Merit & new rank requirements

[shan05]

I don't understand 100% what is merit system but through this thread,  i am able to do so.  Although it affects my ranking flow to go up,  i still think it is for the best. We can atleast minimize spamming and will be encouraged to do quality posts.  It is for the good of all and also for the new members to come,  so that when they enter the forum,  they can extract good and quality information about tge quiries on their minds.

[rhamzter]

I don't understand 100% what is merit system but through this thread,  i am able to do so.  Although it affects my ranking flow to go up,  i still think it is for the best. We can atleast minimize spamming and will be encouraged to do quality posts.  It is for the good of all and also for the new members to come,  so that when they enter the forum,  they can extract good and quality information about tge quiries on their minds.

To simplify you need to earned merit depends on your ranks needed. For example: Your currently position is Jr Member, you need to earned 10 merits before you promote into Member position. So even you have 120 activities if you can't collect merits base on your respective position, you can't ranked up. Even your activities is good for Hero Member, you can't ranked up.

It is a big challenges to us, because they need to evolve with our own. We need to shared our fruitful idea to others not shitty, because if we become contented to our position or else we can't grow up.

So take this merits systems as new challenges, cheer up for the growth of our community. I know all of them can do this.

[dhas]

I don't understand 100% what is merit system but through this thread,  i am able to do so.  Although it affects my ranking flow to go up,  i still think it is for the best. We can atleast minimize spamming and will be encouraged to do quality posts.  It is for the good of all and also for the new members to come,  so that when they enter the forum,  they can extract good and quality information about tge quiries on their minds.

To simplify you need to earned merit depends on your ranks needed. For example: Your currently position is Jr Member, you need to earned 10 merits before you promote into Member position. So even you have 120 activities if you can't collect merits base on your respective position, you can't ranked up. Even your activities is good for Hero Member, you can't ranked up.

It is a big challenges to us, because they need to evolve with our own. We need to shared our fruitful idea to others not shitty, because if we become contented to our position or else we can't grow up.

So take this merits systems as new challenges, cheer up for the growth of our community. I know all of them can do this.

You are correct, but how about us who have red trust, how can we ranked up? because of this negative trust most of the users can't believe and trust us. Yes merit points can given to us but the sad reality is still we can't join in some campaign. So whatever rank ups happen to us, whatever merits we received, we can't grow up because of this negative feedback appears in our accounts.

[ObscurePen]

I see theymoss didn't even give any chance for members who was waiting rank change today)) I think it's strange, all member are good for forum, not only hero. And if you implemented your new system so suddenly you should give at least another one rank change by old rules, I think would be fair. And It's not a secret that no-one likes this new system except members with highest rank, who don't care about it) And I don't care too. But it may be that very soon we will have "fork" of this forum with more fair rules and all people and startups will move there. Really don't understand you theymoss.

There is already a "fork" of this forum. Here is the link to it: forum.bitcoin.com

It is pretty much a Bitcoin forum like this one which has much less spam as it is relatively new and because it bans nearly all sig campaigns. As far as I know, they have only had 1 sig campaign so far.

Let me guess, the one and only sig campaign on your referral to bitcoin.com is for b-cash(trash?)?  hahahahaha

Yeah, right, go join that stupid-ass (and likely astroturf) forum for "more objective" information.  

Your guess was wrong. The signature campaign that I am referring to is advertising for Bitcoin games, which is a gambling website. This campaign was up and running, and finished before the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. Just for the record, I think forum.bitcoin.com is a much more useful forum for people wishing to learn and get help on things related to Bitcoin. Things are much better organised with little to no spam. Saying this I have not been on the forum for quite a while so I do not know it's conditions now. Bitcoin talk is better for making money and conducting trading.

[JayJuanGee]

I see theymoss didn't even give any chance for members who was waiting rank change today)) I think it's strange, all member are good for forum, not only hero. And if you implemented your new system so suddenly you should give at least another one rank change by old rules, I think would be fair. And It's not a secret that no-one likes this new system except members with highest rank, who don't care about it) And I don't care too. But it may be that very soon we will have "fork" of this forum with more fair rules and all people and startups will move there. Really don't understand you theymoss.

There is already a "fork" of this forum. Here is the link to it: forum.bitcoin.com

It is pretty much a Bitcoin forum like this one which has much less spam as it is relatively new and because it bans nearly all sig campaigns. As far as I know, they have only had 1 sig campaign so far.

Let me guess, the one and only sig campaign on your referral to bitcoin.com is for b-cash(trash?)?  hahahahaha

Yeah, right, go join that stupid-ass (and likely astroturf) forum for "more objective" information.  

Your guess was wrong. The signature campaign that I am referring to is advertising for Bitcoin games, which is a gambling website. This campaign was up and running, and finished before the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. Just for the record, I think forum.bitcoin.com is a much more useful forum for people wishing to learn and get help on things related to Bitcoin. Things are much better organised with little to no spam. Saying this I have not been on the forum for quite a while so I do not know it's conditions now. Bitcoin talk is better for making money and conducting trading.

Ah haaaa...

Looks like i was more or less correct... which means that I was in the ballpark regarding my thinking about your apparently fuzzy logic.

1) You described "the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash."  Your word choice and phraseology seems to indicate that you don't quite understand (whether willfully or subliminally) what happened or the significance.  There was no neutral kind of forkening event.. What actually happened was a process that went awry.  The new york agreement fucktards thought that they were going to get some kind of sneaky agreement passed in which they would be able to sneak in 2mb blocks and also just cause bitcoin to become easier to change, and to fuck with bitcoin's governance. When that plan did not work, some small group of them created a renegade attack vector, which was a fork in order to attempt to leverage and threaten getting their way.  So yeah, your description of what happened is in accurate, and your usurpation of the term bitcoin into the name bitcoin cash is not appropriate for the thing referred to as bcash.

2) The fact that you believe bitcoin.com is some kind of "useful" forum demonstrates that  you are living in a fantasy world, because bitcoin.com is involved in an ongoing attempt to confuse people into thinking that bcash is bitcoin.

3) if you are here to make money only, then sure I suppose that you are getting a purpose out of the forum, but likely since your motivations are to use the forum for those purposes shows that it would probably be better for the rest of us if you just bugger the fuck out of here... and get your remaining pleasures at bitcoin.com. ... shoo..!!!! .shoo you.....!!!!   Now, go away!!!!   I understand that you are likely not going to go away.. so just wishful thinking from me... and we are likely stuck with your nonsense and foggy thinking for a while on this forum.. unless there is some slim miracle chance that you might learn something in which your might be able to contribute to the forum?  I doubt it, but Perhaps?
 

[SamsungBitcoin]

I don't understand 100% what is merit system but through this thread,  i am able to do so.  Although it affects my ranking flow to go up,  i still think it is for the best. We can atleast minimize spamming and will be encouraged to do quality posts.  It is for the good of all and also for the new members to come,  so that when they enter the forum,  they can extract good and quality information about tge quiries on their minds.

To simplify you need to earned merit depends on your ranks needed. For example: Your currently position is Jr Member, you need to earned 10 merits before you promote into Member position. So even you have 120 activities if you can't collect merits base on your respective position, you can't ranked up. Even your activities is good for Hero Member, you can't ranked up.

It is a big challenges to us, because they need to evolve with our own. We need to shared our fruitful idea to others not shitty, because if we become contented to our position or else we can't grow up.

So take this merits systems as new challenges, cheer up for the growth of our community. I know all of them can do this.

You are correct, but how about us who have red trust, how can we ranked up? because of this negative trust most of the users can't believe and trust us. Yes merit points can given to us but the sad reality is still we can't join in some campaign. So whatever rank ups happen to us, whatever merits we received, we can't grow up because of this negative feedback appears in our accounts.

You are correct, having red trust wont able to participate in signature campaign. But there is a possibility to removed that red trust by changing your way of posting, since you are tagged shit poster you should work it out to improved that and ask for the person who put that trust to you to review the history of your post.

[Ale88]

I don't know if someone already suggested this idea (partially expressed in the first message) because no way I'm gonna read 100+ pages 

I think that giving merit is a bit unnatural, this is not Facebook which has always been based on likes, this is a forum, people write and read, and what bothers me are the useless messages, so why don't punish those messages? Instead of the merit we give a demerit just like in real life: you go to jail if you steal or kill but you don't get a prize if you don't do it (this is an extreme example of course), and after 3 or 5 demerits that message gets automatically hidden or deleted, and if this happens also with other messages from the same user the account gets frozen for 24 hrs for the first time, than 48, than 96 and so on, every time the freezing time doubles until the moment it'll be almost impossible to write again, he has to wait for weeks.

[quyhj94]

Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.

You can only give 50 merit to a user in a 30 day window.
Unless they have an alt account, they cannot give you 100 merit (right now).

Press your middle mouse button when trying to open a link to open it in a new window. Problem solved. Now you should have given me 200 merit.

Same problem, 4 alt accounts?

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

[TheQuin]

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

By contributing something to the forum. Your entire posting history consists of 110 applications to bounty campaigns and this post.

[KatgCrypto]

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

By contributing something to the forum. Your entire posting history consists of 110 applications to bounty campaigns and this post.

By contributing something to the forum doesn't necessarily give you merit. A junior member (like me) cannot get easily merit and cannot give merit. Merit points are so low that make it a scarce resource. This resource will never be distributed freely to everyone but to persons that you already know or alt accounts.
In general I agree with merit score, but i suggest available points to distribute should be increased and even jr. members should have some.
I am not a crypto expert, I just started. What contribution of mine could impress the rest so i get merit points?
Is there a report to show merit points received by jr members and related posts (no alt accounts)? I think this report will be disappointing...

[JayJuanGee]

I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know? 

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

[TheQuin]

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

By contributing something to the forum. Your entire posting history consists of 110 applications to bounty campaigns and this post.

By contributing something to the forum doesn't necessarily give you merit. A junior member (like me) cannot get easily merit and cannot give merit. Merit points are so low that make it a scarce resource. This resource will never be distributed freely to everyone but to persons that you already know or alt accounts.
In general I agree with merit score, but i suggest available points to distribute should be increased and even jr. members should have some.
I am not a crypto expert, I just started. What contribution of mine could impress the rest so i get merit points?
Is there a report to show merit points received by jr members and related posts (no alt accounts)? I think this report will be disappointing...

Contributing to the forum means getting involved in conversations. If you do that and show you have an interest in crypto and are here to learn and participate then the merit will come. You're new, forget about ranks and merit, just get involved and give it time.

Edit: I just checked your post history. Another almost entirely full of bounty applications. What do you think is merit worthy in that?

[loengrinm]

I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

You just made 15 posts so far. Here are some of your recent valuable contributions:

In a next few years , cryptocurrency 'll survive and still grow , but yeah , i think it's also a bubble , blockchain is a future , but the value of cryptocurrency 'll be corrected like others bubble before

My aim in 2018 is just have enough money to buy a house  

it seems this year , many project will launch under NEO platform , and it makes this coin grow strongly . This month is the moment for buying NEO with lowest price , i think .

How many merits you expect for these ?

[B4RF]

I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know? 

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

Yes and no.

I dont think merit should only be awarded to highly interactive posts.
He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.

[greeklogos]

Well, it passed like 10 days after this new system and at first I thought like "whatever!". But now, after all those days I became a little scared, cause of now being a jr. member without 10 merits is one of the toughest thing, such users will not be able to go higher and to join any campaign while they will not fill this 10 merits.
Meanwhile as I used to notice, constructive posts do not get a merit, but some obvious posts do. Everything depends on users and spreading of merits is not fair usually. And as theymos said there are users who able to create a merit and give it to somebody, but he didn't call a nik to other users do not annoy them with requests to send some merit to posts.
I just can conclude that together with high prices for crypto it came high standards to the forum, and now to loose an account is going to be a serious problem. I hope we will learn to live with that one day. Good luck everybody!

[sapta]

Well, it passed like 10 days after this new system and at first I thought like "whatever!". But now, after all those days I became a little scared, cause of now being a jr. member without 10 merits is one of the toughest thing, such users will not be able to go higher and to join any campaign while they will not fill this 10 merits.
Meanwhile as I used to notice, constructive posts do not get a merit, but some obvious posts do. Everything depends on users and spreading of merits is not fair usually. And as theymos said there are users who able to create a merit and give it to somebody, but he didn't call a nik to other users do not annoy them with requests to send some merit to posts.

That's why QA made this thread. If you believe that your post doesn't get much attention, direct QA to your posts then QA will ask you something about your posts.

The thing about Merit abuser is that they'll eventually ran out of sMerit, unless they're Merit sources which is unlikely.

I just can conclude that together with high prices for crypto it came high standards to the forum, and now to loose an account is going to be a serious problem. I hope we will learn to live with that one day. Good luck everybody!

Because this forum is full of people who think that the way they earn more money is to spam here and there so that they can increase their post count. And how would you lose your account anyway?

[ogini]

Am really impress with the new policy, cause it is encouraging high quality post,you actually not see people posting some shit post any longer. People are really making good research and meaningful comments.

[JayJuanGee]

I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know?  

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

Yes and no.

I dont think merit should only be awarded to highly interactive posts.
He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.

Who fucking gives a shit if you have a life outside of the forum and you have been a lurker on the forum for 8 years?  It does not matter, and no one is going to give you merits because you happen to be a good person in real life if they don't know what that supposed goodness is.  

Further, we don't judge you based on your many accounts and your many speculative and supposed things that were in your good intention head that you meant to say.. We only can only determine based on what is posted, and I summarized mightwalker's posting activities at the time that I read his post as largely two days, so I don't know what purpose you find, B4RF, to speculate that there could be more meritorious things there when it does not fucking matter because none of us would know about such speculative things, and even mightwalker has not even responded to declare any of these kinds of supposedly good things that he might deserve merit for.

[chineseprancing]

Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.

You can only give 50 merit to a user in a 30 day window.
Unless they have an alt account, they cannot give you 100 merit (right now).

Press your middle mouse button when trying to open a link to open it in a new window. Problem solved. Now you should have given me 200 merit.

Same problem, 4 alt accounts?

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

You can get merit if you make a good quality post, but this is not like what you thinking. You just need to catch the eye of the viewers, you need to get their point of views to take their respect to give you merit. If they don't like your post maybe you get red trust but if they love it I'm surely they gives you a lot of merits.

[bitgov]

Perhaps there is a paradox in the fact that I bought this account, and at the same time I argue that accounts trading should be banned.
I bought this account because it is allowed.

I don't know if that is a paradox, or just a kind of attempt at rationalization of your likely bad situation.. seemingly logical to lose the account.

Why do you think that my situation is bad?

I think that I already said as much as I want to say on the topic.  Ultimately it is up to the administrators what to do with your account, and they would likely have access to information that I don't have and I don't know if you have such information, either.

That's it.

I argue that account trading should be banned because in my opinion it is the main reason why account farmers earn and do what they do. And account trading mainly distorts the ranking system and merit point system.
I'm surprised that nobody talks about it till now!?

I doubt that account trading, farming or the ability to sell is a new topic.  I have seen older post on the topic, so difficult to argue that it is some kind of new phenomenon.

I recall that I lost access to my account twice.  Once was my own fault to screw up my method of signing in, and my account got frozen for nearly a month; however, another time, my account was taken over by a hacker.  

Having my account taken over by a hacker caused me to recognize the value of my account and its history, so I did jump through several hoops, and fairly promptly to get access to my account back.  Sometimes, it can take several weeks or longer before legitimate owners might have realized that there account had been compromised, or what to do about such compromised situation.  Further, I imagine that it can be a fairly time-consuming and tedious activity for forum administrators to be returning legitimate access (and verifying) actual owners during seemingly ongoing hacking situations.

Hacking accounts is other problem, we can do nothing about it, and in my opinion merit system have not much to do with that.

Hacking accounts has to do with ownership claims rather than being a merit system specific topic.    Yet, if merit is given to an account prior to knowing whether there are hacking and/or ownership disputes, then those kinds of questions have been raised in the context of merit, fair merit distribution, etc.

This is obviously logical, it is more a problem of education about the security of each of us, than merit system. The consequences, of course, are always unpleasant, but it is more important to protect yourself.

If the topic of accounts trading was discussed (I missed it), I think we should keep it up.

I don't know how you would have missed the topic, because it was raised in light of your own account and in the context of your posting in this thread.

Yep, so if I started this topic, it is logic that I can't missed it. Sorry, I understood that this was previously discussed in this thread.

I'm sure that this is what makes the biggest problem for merit and rank system

Again, it is not a merit/rank specific topic, and it mostly seems to have come up in connection with your account.

For me it is big problem for merit system and it is one from reasons why i write in this thread.

Banning account trading will give moderators power to permanent ban everyone who is involved. If Account farmers will have permission to do what they do, i'm sure that they will find way to bypass merit system. Actually i already wrote that, so you can go back to my previous post, where is example and what i think about that. So, YES, in my opinion we should to discuss that in merit/rank topic.  

, and certainly there also would be less hacked accounts. I think that Theymos one more time should consider to ban this.

You seem to be both repeating a point that you already made and NOT making such point very clearly.  Buying/selling accounts is not banned; however, if the account was stolen or compromised in that kind of way, then that seems to b where there becomes an issue.  Sure Theymos could change the policy regarding having more than one account and regarding selling/trading accounts, but that does not seem to be a change that is the works, currently... and really, given your current status and situation, I doubt that your input or suggestion would carry very much weight with Theymos were he deliberating changes in such policy/practices.

If something is not clear in my point of view, please ask - We are here to discuss that.

As i wrote before, stolen/compromised accounts that is problem of security for each of us and forum administration, have not much to do with merit system.

For every healthy-minded person, most important should be what I write, not the opinion issued on the basis of someone's comment and his imagination.