Yep, it finished end of November. They hit caps (actually mostly before the public sale, presale and gamer presale nearly capped it), I think they had like 3m tokens for the public sale left over, which sold out.

All of this info is on their website though, waxtoken.com

ICO is done, it's starting to hit exchanges now, and likely going to start skyrocketing soon.

Yep, just gotta find a token holder that's willing to sell some. You create an ERC20 wallet and add a custom token (such at myetherwallet.com) - instructions here from WAX on what to do: https://medium.com/wax-io/update-on-token-distribution-identity-verification-8771963b14d5

I've bought in to the ICO myself, but thinking of holding most of mine for a bit (it went up some today). I may diversify some of it but not looking for small trades.

Not sure what you mean by "never been known, pity" - it was all over the place for months. If you Google'd ICO or checked any of the ICO drops, you couldn't have missed it.

There were also a lot of keynotes given by William Quigley and Malcolm Caselle about it (heck, I saw it on the news where some billionaire investor was talking about it).

Can you clarify?

WAX is being traded on Huobi.pro at 5X ICO and stable currently (since yesterday) - grats to call ICO investors, looks like you did really well.

Good luck flying back from Europe with 650k in cash

It's funny when confronted with hard proof of the same, no action is taken and suddenly the topic is avoided and not responded to.

Guess enough said. So thick you could cut the hypocrisy with a butter knife. It's too bad that the idea of 'neutrality" and 'community run' is nothing more than a illusion to generate user base on a great idea. What is really boils down to is buddy/buddy and politics otherwise the other people that did the same and worse (like Vod) would be long removed from the default trust system by moderators.

Neutrality and community run only exists with it's convenient and aligned with the politics of the inner circle that run the site.

Very sad indeed.

Well, there's plenty of proof here in the forum.

There's even a thread that's calling me a scammer that Vod made back when he was really upset. Then when it goes it you can see him talking about his reasoning which has nothing to do with anything other than us arguing with each other.

He had also called me a pedophile and all kinds of other crap in the heat of his anger. Just search my user name you'll see all the stuff he did, far too much to list. He erased some of it later on when he realized how bad it made him look but a lot is immortalized in quotes as well.

Moral of the story is that you can see how much his emotions played a part in his trust abuse in my case, someone that never scammed anyone or even attempted to, suddenly labeled one simply because of one unstable default trust user that used it for nothing more than a personal vendetta tool to get at me out of sheer anger.

Totally understand not moderating the trust system but allowing default trust by people that abuse it (even if they do some good things with it like labeling obvious scammers with it), even if you abuse it once you shouldn't have it because you're not trust worthy to use something that powerful here.

Not saying he should have his trust moderated but he definately shouldn't be a defualt trust user. The guy goes around creating conflicts all day long with both honest members and scammers.

He even gave a guy negative trust for sticking up for me and then offered to give positive trust to someone if they would say things against me (proof of both here in the forum).

So why isn't Vod removed from the default trust system then?

I'm a good example of abuse of that by him. We had an argument and he decided that he didn't like me and tried calling me a scammer because of it, even though I never scammed or even attempted to scam anyone. Eventually it was changed to what it is now so that it was not so obvious he was a liar, which is still abusive for someone with default trust. I complained to mods and all I ever got back was that it sucked but they don't get involved in the trust system.

I think they should get involved when it's someone with default trust who is abusing it. Yet Vod has abused it on many occasions for personal reasons or out of anger. Why isn't he removed?

Dude, read the tread!

This was Bigbitz reply to him sending $275 worth of bitcoin:


Argument can be made both ways since he offered this settlement back when BTC was worth that and then the dispute began regarding a sending error / misunderstanding. What sways it in the other direction is the quote above which is Bigbitz response to him sending $275 worth of BTC. Clearly he's pretending that it will resolve it but when shit get's real he comes with this "You'll still be a scammer" nonsense avoiding allowing a resolution to take place.

So regardless of what "some of us want" this is what's taken place in 'this' dispute.

I've got nothing against Bitbitz personally, I just think he's being super difficult with KoS in this matter and pretending not to be.

If he's only willing to accept BTC, then he shouldn't of pretended he'd accept KoS's settlement offer. If you read the history of what happened, arguments can be made for both sides but in the end, I think everyone that's 'actually' been reading this thread and looking at the evidnce would agree that this was the offer we all thought was fair and reasonable, now suddenly when KoS is about to send it off it's not good for Bigbitz... That's some bullshit IMO.

I don't understand this.

He just offered to pay the amount you agreed to in exchange for calling the issue resolved and removing your negative, I don't think anyone would consider that unreasonable to resolve the dispute between the two of you. So my guess is that this has been the long lasting issue between you two.

Why can't you just drop it? That attitude suggests that you want to dwell on this and you have no interest in resolving it and you were just putting on a show for the thread.

You expect him to settle with you and you still are calling him a scammer still even if the issue is resolved. So you get paid, he get's zero resolution from you. Seems like your offer to resolve this was empty after all, just like he said.

I wouldn't pay you either if that was your stance.

Scammers DONT pay what they owe, that's the definition of a scammer. Not I'll pay you if you consider this resolved, that's just someone that wants the issue resolved and put in the archives.

If you're unwilling to resolve this even if he pays what you asked for why on earth would you expect that he's going to pay you? You're damaging him and costing him even after he's settled the matter to your satisfaction. That's just malicious.

I PM'd the guy last night asking him to make a reply here telling everyone what the deal is.

I'll feel shitty if he turns out to be a scammer since I did stick up for the possibility that he wasn't but at the same time my reasoning is because the Vod pack always shoots first and asks questions later.

At this point, it doesn't look good since he was active yesterday, clearly has seen this thread and has not addressed the issues at hand.

I see Tomatocage removed his negative from him... maybe that's why he doesn't care anymore...?

I'm not his 'supporter' I hardly know the guy, he simply PM'd me when he started this thread. I'm against Vod mostly and his fan club.

Based on the evidence I was making a logical argument and pointing out how some people rush to judgement just because Vod says it's so and he's been wrong many times and doesn't always fix the situation. Vod had no new evidence to do what he did and he was taunting the guy and throwing his default trust in his face like it was a game for him.

This guy could very well be a scammer, who knows. We'll see what he does I guess. As for Vod getting involved, he had no real proof or new evidence a year later to make that determination yet he stuck his nose in it. The guy clearly has done some honest business too making it possible there was a dispute and unclear facts in this matter which means he could not be a scammer too.

WTF is JD chat?

Well, let's give him a minute. He hasn't exactly been on top of this thread and seems to only stop in once a week to make replies.

Did anyone PM him?

So from what I can see here, if KOS pays you the $275 he originally offered to the address you've posted, you would officially clear this matter as resolved Bigbitz?

KOS? That gonna happen?


(this assumes todays current exchange rate to USD)

Yes, I disagree with stupidity and blind favoritism. I'm not on anyone's side, only truth and logic. You on the other hand consistently base your arguments on 'guesswork' and 'assumptions'. I typically stick up for the underdog when I see he's got a case, especially when a pack of morons are ganging up on him with shitty logic and reasoning. So until I hear otherwise or see some real evidence to the contrary, I think any objective 3rd party with half a brain could see that I've got a solid argument.


Correct 100%, either a party to it or have some actual proof the person is blatantly scamming or a career scammer. IF they feel the irresistible urge to get involved in much more complicated matters such as this one, they should be willing to do a lot more than Vod has done before taking any sort of action and then be prepared to explain their actions to the community if it becomes necessary ESPECIALLY in a case where a full member with positive trust has been damaged.

Maybe that's a little too much logic and fairness for you to take in all at once.

Completely disagree with you. The guy is offering a resolution and that means he's clearly not scamming or a career scammer. If Bigbitz unwilling to accept that, that doesn't make King a scammer, it makes him mad at King and not wanting it resolved as far as I can see. Perhaps he takes greater satisfaction in having this drama go on and maybe that has something to do with their arguments and insults (as an example of a possible scenario that we don't know about). The only person that should have negative trust on King is Bigbitz with regard to this transaction.

Either way, it just makes it a disagreement between the two and a argument between the two, it doesn't make him a scammer so Vod shouldn't be involved here at all unless he's got some sort of concrete proof of something otherwise, which I see none of anywhere.

Do you see what a bird brain you have? He's publicly saying he is willing to give $275, which seems to be a reasonable offer. You've got the other party that seems to be stubborn for one reason or another. He seems a bit salty, perhaps for good reason. Who knows, the only person that knows would be him and King.

Point is: Clearly the guy isn't a scammer, a scammer doesn't try to offer any resolution to anything, just takes and lies. It's not Vod's place to label either side. King is not trying to run off with the guys money but it sounds like the guy may be being unreasonable for some reason. For what ever reason, they're having a dispute, the guy refuses to accept money from King the rest of it is between those two. We should back the fuck off including Vod 'especially 1 year later'.

Speak for yourself, there's also a ton of people that feel he's a mentally unstable asshat that's abusive and cocky.

Only difference is it's hard for most of them to speak out in public because Vod has that negative default trust threat and he's already proven that he will happily mark someone a scammer that disagrees with him. At the same time there's people that side with him simply hoping to get some green 3rd level trust from it. This is nothing more than a default trust game and that's the only reason a lot of people keep silent about speaking against him and voice themselves frequently when speaking for him. Some real pathetic losers.

I have gotten plenty of PM's from people saying this very thing, as I am sure KingofSports has by now as well.

I was planning at one point, when Vod was making pedo accusations against me to call his work too but decided it was too much of a legal liability at the time without concrete proof it was him (he did the pedo stuff on alt accounts).

More power to you King, hope you get a chance to talk to someone and let them know what kind of person they have working / contracting for them.

Why, have you known mods to lock threads like these? This has been going on forever. Mods don't get involved in this sort of thing.