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1801  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: January 01, 2023, 11:59:26 PM
Chelsea had a bad day though I expected them to win against Nottingham Forest, but they ended up drawing. Chelsea must raise their game and utilize on the few chances they have to win games in order to remain in the top four title race in the Premier League. I expect them to play better in their next match because they will be facing a stronger team than today's.
Yep, it is a really bad day.
They performed badly, just look at the stats. According to stats, Nottm Forest is simply better than Chelsea in this match. They made more shot attempts although they didn't dominate the ball possessions. Chelsea only won the ball possession, but they failed to make enough shot attempts. I don't know what tactic they used, but it is not an effective tactic to beat Nottm. Also, I was surprised that Aubameyang was on the bench and Chelsea has no pure CF in the starting lineup. Potter also didn't include Ziyech in the starting lineup and he prefers to use 2 defensive midfielders. Well, it is a bit strange, why Potter applied a defensive lineups to play against a weak team like Nottm Forest.  Roll Eyes

1802  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading With Borrowed Funds!!! on: January 01, 2023, 11:57:19 PM
Borrowing money to invest in bitcoin is not recommended because it is a risky investment that might cost you everything. Bitcoin is meant to be a long-term investment. I think you should think twice before doing so since you cannot forecast the price of bitcoin; it is usually preferable to utilize an investment fund that is set apart specifically for that purpose so that you can hold it easily. and don't end up selling everything at loss just to pay back a loan.
Bitcoin investment is a high risk, not only risky.
That's why people always state that "only use the money that you afford to lose".
It is because no guarantee for profits and Bitcoin price is unpredictable. Although we know Bitcoin has 4 years cycle, no one knows if it will always repeat or not. Borrowing money for BTC investment just makes it riskier and makes you more stressed.

1803  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Isu Resesi 2023, Peluang Beli Bitcoin? on: January 01, 2023, 11:45:17 PM
Tepat, meski kami tinggal di desa yang terbilang jauh dari kota, informasi masih bisa disantap karena tekhnologi telah tembus ke seluruh pelosok desa. Saran positif dari agen setidaknya ada sedikit keterkaitan dengan isu resesi, meskipun belum pasti terjadi.
Setidaknya masyarakat sekitar saya tinggal telah melakukan antisipasi dini.
Iya, informasi mudah diterima saat ini karena hampir setiap rumah punya medianya (Radio, HP, Laptop/PC, TV).
Kalau dulu, media-media tersebut jarang ada yang punya bahkan ada yang belum ada. Informasi cuman kita terima dari radio atau koran, yang notabenenya tidak seefektif HP, Laptop/PC, atau TV.

Saya apresiasi agennya, dia setidaknya peduli dengan nasib petani beras. Mereka melakukan tindakan preventif untuk berjaga-jaga misalnya resesi beneran kejadian. Walaupun ada juga imbas negatifnya dari hal ini, yaitu harga beras mulai naik karena stock di pasaran berkurang.

Masyarakat sudah kenyang dengan janji manis dari mereka yang tak pernah kunjung ditepati.
Lebih tepatnya "sudah muak".  Grin
Terlalu banyak kepentingan golongan, hasilnya kepentingan masyarakat menjadi nomer sekian.

Pemerintah mendorong rakyatnya untuk mandiri, namun karena bingung rakyatnya harus kerja ngapain, sehingga rakyat-rakyat ini cari jalan singkat main judi online, slot dan sebagainya supaya dapur tetap ngebul ditengah hantaman inflasi.
Gimana masyarakatnya gak bingung kalau pemerintah cuman mendorong masyarakat untuk mandiri tanpa ngasih solusi masyarakat harus ngapain. Kelaupun ada, pemerintah cuman ngasih BLT. Padahal yang penting bukan uangnya, tapi perkerjaan yang bisa menjamin masyarakat untuk mandiri. BLT jauh dari kata solutif, cuman ngabisin anggaran negara tok.



*Sorry OP kalau rada2 melenceng dari topik.

1804  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 30, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
Somehow Real Madrid had difficulty scoring goals less than 25 minutes of the match will end so will both teams draw?
even though Madrid needs 3 points to take over the standings. Barcelona will be happy with this draw and they can keep the points
Yep, Real Madrid attackers seem very difficult to score. It is already minute 70' but there is still no goal.
Ancelotti already changed some players, he is trying to make Real Madrid more offensive. Replace Asensio with Rodrygo is a good idea, Rodrygo naturally plays more energic. Real Madrid needs attackers who can play more energic and more offensively to create as many as shot opportunities. They need a goal, 3 points is a must if they are still eager in the race for La Liga title.

1805  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Isu Resesi 2023, Peluang Beli Bitcoin? on: December 30, 2022, 09:48:13 PM
Kami yang tinggal di desa mulai terasa akibat isu resesi, meski resesi belum ada sebuah kebenaran akan terjadi, masyarakat di desa sudah mulai ketar ketir akibat meningkatnya beberapa item kebutuhan pokok. Dari hasil panen kemaren sebagian masyarakat menyimpan beras lebih banyak dari biasanya, agen-agen yang membeli gabah menyarankan kami agar jangan menjual seluruh gabah dari hasil panen karena beras akan naik kedepannya.

Benar saja, kita harus berpikir sendiri-sendiri bagaimana caranya bisa bertahan saat ekonomi lagi sempit. Belum lagi barang-barang dari hasil kebun kami nilai jualnya makin murah sedangkan untuk membeli kebutuhan lain harganya makin tinggi, kalau sudah begini kita harus nafsi-nafsi, percuma menaruh harapan pada pemerintah, toh mereka lagi sibuk dengan kampanye.
Kalau masyarakat meningkatkan jumlah simpanan beras, itu sebenarnya imbas positif. Masyarakat menjadi lebih peduli terhadap ketahanan pangan mereka, kedepannya mereka tidak akan kesulitan meskipun resesi benar-benar terjadi. Sekalipun itu tidak terjadi, mereka tidak akan rugi, malahan mereka punya stock berlimpah untuk pangan.

Beda hal dengan di kota, Om. Di kota isu resesi membuat banyak perusahaan yang mengurangi jumlah pekerja. Mereka mencoba untuk mengurangi beban pengeluaran perusahaan. Hasilnya, jumlah pengangguran menjadi meningkat di kota, banyak yang kehilangan sumber pencarian saat ini. Padahal, di sisi lain, harga-harga kebutuhan bahan pokok sudah naik cukup drastis.

Mengenai harga hasil kebun yang semakin murah, ini cerita klasik (bukan baru ini saja terjadi). Contoh ketika petani panen kedelai, anehnya malah pemerintah import kedelai. Gimana harga kedelai lokal gak turun, kalau stocknya melimpah karena import dari pemerintah. Ini kan konyol, to?  Roll Eyes

1806  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin survived the Christmas market pressure on: December 30, 2022, 09:40:55 PM
This year Bitcoin price is stabilized at around 16,000 + which is a good resistant level and a benchmark that represents previous years' bullish all-time high price.
Is this an indication of the bullish market in the year 2023 where Bitcoin will break 20,000 in the early weeks of the year?
NO, Bitcoin price is never stable around $16k all year round. The price is stuck around $16k-$17k just in the last few months of this year. It seems to have no change until this year is over, Bitcoin price will stay around $16k at the end of the last day of 2022. Well, I'm not surprised about this, 2022 is the first year of the bearish season, so we can't hope for a significant change at the end of this year.

I don't think BTC price will pass $20k in the early weeks of 2023. It requires time, if there is a lot of good news, $20k may be achieved in the second month or third month of 2023.

1807  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 30, 2022, 09:29:42 PM
I hopelessly waited until the last minute for Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Real Madrid, but I knew as time passed that this transfer was becoming impossible. Top-level teams did not want to see Cristiano Ronaldo in their squad and did not try to transfer him during the transfer period. Al Nasr's interest in him was not to be taken lightly either. Cristiano Ronaldo did the best he could...

It doesn't matter where the king goes, we will go there as well. Smiley
TBH, I also expect him to play in Real Madrid again, but it seems Real Madrid management doesn't want to try Ronaldo's reunion with his friends in Real Madrid squad. I am sure Ronaldo still has his great ability as a top striker and he is also still a disciplined player. However, Real Madrid has their own plan, they may plan to sign another big player. If they sign Mbappe, Ronaldo may have no place in the squad because of too many top strikers. Another reason is probably the salary. Ronaldo's salary seems too big for Real Madrid, they don't want to pay big money for an old player like Ronaldo. So, Ronaldo has no chance in Real Madrid now, it is much better to accept a big offer from Al Nassr.

Hopefully, Ronaldo can get his glorious days back in the Arabic league!!

1808  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling For Fun - What Does This Mean To You? on: December 30, 2022, 09:17:11 PM
I personally think that the phrase "gambling for fun" is widely misunderstood by many gamblers.
They think gambling for fun means gambling without any interest or hunger for profit, no body enjoys loosing money, and this in the other way simply means, loosing money is never fun, but how we choose to react is what makes the difference...
I wil tell you all what gambling for fun means to me personally..
You have your own perception of "gambling for fun", while others have their own perception of it. You can't claim others have the wrong perception, they may have a different goal in gambling. So, never generalize the meaning of "gambling for fun".

Sure, no one is happy if he gets a loss. Losing money always hurts us. However, you can expect to always win, it is something impossible to happen in gambling. Personally, I am always trying to enjoy it whether it ends up with losing or winning. When it ends up winning, I'm happy about the prize. When I get a loss, I am trying to accept my loss and still enjoy it because I have played the game with my best effort. In addition, enjoying the game isn't only about the price but it is about how to feel the sense during playing the game.

Well, it is my personal perception about "gambling for fun". I never judge others wrong, it is a personal perception.


1809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The reason Dogecoin could fail in the future on: December 30, 2022, 08:55:26 PM
I think Dogecoin is a very strong project and the main point is that a Alon musk support of this project so they show that it will be a successful project in future.
Dogecoin is only a meme coin, it has no fundamental, mate. And its total supply is unlimited. How can it is a very strong project?
Elon Musk supports it now, but we don't know how long Elon Musk will support Dogecoin. Elon Musk can stop supporting it at any time, if it happens Dogecoin will suddenly drop its price significantly and it probably drops out from the top 10 coins. It is strange if you assume Dogecoin is a very strong crypto project.  Huh

1810  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Isu Resesi 2023, Peluang Beli Bitcoin? on: December 29, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
Btw kalau search "resesi 2023"
Beritanya ada terus euy, malah sekarang ada yang bilang "dunia pasti resesi 2023" kacau dah berita sekarang.
Itu isu menarik, makanya banyak yang goreng beritanya.
Gak heran kalo ngetik keyword itu baik via google search, YT, atau media lain bakal banyak sumbernya.
Entah ini drama baru dari elit global atau memang akan terjadi tanpa manipulasi, ada baiknya untuk siap siaga. Sama kayak Covid-19, kita yang cuman rakyat biasa tetap bakal kena imbasnya.

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Kalau seperti itu yang terjadi, itu tidak jauh beda dengan situasi di tahun 2020-2021.
Orang-orang lebih memilih crypto untuk investasi karena dipandang cukup tahan terhadap situasi krisis global.
Bahkan pemain Forex dulu pindah haluan ke crypto karena Forex ikutan jeblok.
Ya semoga saja skenario yang sama terulang.

Sekarang ini pemerintah harus cari cara baru untuk mempersiapkan dampak resesi 2023. Apa lagi akan bertepatan dengan pemilu 2024 sehingga pucuk pimpinan dan elite politik pun saya rasa tidak bakal memperdulikan rakyat karena mereka akan sibuk nyari duit buat mereka kampanye sendiri. Sehingga rakyatlah yang harus berjuang di tengah badai ekonomi,
Siapa yang bakal mikirin cara untuk pencegahan resesi, Om?
Jangankan menteri, bahkan pimpinan tertinggi negara mulai sibuk dengan kampanye. Kita pikirin sendiri-sendiri aja gimana caranya bisa tetap narik nafas jika resesi beneran kejadian.  Grin


1811  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 29, 2022, 09:31:58 PM
btw, Atletico Madrid is now playong aginst Elche and the score is currently still draw 0-0. Atletico Madrid must be able to win if we see the squad and Elche is the lowest team. but again, sometimes, Atletico Madrid gives bad surprise.
I don't think this time Atletico will surprise us again by getting a draw or a loss.
They are against the weakest team in La Liga, they dominated the match, and they are leading the number of players (1 Elche player got a red card).
There is no reason for Atletico Madrid to fail of getting 3 points today. It is a must, too bad if they fail. They have a big chance now, even a small team should win in this situation. So, it will a shame if we see a draw or a loss for Atletico Madrid in this match.

1812  Other / Meta / Re: Undo and Redo Symbols on the Standard Tools Bar in BTT on: December 29, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
Yep. For laptops or computers, we can deal with the problem by using Ctrl+Z. While for phone/smartphone, it will be a bit difficult since we are unable to use "Ctrl+Z".  Grin Why don't you copy+paste your post somewhere before you post it? I think it is easy to apply to any phone/smartphone. It is a very basic way, no need for any application. Even if it seems old-fashioned, it is easy to do and applicable.  Smiley

1813  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 29, 2022, 08:53:26 PM
It's true that in a last few seasons of Messi in Barcelona, their quality was lower than what they had in the past with Pep Guardiola and Luiz Enrique as their coaches and with better players, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Eto'o, Suarez, Neymar ... The transfer of Neymar to PSG marks a decreasing quality of Barcelona.

After that Messi carried Barcelona from scoring goals, making key passes, creating chances, controlling match intensity for them. Anyway as a single player, Messi could not bring them to success. Their defense was worse than in the past too.
Barcelona can't get the successors of Xavi and Iniesta, it is not about the decrease in Messi's performance or the bad quality of the coach's strategy. They have no good players who can control the match in the midfield line, no one who can serve Messi as well as Xavi-Iniesta. Even, after Messi was leaving and Xavi became the coach, we never see a solid tiki-taka as previously.

Sure, Messi can't make the success of Barcelona lonely. It is a football game, it is about teamwork.

Xavi is still obsessed with tiki-taka that he is familiar with but he does not have enough ingredients to build a good one with players he has. I don't see too much different in Xavi tiki taka and the past one. Barcelona are playing more directly and using more physical strength in attacking but not different than in the past. At least, they are not too productive to covert ball possession to goals.
Xavi needs time to adopt a new tiki-taka model with new players. And since Barcelona main lineup has some young players, they need more experience to play with the tiki-taka tactic effectively. Honestly, I believe Xavi will lead Barcelona to their best era again if he continues to manage Barcelona. It may be not in the near future (not in this season), but in the next few years.

1814  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading With Borrowed Funds!!! on: December 29, 2022, 07:56:30 PM
I don’t know how confident you need to be, to trade with borrowed money, even if you get lucky once or twice, it can’t be repeated all the time. By the way, I have not seen many examples of people who were able to get rich thanks to trading, this is a very difficult job, and according to statistics, only a few percent of traders earn money, the rest only lose money.
Not sure how many traders can earn enough profits but earning profits is real and very possible.

Sure, not every time we can earn profits in trading. There should be losses, there should be a bad time to trade. Moreover, during this bearish season, the market trend isn't very friendly, sometimes there are big drops and we can't avoid the losses. If we use borrowed money, we don't only get losses but we also can't return the debt.

Trading with borrowed money, even for experienced traders, is a very risky business, and for people with little experience, it will be an almost guaranteed loss of money. In this case, the risk of losing everything will be so great that I would rate the chances of success as zero.
Agree. Even experienced traders can get losses, they are also very risky to use borrowed money. I can't imagine if newbies trade with borrowed money. Maybe the chance to lose the money is around 90%, only 10% chance to succeed. If they continue trading with the borrowed money, it may end up with losing all the money and being trapped in a debt.

1815  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Bloody Year 2022 coming to End on: December 29, 2022, 06:51:03 PM
~~snip~~
Yep. According to the historical factor, what should happen next is as you describe it.
However, there is no guarantee it will repeat again in the same scenario, it is sometimes unpredictable. Crypto trends are influenced by the world situation, it is a very unpredictable factor and may change at any time. But if everything is controlled by the whales, they may try to lead us in the same scenario. They also will take big advantage if the scenario will be the same as previously. Ideally, no whale wants to have a bad crypto year after BTC halving. They should try to lead the market into bullrun period after they bought as many as crypto coins during the bearish season. They need a year for profit accumulation, there should exit time after entry time.

Well, I don't know whether it will rise up to $80k next year but it should be above $20k. 2022 is the first year of bearish season, not surprised to see a drop of more than -75% this year. However, 2023 (next year) is the second year of the bearish season, ideally it begins to increase gradually. I predict that we begin to move up, passing $20k and ready to have a constant raise towards ATH in 2024-2025.

IMHO, CMIIW

1816  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Responsible gambling on: December 28, 2022, 11:59:46 PM
I consider myself a gambling addict. However, unlike gambling addicts, I'm aware of my addiction and I know how to control it. What I love most is playing poker and also sports betting. The latter is the one that screws me the most. Even though, I can get some real good profits,
sometimes I get wild and end up losing all of my money.
As long as you can control it, it is no problem. I assume you are still at a mild addiction level, not a heavy addiction.
Do you still have the ability to manage/limit your funds, right? If you still can limit it and gamble for a certain time only, you won't have a problem with your life. But if it bothers your life, you need to stop it, at least stop it temporarily until you know how to gamble properly.

By the way, all addicts earn profits sometimes but end up with huge losses. It happens because they don't know when to stop, they are always eager to get more and more. They forget that chasing profits won't work in gambling, especially on based-luck games. It is the same as targeting something impossible to achieve.

1817  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 28, 2022, 11:56:36 PM
After Messi's departure, Barcelona have regrouped and are still trying to get sharper.  On the other hand, Real Madrid's players are already well-deserved to win the title.
Even during Messi's last season at Barcelona, Barcelona was no longer like when they have Xavi and Iniesta, Barcelona started to rebuild. They can't rely on tiki-taka anymore, especially when Real Madrid and many other teams know how to break this tactic. So, I don't think Barcelona is regrouped because of Messi's departure, it is because the old tiki-taka era is over. What Xavi (as a coach) rebuilt now, is a new tiki-taka era since it needs some improvement. Old tiki-take only works when Barcelona has the combination of Xavi-Iniesta-Messi. IMO

1818  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 28, 2022, 11:42:41 PM
Saya tebak selanjutnya perlahan tapi pasti, fee withdraw akan naik, mungkin akan sama dengan Indodax, karena Binance itu kalau bisa profit 2x lipat, jangan setengah-setengah, paham Kapitalis tetap kapitalis, dimanapun tempatnya.
Kalau demikian jadinya, berarti pasca akuisisi oleh Binance kualitas layanan untuk pelanggan malah merosot itu om. Tapi ane rasa tidak akan ada perubahan pada fee withdraw karena itu salah satu strategi marketing juga bagi setiap perusahaan untuk membuat para pengguna layanannya nyaman.
Setuju. Naikin fee WD berarti siap2 kehilangan interest masyarakat Indonesia. Perlu diingat jika salah satu hal yang bikin pamor Tokocrypto meningkat pesat yaitu karena fee WD nya murah. Kalau fee WD jadi mahal, orang-orang akan minggat ke exchange lain yang fee WD nya lebih murah. Saya yakin CZ dan timnya sangat mengerti terkait hal ini, mereka tidak akan merusak citra Tokocrypto dengan kembali menaikkan fee WD.

Sepertinya perbandingan yang sedikit berbeda, saya rasa pelayanan Tokocrypto dan Binance berbeda cukup jauh dalam hal pemahaman tentang cryptocurrency dari kedua cs di market tesebut, jujur saat komplain di Binance mereka langsung bisa to the point dan berbeda dengan Tokocrypto banyak hal2 dasar ditanyakan.

Contoh sederhananya, saat melakukan komplain Binance tentang deposit cukup memberikan hasx transaksi dan mereka bisa langsung forward ke tim teknisi, berbeda dengan Tokocrypto kita diminta cukup detail, mulai dari jumlah penarikan, waktu penarikan, padahal tx hash yang kita lampirkan bisa lebih dari cukup.
Itu bukan masalah pemahaman crypto dari CS nya, tapi karena SOP nya dibuat seperti itu.
Ente pasti tau kalau Tokocrypto make Binance cloud, jika ada isu seperti problem Depo atau WD, CS Tokocrypto perlu data lengkap untuk diforward ke pihak Binance supaya mudah ditangani. Berbeda dengan CS Binance, karena itu sistem mereka sendiri mereka bisa tangani langsung secara internal.

1819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Rank positions on CMC changes every bull market? on: December 28, 2022, 11:28:05 PM
I would be amazed if more than 3 of the current top20 coins succeeded to keep their positions. The nature of crypto as small, emerging, and high risk market makes it hard for any project to maintain its advancement and that is due to many reasons, one of them is the competition between many entities that target the same domain, like the smart contract platforms, there are tens of projects in this domain and many are useless or just a clone of other projects. The other reason is the market cycle which enforce unprepared or unexperienced projects owners to shut down, therefore I expect many of the top20 will not be there when the next bull market starts.
If you mention the top 20, it is including BTC, ETH, USDT, USDC, BUSD, BNB, ADA, MATIC, DOT. Do you think these coins will be out of the top 20 in the next bullrun season? IMO, surely there will be more than 3 of those coins to survive in the top 20. I believe BTC, ETH, and stable coins stay at least, no reason for these coins to drop out. These coins have different concepts, they also don't compete each other. In addition, I am sure the developers/teams of the top 20 coins are experienced enough. They won't get many investors and won't get big market caps if they don't have a good experience. People won't trust unexperienced developers/teams.

1820  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: December 28, 2022, 12:42:33 PM
Nunez has become a failed striker for liverpool. There have been bunch of memes created by liverpudlians for him caused by he was always missing the golden opportunity to make the goal. gakpo has become a new bet for liverpool. We will see whether gakpo will become a successful transfer by liverpool or he will did nothing like nunez. This is gambling that has been taken by liverpool. It seems like that klopp didn't feel satisfied with the performance from nunez. glad to see that liverpool bought another striker.
IMO, we can't claim Nunez failed because the season isn't over yet. There are still many matches to prove his ability as a top striker. Signing Gakpo doesn't mean replacing Nunez, Jürgen Klopp may put him alongside Nunez on Liverpool attacking line. Gakpo-Nunez-Salah seems promising enough, I expect Klopp to try this combination.

By the way, every new signing is always gambling, no guarantee a top player to succeed in any team. Even a superstar like Hazard and Bale, failed in Real Madrid. However, Klopp must have a strong reason why he chooses Gakpo. He won't sign carelessly for a player who is worth around €60m. Gakpo is a young attacker and he can play in some positions, this can be two reasons why Klopp signs him.

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