Who fucking gives a shit if you have a life outside of the forum and you have been a lurker on the forum for 8 years?  It does not matter, and no one is going to give you merits because you happen to be a good person in real life if they don't know what that supposed goodness is.  

Further, we don't judge you based on your many accounts and your many speculative and supposed things that were in your good intention head that you meant to say.. We only can only determine based on what is posted, and I summarized mightwalker's posting activities at the time that I read his post as largely two days, so I don't know what purpose you find, B4RF, to speculate that there could be more meritorious things there when it does not fucking matter because none of us would know about such speculative things, and even mightwalker has not even responded to declare any of these kinds of supposedly good things that he might deserve merit for.

I just logged into my Betcoin.ag account for the first time in 2018, and it appears that both my early January and my early February payment that appears to have happened a couple of days ago were both in my betcoin.ag account, and they appear to be accurate payment amounts based on my activity levels for December and January. 

I had recalled that in early January the blockchain transaction fees were eating up a large amount of the monthly payment of signature campaign members (maybe nearly all of it), so that was part of the reason that I chose to not even attempt to transfer my early January payment in early January.  The combination of these two months payment and the relatively low current transaction fees did allow me to transfer my remaining balance at .00084087 BTC fees (which is about $6.73 at current BTC prices - don't remind me of current BTC prices of under $8k -ish... ..  ).....

Anyhow, thanks for everything Betcoin.ag, including following through with your word (which was payments).

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Fair enough proposal, Tera numero dos.  I just cannot get my nervous little bull hoofs to click on the sell button at these seemingly "on sale" price levels.. they just won't cooperate.   

Hey Hairy, I did not disagree with what you said that first time around about $100 being possible, I just put $100 at such a low level of possibility, such as less than .5% that I thought that it was a bit too much to be referring to such a scenario in any kind of civilized attempt at a meaningful discussion.

We should know that going to zero is possible too, but such number becomes really on the extreme end of minusculeness, so talking about zero is not really a realistic discussion point, either.





We can differ about our assessment of 3 digits, and the more that I think about the three digits matter, the more I think that lower than 5% was even too charitable of a number.  Just getting to 3 digits is at a 95% correction.. and the more I think about it, the more preposterous such a correction sounds.. absent some really fucked up news.. so perhaps lower than 1% would be a more fair reflection of my assessment.. especially given our current status and our current bull market.. that we have not left, so far... too fucking early to say that we are "out of the bull market".. so we differ about how much percentage to give to 3 digits and even if it is a meaningful talking point.. sure I am prepared for it, but it just seems like pie in the sky to be talking about it as if it were a reasonable possibility in our current context....  



I see what you are doing with the time thing, and yeah, I appreciate it, but you are not going to get me to go with that time framework... even  though you personally consider the time framework to be helpful to put these BTC price possibility matters into perspective... I actually think that it causes you to give too much weight to the downward possibility.. but do what you like and bet (and prepare) accordingly.



I agree that we prepare for all, but we prepare less for something that we consider to be less than 1%....  but if it gets closer the odds go up and we prepare more... . hey maybe we even prepare less for the less than 5% scenarios, too.

I don't really mind mentally preparing for an eventuality that I consider to be less than .5%, but I am not going to spend much energy on it, and really the last mile might NOT be a total preparation because it is considered to be so unlikely.  

Furthermore, as we prepare for UPs and DOWNs, recently we have personally experienced considerable (and perhaps) excessive needs to retweak our parameters of what we have come to consider to be possible and likely, especially towards the upside direction (but the tweaking has to affect both directions).  

The fact that some scenarios, such as $100k is being thrown around a lot more regularly as a possible scenario is because a large number of folks have recognized that $100k number to have become much more possible in a shorter period of time, merely based on the fact that we actually experienced $20k in December... fuck.... it is amazing... so yeah, I do agree that retracing is easier than plowing new all time highs, but at the same time, only so much retracing is reasonable and probable.. especialy when we start to talk about 95% or greater retracing..... get real.... even the seemingly low possible of $100k has become more possible, which has also caused some of the numbers to the downside to become less and less possible.... including reasonable discussions of 3 digits..

3 digits has become a really BIG fucking outlier.. ... greater than 95% retracement... now? hello?... so as I type I am becoming more and more adamant and maybe even excited that I don't even feel like it is a worthy of reasonable conversation to be talking about below $1k  because it has become such a low probability type price arena in our current context. sure I am still prepared for it, but  I can almost say it is NOT going to happen.. even though I am still willing to admit to its less than 1% probability.. but let's not be wasting our meaningful time with that downside outlier bullshit.          Oh gosh.. i am getting myself worked up.. about the lower and lower likelihood of three digits.. in other words.. good fucking bye three digits.. let's stop thinking about you.    .  So yeah, 3 digits gotta get below $7k, then gotta get below $5k then $3k then $2k.. and fuck.. three digits are history... .. we not gonna see you no more.. good bye.  adieu  



Yes, we can concede that we have access to the same charts, and we have been glued to them for six months if not longer... Consession on that point that you are not telling me anything that I don't know when I see the price bouncing in the below $8k arena, as I type my response.



Yep.. .getting fucking tough to get to $3k..even from here and even though I concede that $3k is a higher likelihood today than it was a week ago... eating away at support and eating away, but $3k is still a long fucking way away...  maybe $3k is less than 15%, even from here. .. and sure I have my buy orders already set down to $3k.. that is a 85% retracement from $19,666.  I personally do think that we are going to get an 85% retracement this time around, but I do that we will perhaps will get a 85% retracement or greater after we continue our upwards bull run past $20k and perhaps past $50k, then a greater than 85% retracement from there... sure.. sure.. but not now..

On the other hand, if we have meaningful time below $5k, then $3k becomes more likely at that point... but we are not even close to $5k yet.  Sorry, I am becoming more and more difficult in my acceptance the more I type... it is not that I am not prepared with my orders, I just don't see $3k in the current cards... talk to me if we break $7k, I might become more willing to consider... hahahahahhahaha    not that I have any say over this, but I do have say over my thoughts of what I believe to be plausible and reasonable when we are in a bull market and continue in such.. and the FUD ain't even that bad yet...   Yeah in mid February another bcash pump and spam attack, perhaps, and maybe some more ethereum pumping, but can they do it.. and then maybe a collapse of all alts.. but still difficult to see $3k... still.


hahahahaha..

O.k... you see you have more confidence in down than me, and in that regard, you are going on a buying hiatus, whereby I continue to buy every $1k all the way down to $3k.. then my buy orders that are not yet set for below $3k, would likely become closer, but I am not going to set them until we get below $5k, if we get there.. it is too fucking speculative to even be thinking about under $3k... so I am o.k buying at $7k, $6k, $5k, $4k, and $3k.. .. and then I will get nervous because we are in a scenario that is way the fuck beyond my expectations.. and we are already in a much greater retracement (bouncing in the 60% retracement arena)  than my expectations....

Maybe you are correct with your buy hiatus Hairy approach.. but I have never been a hiatus kind of a guy (whether it has been buying or selling).. I have learned my lesson from attempting that on a few short run occasions in the past.. and it just had caused me way too much stress... so, I am good, I am good.  buy every $1k down to $3k, if it happens, and regroup from there (actually start regrouping below $5k that I don't even expect to happen... you fucking bearwhales... [not referring to you hairy)).

how would you even know? 

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

you know that rumor is that Bcash is pee paring for a mid-February pump, so I am not sure if going below $1k would be for good for them.

o.k... even though I agree, now you are going overboard, Hairy... ..     

What are the odds of $1k or below in the next 5 years?  5%?  less?

Now what are the odds of $100 in the next 5 years?  .5%  less?

What are the odds of $100k in the next 5 years?  5%  more?  10%, perhaps?

Ah haaaa...

Looks like i was more or less correct... which means that I was in the ballpark regarding my thinking about your apparently fuzzy logic.

1) You described "the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash."  Your word choice and phraseology seems to indicate that you don't quite understand (whether willfully or subliminally) what happened or the significance.  There was no neutral kind of forkening event.. What actually happened was a process that went awry.  The new york agreement fucktards thought that they were going to get some kind of sneaky agreement passed in which they would be able to sneak in 2mb blocks and also just cause bitcoin to become easier to change, and to fuck with bitcoin's governance. When that plan did not work, some small group of them created a renegade attack vector, which was a fork in order to attempt to leverage and threaten getting their way.  So yeah, your description of what happened is in accurate, and your usurpation of the term bitcoin into the name bitcoin cash is not appropriate for the thing referred to as bcash.

2) The fact that you believe bitcoin.com is some kind of "useful" forum demonstrates that  you are living in a fantasy world, because bitcoin.com is involved in an ongoing attempt to confuse people into thinking that bcash is bitcoin.

3) if you are here to make money only, then sure I suppose that you are getting a purpose out of the forum, but likely since your motivations are to use the forum for those purposes shows that it would probably be better for the rest of us if you just bugger the fuck out of here... and get your remaining pleasures at bitcoin.com. ... shoo..!!!! .shoo you.....!!!!   Now, go away!!!!   I understand that you are likely not going to go away.. so just wishful thinking from me... and we are likely stuck with your nonsense and foggy thinking for a while on this forum.. unless there is some slim miracle chance that you might learn something in which your might be able to contribute to the forum?  I doubt it, but Perhaps?
 

Way back in WO history (must have been during the mid-to late 2015 time period when I continued to assert that my average price per BTC was coming down, but my average price continued in the lower $500s), there was a poster who said something like, "we know that we are in the clear when JJG's BTC holdings are in the black, rather than continuously in the red."  

Then like a year later maybe mid 2016, when prices were in the $600s and $700s one of the posters that was previously harping on that "JJG should be in profits" theme, said something like:  "JJG, you fucker, you used to be a lot nicer, and more humble and polite when your BTC holdings were 50% in the red, and now you have turned into an asshole."  

hahahahahhahaha  something like that.  

Without conceding any truth of the matter asserted, perhaps reasonable claims can be made that money causes changes in the way each of us carries ourselves, whether in the real world or online?

It does still seem like $100k is going to happen some day, whether 1 year or 5 years or 10 years, but like what was said in an earlier post, we still should find ways to be happy, even if we do not continue down the short-term exponential BTC price upturn path and a year from now, or even two years, we are merely just at a price that is a few percentage points higher than our current price.  We gotta prepare for potential flat, even though no matter what our BIGGEST probability of a guaranteed status remains ongoing BTC price volatility - whether UP, DOWN or sideways, we are nearly guaranteed to experience continued volatility until BTC prices are well above $100k (assuming that they get there some day in the reasonable future).

I consider that most new BTC entrants go through an accumulation stage, and thereafter a maintenance stage, so it sounds like you mostly went through your accumulation stage already, and you are in a kind of maintenance stage.. and hopefully, you don't gamble with too much of your BTC holdings while you are in a maintenance stage..

Of course a maintenance stage does not foreclose BTC accumulation, but usually a sign of being in a maintenance stage is that you are not as desperate to establish your stake - and largely you have already acquired enough BTC in case the price goes up.

I consider myself to have taken about a year from 2013 to the end of 2014 for my accumulation stage, and I have been in a maintenance stage ever since.  I think that my maintenance stage has become more and more refined, but I don't think that my skills caused the refinement but instead the fortune of our most recent exorbitant price rise from $2,600 to $19,666... .. but yeah, we are back in the doldrums of $8k-ish, but did not stop me from feeling a certain level of comfort from maintenance refinement.  When we get to $100k (assuming we do at some point - perhaps less than 5 years?  perhaps?), then I will likely develop even a more "refined" perspective regarding the significance of maintenance.

o.k.  I fixed the original post in light of your proposed changes.   

What about you Nosk?  What is your situation?  You buying, selling, hodling?  Accumulating or already accumulated?

You are speaking da true... Harry barry   (AKA Hairy berry)  

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I like the idea of putting yourself in a position where you have options no matter the price direction, but I hate the idea of selling, even on a bounce... yet I understand that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do... so difficult decisions, especially if your plan has not accounted for our current possibility.. even if we happen to currently at the bottom.. we don't know...   I know sometimes when I start getting too bearish in my talk, then at that point the market reverses.. but still remains difficult to know for sure.. ..

I am surely buying a lot of BTC every $1k drop, but fuck, I am (was) much more rich (in total terms) when BTC prices were higher.

Whoaza!!!!!!!!


It's too soon.

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Maybe easier said than done?    

Surely, these are stressful times, so I will completely understand if people get pissed off at some of us (including me) that still have a decent amount of money for buying.

Fuck, it is like I have over-prepared for down while I have been hoping for up because I still have about 40% of the amount that I started out with at $19k, and about 25% of the fiat that I have in reserves is kind of off of the table - except I suppose for some extreme situation like under $1,000, but maybe any of us would become scared as shit to buy BTC if the price were to go below $1k?.. I am thinking that worse of the worse is below $5k with a possible spike to $3k - and I would even put that at a long shot of like less than 15%.. but fuck... we know that bitcoin has a long history of overshooting in extreme ways....

I just don't think that we are quite ready for a bear market which would be argued if BTC prices were sustained under $5k.. .. something like that?  We are not there, right?  Right?

I understand that I am quibbling here and there with your representations, yet I would like to assert that your framing "BTC's lost dominance over alts" as if it were a negative picture about BTC.. maybe you are not saying that, but your word choice causes those kinds of inferences for me.

Do you recall throughout most of 2017, and perhaps even starting in 2016, there were a shitload of claims attempting to describe negative inferences towards bitcoin regarding the domination index, yet the fact of the matter remains that bitcoin went up a good 20x during these many claims about bitcoin supposedly experiencing meaningful competition.  Sure there are dynamics there that show that a lot of money has been pouring into the crypto space, yet I think that frequently there are erroneous claims being made about bitcoin's supposed weakness relative to the price movement of several other coin market cap coins - which frequently are just a bunch a distracting and misleading information - and if Ripple does not demonstrate that fact as an extreme, then there are a lot of misleading aspects regarding dominance and BTC's relative dominance.

Even though money moving around into various coins can have both its good and its bad aspects, I think that there are various bullish scenarios in which the total amount of money in the space shows some additional ability of bitcoin's market cap and price to go up - even while sometimes the implosions and explosions of alts can have short term price impacts on bitcoin, too.

Majormax:  I am not arguing that you are oblivious about these confusing, contradictory and even "clouding" as you proclaimed, dynamics, yet I am still quibbling a bit with both your word choice and the fact that you wanted to reiterate it as a possible influential BTC price dynamics factor.

I think that I already said as much as I want to say on the topic.  Ultimately it is up to the administrators what to do with your account, and they would likely have access to information that I don't have and I don't know if you have such information, either.



Hacking accounts has to do with ownership claims rather than being a merit system specific topic.    Yet, if merit is given to an account prior to knowing whether there are hacking and/or ownership disputes, then those kinds of questions have been raised in the context of merit, fair merit distribution, etc.



I don't know how you would have missed the topic, because it was raised in light of your own account and in the context of your posting in this thread.



Again, it is not a merit/rank specific topic, and it mostly seems to have come up in connection with your account.



You seem to be both repeating a point that you already made and NOT making such point very clearly.  Buying/selling accounts is not banned; however, if the account was stolen or compromised in that kind of way, then that seems to b where there becomes an issue.  Sure Theymos could change the policy regarding having more than one account and regarding selling/trading accounts, but that does not seem to be a change that is the works, currently... and really, given your current status and situation, I doubt that your input or suggestion would carry very much weight with Theymos were he deliberating changes in such policy/practices.

Fair enough.  I suppose that I had a more favored use of that particular meme... but upon reading your explanation, your use of the meme works, too.. so my word choice of "perverted" may have been too much.. I suppose I have been reading too many "me too" news stories, recently.

I am in agreement that HODL and BUYDL positions seem to be decent ones within our current price range..... gosh we are still floating around 60% retracement from $19,666 down to $8k-ish.... buy on the way down, good advice, but if you run out of money because you already bought, then likely the next best practice would be to HODL.  Yeah, they want your coins.. they want your coins, but really bitcoin does not seem to be overpriced in this price range.. especially, if you consider a longer term investment and including continuing to buy if the price were to go lower (that is if you have any money for such).

First of all.  Yes, I think that there is a preference for members to be honest, and it is not easy to gage honesty over the internet, except maybe with the passage of time - or  maybe if given some responsibility or time to admit wrongdoing and things like that.  So, there may be a certain level of assumption that posters are being honest, until there is evidence that they are not... And, then when there is a system of dishonesty that develops, then the new presumption might unfairly become that newbies are dishonest, until they are proven otherwise.  So yeah, you have problematic aspects of your account, and doubtful that anyone is against the buying/selling of legitimate accounts, but if they are stolen, then seems that caveat emptor would apply.. which means you are likely a loser if there is any decent level of evidence that your account was not acquired legitimately.





I doubt that there is much of any recourse for you if it is determined that the account was not legitimately transferred.




I think almost anyone agrees about that, except perhaps folks who either engage in crime or endorse it or people with very poor logic skills.



I don't know if that is a paradox, or just a kind of attempt at rationalization of your likely bad situation.. seemingly logical to lose the account.




I doubt that account trading, farming or the ability to sell is a new topic.  I have seen older post on the topic, so difficult to argue that it is some kind of new phenomenon.

I recall that I lost access to my account twice.  Once was my own fault to screw up my method of signing in, and my account got frozen for nearly a month; however, another time, my account was taken over by a hacker. 

Having my account taken over by a hacker caused me to recognize the value of my account and its history, so I did jump through several hoops, and fairly promptly to get access to my account back.  Sometimes, it can take several weeks or longer before legitimate owners might have realized that there account had been compromised, or what to do about such compromised situation.  Further, I imagine that it can be a fairly time-consuming and tedious activity for forum administrators to be returning legitimate access (and verifying) actual owners during seemingly ongoing hacking situations.