not enough by having a proper way in managing money only. The first thing to do is to make efforts that can gain big money, running a business is surely one of the ways. Sure, to be successful in a bussiness, it requires hard work, patience, commitment, and trust.

1977  Economy / Economics / Re: 5 things you should not do with your money to get rich on: December 06, 2022, 11:56:54 PM
I have tried many of the techniques above but the result is that I am not rich yet. It is very easy to find a theory to get rich, but it seems that being rich is a mystery that is difficult to solve. I have a friend who, judging from the theory above, is not suitable, but he can be rich and I asked the thing he replied was to dare to take risks in everything.
Being rich sometimes is about fortune, this is something you can't force into your life. However, making efforts is a must, we don't know the result if we don't do anything. Some people do hard work to be rich, but they still can't be rich people. But at least, we can improve a bit our economic level if we do hard efforts. I'm sure we must have progress (improvement) in our economic level although we still can't be called as "rich people".

Regarding taking risks to be rich, it is a part of efforts. Your friend does the right way, to get a big thing we must take risks. For example, we expect to gain big money from our investment. Buying Bitcoin now as an investment is surely very risky because it is very volatile and unpredictable. But it offers a possible big money if we succeed to sell it in the next bullrun. Not everyone wants to do this, it is only for a person who braves to take a risk.

1978  Other / Meta / Re: Deleting Topic/Thread Without Notice To The OP on: December 06, 2022, 10:57:58 PM
Is it ideal that a topic with up to 3(three) pages of comments would be deleted without notifying  or any form notice to the OP.
If the topic was similar to some previous topics, then I think it is fair to remove it without notice. It is a must to check everything (existing topics) before creating a topic (thread), so don't blame the moderator removes it if we made a mistake. I guess you know the reason is, the moderator doesn't need to inform you, mate.

What do you guys think about this?, I really don't know how this makes me feel right now, sad or happy I can't tell, really.
Why feel sad? It is something usual, almost all members ever experienced the same thing (got deleted comments).
Just take a lesson, mate!! Be more careful before creating any thread.

1979  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: I want to ask, at the end of the bitcoin and altcoin year, will the price go up on: December 06, 2022, 10:37:09 PM
I think we may end this year around 19-20k dollars level because of issues with FTX and Gemini.
Have you checked the current BTC price? It is below $17k. Since we almost reach the second week of December, I doubt BTC price possibly achieves 19k-20k at the end of this year. I assume that BTC price probably increases to 17k-18k, or it drops again to $15k - $16k.

Most people prefer trading methods (like shorting or buying low selling high) to make money instead investing and believing in a project.
Do you mean the "scalping method"?
Since the current market looks very unpredictable, short-time trading is the most proper way to earn money. That's why many people choose daily trading with the scalping method. The risk is quite small although they only get small profits.

Although if we look at brighter side, markets are in "extreme fear" levels so best time to buy some coins.
Yep. FUD is everywhere, people are afraid to invest their money in crypto. That triggers a huge drop in crypto prices. Sure, it is a good time to buy as many as coins, but make sure to buy at the right time. If you think there is a possibility of more drops, just wait for the dumps. Don't hurry to spend your funds, better to buy gradually.

1980  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Qatar world cup Final Predictions on: December 06, 2022, 10:17:33 PM
France has performed surprisingly well so far in this tournament. Despite the absence of some of their key players such as Benzema and Pogba, the younger players have managed to keep the team balance intact. And now Kylian Mbappé has emerged as the top scorer in this edition of the world cup, with 5 goals to his name. It is going to be very difficult for England to win this match against France. England looked like they are in good shape during the group stage and PQF, but their team balance is not as good as France.
Yep. France performed very well so far, it is what people expected. Sure, it is actually not very surprising because France is the winner of the world cup tournament previously (2018). By the way, they have no problem with the absence of Benzema and Pogba. France has many top attackers and they have Rabiot to replace Pogba's role in the midfield line. France's current squad is more than enough to defeat England team, even there are some top players who sit on the bench because of too many top players in France squad.  Grin

Morocco will face Portugal in the quarter-finals. morocco can make a big surprise at this qatar world cup where it managed to overthrow the best team in the world cup. even this victory is also a signal that nothing is impossible if they are able to play better in the next game. but portugal is a tough opponent for morocco but they can make a bigger surprise if morocco can beat portugal.
Morocco already surprised us when they become the leader of group F and defeated Spain today. I am sure that not many people predicted Morocco to play impressively and can reach the quarter-finals round. In this round, they will play Portugal which is very ambitious to win the world cup title and has a stronger squad. I think Morocco will be difficult to defeat Portugal since Portugal has experienced players, it won't be the same as Spain which relies on young players. Personally, I assume Morocco will end their dream in this round.

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