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2041  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 16, 2022, 12:03:39 PM
I guess getting Ronaldo wouldn't really work well for them, they already have a very old and highly paid Ibrahimovic already missing a good chunk of the season anyway so it doesn't feel like it would be smart to get another old player for a lot of money and then not get any positive help from him in the end.

I think they are good the way they are and should keep going the way they are as well to make sure that everything goes right. Let Napoli be champions if they don't lose, and Milan should aim at being second or third, and they could be second that is a good amount of money and they can get rid of Ibrahimovic and his big salary, and get a younger player and try again next season.

I'm also not saying Milan will sign Ronaldo at this time. However, my point is, if Milan were still led by Berlusconi and Galliani, maybe they could sign Ronaldo. Even though Ronaldo is old, we remember how Van Bommel was brought in by Milan even though he was old. The duo Berlusconi & Galliani are lovers of old star players. I think the main goal is business not just trophies.

Because now they are gone, and Pioli is more focused on young players, of course this is a good era for Milan. I don't think at this time Milan will sign Ronaldo. Because, Milan under Financial problem, they can't pay Ronaldo.

BTW, Milan is currently trying to offer new contract for Leao, but contract offer that was given was rejected. Chelsea & Madrid are the clubs linked with Leao, Chelsea are reportedly bidding for 70 million Euros. But Milan rejected this offer. We know, Milan need him, they will try to do anything to make him stay.
2042  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Disaat Crypto Winter begini, Apa yang kalian lakukan? on: December 15, 2022, 02:23:40 PM
kayaknya sih dan bau-baunya winter kali ini akan berlalu dengan cepat dan berganti dengan Spring time. Ane lihat sudah ada serbuk-serbuk sari yang membuahi 1 sama lain dan membentuk bunga dengan cepat menyambut pergantian tahun 2023. Mungkin karena efek Binance juga, karena beberapa hari ini ane lihat, banyak sekali penarikan dari Binance menuju dompet pribadi dan menandakan musim dingin kripto akan segera berakhir.

Bisa jadi sih mas, karena kalau mengikuti berita dalam beberapa pekan terakhir, saya sering menemukan berita tentang penarikan dari exchange ke wallet pribadi. terlepas dari adanya kasus FTX, dan yang disebutkan oleh @Ahli38, sebelumnya juga sudah ada penarikan besar ke wallet pribadi. Ini bisa menjadi awal dari proses reccovery market. Jika jumlah holder BTC kini sudah membuat ATH baru, artinya ada kemungkinan masa bullish nanti di puncak new ATH bisa mencapai $100K (kayaknya)
2043  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 15, 2022, 11:54:28 AM
Artinya orang-orang semakin percaya bahwa dalam jangka panjang bitcoin akan berhasil mencapai ATH yang lebih tinggi daripada sebelumnya. Saat ini siklus penurunan menurut saya belum sepenuhnya berakhir meskipun dalam beberapa hari terakhir harga bitcoin telah mencapai $18K.

Memang ada angin segar tentang kemungkinan pemulihan harga selama 2023 terlepas apakah itu dimulai dari pertengahan atau mungkin di quater akhir tahun nanti. Fundamental yang kuat tentang ATH holder ini sangat mungkin karena mereka berharap halving selanjutnya dapat membuat mimpi-mimpi mereka tercapai. Tapi saya masih berharap harga bitcoin masih bisa bertahan di $17K - $18K ataupun kurang dari $20K dalam beberapa bulan kedepan karena itu akan memungkinkan saya mengumpulkan lebih banyak bitcoin baik dengan membelinya atau dari signature.

Sejak minggu ke 2 November, BTC terlihat sedang berada dalam kondisi sideway, keberhasilan BTC menyentuh $18K kemarin masih test pertana, saya pikir ini akan ada koreksi untuk re-test support $16K, jika pola ini benar, mungkin kita akan segera melihat BTC test ke $20K. Tapi, biasanya akhir tahun sering terjadi koreksi yang cukup dalam di masa seperti ini, seperti biasa, anggapan aksi jual untuk natal & tahun baru selalu mengiringi koreksi di akhir tahun, akan berbeda di fase bullish, akhir tahun - awal tahun baru justru menjadi titik puncak ATH.
2044  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: December 15, 2022, 11:38:09 AM

The Final match between Argentina vs France has been added as well as for the third place match Croatia vs Morocco, not many have bet maybe because it has just been added moreover there are still a few days left in the match so there is still enough time to place bets, do not have a clue whether to choose Argentina or France because the chances of both are equal.

It's true that there is already a bet on the Final and 3rd place matches. However, for now the odds for these two matches cannot be seen. Even I not able to see mybets that were active when I chose the two matches. Looks like it will be over 2 BTC for the total bet on final match. Considering that the France vs Morocco match was already close to 2 BTC in the semifinals. However, for the match for 3rd place, it may not attract many bettors. But I try to choose Morocco on this match Cheesy
2045  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 15, 2022, 11:22:45 AM
Inter Milan are still suffering from the departure of Lukaku two seasons ago. Edin Dzeko came but he is very old striker and even he can help them to have goals and contribute to their team formation and operation, he is no longer able to do this in all matches.

Lukaku returned to Inter Milan this season but he is no longer a Lukaku we knew two or three seasons ago in Giuseppe Meaza. More injuries, less appearances, less contributions and worse performance in general.


I often see players who leave Serie-A and return to their former clubs, most of them don't perform like the season as they are joined for the first tim. There are many factors, from poor performance and some who experience serious physical problems. Lukaku suffered a serious injury, this made him an additional list of failed players. IMO

Recently, I read a rumor if Marcus Thuram become Inter Milan target. His contract, will expire next summer, i think it will make it easier for Inter to sign this player. However, Inter must compete with Tottenham.
2046  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 15, 2022, 11:05:20 AM
We still remember these words how he said that and Ronaldo still has the ambition to play in the Champions League even though he is old and not fit anymore, but what we see seems to be that it will be difficult for European teams to accept him back, starting from high salaries and failing in the World Cup with his poor performance and now he is not aggressive anymore a little weak to be on the field so I think it is difficult to determine he will play in the UCL.

If European clubs are unable to sign him, then another option is Al-Nassr, who is ready with a high salary in one season and sponsors are ready to wait for Ronaldo.
Yup, poor performance during World Cup will make it even more difficult for Ronaldo to get a club in Europe. So far, there are no more rumors reporting European club interest in Ronaldo.

Because he doesn't have a club, Ronaldo is currently reported to have chosen to train in Madrid. He is very lucky that even though he is no longer a Madrid player, he can still train at his former club.

Maybe, if AC Milan were still held by the duo Berlusconi and Galliani, Ronaldo would be the player they brought in. Somehow, this duo very often able to bring in old star players (Ronaldo (brazil), Ronaldinho, Robinho, Ibra, Torres) and what's unique is that they manage to bring in these players for a lower salary.  Grin
2047  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / [DISKUSI] Socios.com Fan Token Klub Indonesia - Prediksi & Spekulasi on: December 14, 2022, 04:00:22 PM


FAN TOKEN - KLUB INDONESIA
Powered by: Socios.com



INTRO
Fan token adalah token yang dikembangkan oleh Socios.com di mana tujuan utama dari pengembangan token ini adalah untuk memberikan kemudahan bagi fan menjadi salah satu pengambil keputusan untuk klub yang mereka dukung. Saat ini, sudah ada puluhan fan token termasuk diantanya $JUV (Juventus), $ACM (AC Milan), $NAP (Napoli), $PSG (Paris-Saint Gemain) dan banyak lagi lainnya. silakan kunjungi Socios.com untuk lebih lengkapnya.

Mungkin sebagian dari Anda sudah tahu, bahwa Socios.com juga sudah memilih 2 klub sepak bola yang berasal dari Indonesia untuk memiliki fan token, yaitu $PRSJ (Persija Jakarta) & $PERSIB (Persib Bandung)

TUJUAN
Kita tidak tahu akan ada berapa banyak fan token yang akan hadir dari Indonesia nantinya. Maka dari itu, untuk kemudahan member Indonesia untuk berdiskusi, saya buatkan thread ini agar lebih terfokus pada satu thread baik untuk diskusi, prediksi maupun adanya spekulasi mengenai klub maupun Socios yang mungkin akan berimbas pada harga token.


LIST FAN TOKEN INDONESIA

                                                       


_______TICKER_______|             NAMA KLUB             |             STATUS             |             EXCHANGE             |             TRACK            
$PERSIB
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Persib Bandung
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Listing
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SOCIOS APP
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$PRSJ
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Persija Jakarta
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TBA
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N/A
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N/A
$BUFC
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Bali United
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Nunggu Listing
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N/A
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N/A




Referensi & Info Tambahan:
FTO: Fan Token Offering
Logo Persib: https://persib.co.id/img/logo_persib_non_bintang.bcdfb9d5.png
Logo  Persija: https://cdn.persija.id/assets/uploads/media-uploader/large-persija-jakarta-logo1617818676.png

Logo Bali United: https://www.baliutd.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/logo-2022.png



Note: Saya tidak berafiliasi dengan Socios.com dan juga bukan bagian dari klub sepakbola manapun. thread ini adalah wadah untuk diskusi, bukan saran untuk berinvestasi. Jika Anda berminat, selalu utamakan untuk melakukan riset secara mandiri. Berinvestasi di kripto dapat membuat Anda mengalami kerugian yang sangat banyak. DYOR, DWYOR, NFA
2048  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Belajar] Strategi Pemula Biar Tetap Eksis di Sini on: December 14, 2022, 03:07:16 PM

Mau newbie jadi-jadian atau bukan selagi mereka tidak melanggar dan mengikuti rules yang berlaku, ane sih fine-fine aja. Lagian, kesempatan ikut kuis yang kek gini adalah sebuah strategi juga biar tetap eksis, dengan mendapatkan merit dan minimal bisa rank up ke junior member, kesempatan untuk ikut signature campaign jadi terbuka lebar dibanding hanya ikut sosmed, soalnya biasanya hasilnya lebih gede karena kebanyakan member ikut signature btc dibanding token.

saya "legendary jadi-jadian". haha.

kuis yang diberikan tersebut sudah saya buka sebelumnya, ada banyak sekali yang tidak saya ketahui dan saya lupa berhenti di pertanyaan keberapa yang pasti ga sampai selesai, karena memang tidak mengikuti sejarah dari awal. tetapi, dengan ikut kuis tersebut, memberikan pengetahuan baru bagi pengguna, siapa pun itu termasuk saya.

Kalau ditanya, kenapa banyak yang tidak saya ketahui dari kuis tersebut, padahal mudah, jawabannya simple, dari awal saya gabung yang paling sering saya cari adalah thread yang membahas cara analisa kemudian airdrop. boro-boro baca sejarah dan kejadian unik di forum ini baik tentang blockchain, forum dan bitcoin, yang paling sering justru ngintipin board bounty. Sampai akhirnya, menjadi lebih fokus untuk ikut nimbrung di SFI untuk eksis.

Akan tetapi, yang dikatakan mas blue snow benar adanya, bisa saja dari kuis tersebut memancing pengguna untuk membuat komen atau thread baik dalam bentuk pertanyaan atau apapun yang relevan yang membuat pengguna berani tampil di forum ini. Jika pengguna ini berhasil mendapatkan beberapa merit awal, saya yakin mereka akan mulai menjadi lebih aktif karena merasa "oh ternyata dapat merit tak sesulit yang dipikirkan".
2049  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Disaat Crypto Winter begini, Apa yang kalian lakukan? on: December 14, 2022, 02:12:09 PM
analisa ente makin ane yakin untuk nuggu di bottom saja lalu all in. karena dana hasil sgnature ane juga nongkrongnya di stake jadi sambil nunggu sambil ngegame di sana, ya takutnya itu all in di stake semua bisa gatot rencana ane.

Ini bukan hasil analisa saya mas, saya hanya membagikan apa yang saya baca saja. Karena kondisi market juga bisa berubah kapan pun. Kalau dari kondisi pasar saat ini, roman-romannya ingin retest ke $18K sih. bisa juga kan bottom udah lewat. Coba mas lakukan analisa ulang dari yang sudah saya bagikan.

Jangan sampai kek agan ini*:
hasil kampanye selalu ditarik tiap minggu  Grin
*Ane jugak

ga percaya saya, ga ada bukti Tongue
2050  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Using Bonus Buy or Not Using Bonus Buy? on: December 14, 2022, 01:55:53 PM
I uses gambling platform for long in the past but never that I purchase Bonus buy instead since I believe that gambling is all about luck then i take my chances in every bets I do no matter how high or low it is.

You are very consistent with your playing style. Some people can't wait for the free spins. because they think, they will be able to get wins faster with bonus buy feature which is actually not giving higher chance to win. I also realized, because on several occasions, I only get $0.xx from bonus buy feature  Grin. Whereas from normal spins I can get up to 200x. After having this experience, I also played more with normal spins than bonus buys. This mean, nothing different between bonus buy or normal spins.
2051  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 14, 2022, 01:44:49 PM
I do not know how epic he would be playing there, but I know how epic it would be to see him get that much money. This dude shaped his entire career to maximize his talent and his money at the same time. I personally believe that this would be a great reward for it.

How many players ever made 200 million euro in a single year? You could be the greatest player in the entire world and still not make that much money, this dude would be making more money than anyone else has ever made. I believe that he deserves it, and I feel like it is going to be something that would be making sense as well for Al-Nassr as well considering how much attention they would get.

If Ronaldo officially joins Al-Nassr, then he has forgotten his own target. He made many comments against MU after failing to play in the UCL, and said he wanted to leave if MU failed to make it to the UCL next season. After these statement, in the end, he left from Europe. In addition to denying his own words, if he doesn't play in the UCL because prefer to join to Al-Nassr, it means he is satisfied with the title he have so far, or maybe he can't compete with other players in UCL again  Grin

I know, a lot of club hard to pay him with high salary, if he can't accept to reduce his salary, so maybe European club will not able to sign him.
2052  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 14, 2022, 11:23:01 AM
Honestly, I don't understand why the Portuguese coach decided to limit Ronaldo's playing time by putting him on the bench. Of course, Ronaldo's performance in this tournament wasn't impressive, considering he scored only 1 goal. Nevertheless, I think the Portuguese coach should have allowed Ronaldo to enjoy his last matches at the World Cup. So Ronaldo's emotions in those pictures are understandable as he obviously expected that the last World Cup of his career should have been special.

The coach's decision not to choose Ronaldo as a starter because Ronaldo showed dissatisfaction and was angry with the coach's decision when he was subtituted with another player (Group H matches, Portugal vs South Korea). This strategy was effective when Portugal vs Switzerland, but vs Morocco they are failed.



Analyzing the Argentina team here, everyone must say that it is a strong team.  Because Messi is the best in the world and all the players in his team are also very experienced.  But if Argentina can't win the FIFA World Cup this year, it will be in big trouble in the next life. It is doubtful whether they can reach the final.  Because they beat Croatia to confirm the final.  But Lionel Messi has won all the cups in his life but if he can win only one world cup then his life is worth.  Because the big stars have commented that Messi needs this World Cup very much.

Even without Messi, it doesn't mean Argentina can't win the World Cup in the future. There are many young Argentine players who can become good players, for example Thiago Almada, Julian Alvarez. even though they are not top stars players like Messi, but in the future who knows they can lead Argentina to win the World Cup.
2053  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: US is targeting Binance on: December 13, 2022, 04:24:45 PM
Not only the US, I also read UK wants Binance to share user data regarding alleged criminal money flows. This is not good news for crypto. However, as long as it's not directly related to Bitcoin, I think crypto will be fine. of course there will be fluctuations in prices, this is common, there is no need to worry. Therefore, if you have a lot of assets on Binance, it's best to keep them in your personal wallet. So when there are sanctions given to binance and suddenly holding user assets, our assets are safe because have been transferred before.
2054  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 13, 2022, 01:42:06 PM
Ronaldo was extremely upset eleven during the game as he was not allowed to play in his last matches in the fifa world cup and when Portugal didn't score a goal ,Cristiano was send in the field to play he tried his level best to score but as we all know Morroco is at top of its morale and energy and they didn't let him score. 
This was going to be his last World Cup and he failed to score goal and won trophy for his country. But he was ,he is and he will be the best player football history has produced.

Yes Ronaldo's time to play in the world cup is over. however, he currently still has personal goals before he retires from playing football. He still wants to win the Champions League trophy. contract termination of the contract by MU is expected to make the end of his career better and to realize his target.

Let's forget Ronaldo for a moment, we will see the best 4 world cup teams this year. to be honest, I'm still have a little hope for another  surprise from Morocco.
2055  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Using Bonus Buy or Not Using Bonus Buy? on: December 13, 2022, 10:54:59 AM
Since it's gambling, just hope for the best that luck will come to us once we purchased the bonus game feature.
Exactly, btw these are pros and cons, and depend on playing habits.

The first time I played slots, I always used the bonus buy method. I thought I would win big, but not really. When we are unlucky, the money runs out faster.

At the moment, I choose to play normal spins, because several times I won more than the bonus buy when I got free spins. Of course sometimes when bored waiting free spins after more then 200 spins not getting free spins, I making a bonus buy with lower bet.  Grin

OP said it has a bigger chance of winning than normal spins, this is no guarantee. the same as normal spins. If you're lucky, in 100x normal spins, you can get 2-3x free spins, even bigger wins with less money, because it's pay per spins. just remember this is based on luck and how good your reel  Cheesy
2056  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 13, 2022, 08:48:34 AM
I feel for C. Ronaldo for retiring from the world cup without lifting the trophy for his country. The way coaches treat him at this last stage of his career is another embarrassment. -snip

This is a very sad for Ronaldo. The star player who often cries because he can't bring the team for his country lifts the prestigious world cup competition trophy. Ronaldo's best success was at the European level when he was become one of the players who brought Portugal to the EURO championship. Even though he failed, he is a legend who has broken several previous Portuguese player records and became the top goal scorer.


Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11524219/Cristiano-Ronaldo-TEARS-walking-tunnel-Portugal-dumped-World-Cup.html
He is a player who always cries when he fails, even though he is considered to be a temperamental players, but he is the one who always seems to be the saddest player when his club fails.
2057  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 13, 2022, 08:15:14 AM
saya pikir, binance tidak akan untung jika mereka mengakuisi tokocrypto, mereka hanya melakukan bunuh diri karena pemerintah pasti bakal mempersulit mereka berbisnis dengan bebas di indonesia

Mempersulit binance gimana mas? Justru akan lebih baik bagi binance untuk menguasai pasar Indonesia yang pernah tidak tersentuh oleh mereka karena dianggap illegal oleh pemerintah menjadi terbuka sekarang. Dalam proses akuisisi ini, brand tokocrypto yang sudah terdaftar di bappebti hanya perlu diteruskan oleh binance, mereka tidak akan mengganti brand ke Binance, kalau mereka ganti, maka Binance harus terdaftar di Bappebti. Selama masih tokocrypto sebagai brand dan perusahaan yang dijalankan, mereka tidak perlu lagi mengurus izin ini dan itu (CMIIW). dengan ini binance bisa head-2-head dengan indodax dan exchange lokal lainnya. Meskipun saya rasa tokocrypto sudah menang dari Indodax maupun pintu, dari segi kualitas server dan biaya penarikan, tentu menguasai lebih dari itu untuk jangka panjang akan mereka lakukan.

2058  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 13, 2022, 02:53:05 AM
Yup, namanya juga masih hitungan (di atas kertas), bisa juga salah dan benar, sama kayak perhitungan strategi main bola, kita tentu tahu Brazil dapat dipastikan menang karena hitungan di atas kertasnya sangat unggul dari Kroasia, namun kenyataan di lapangan berbanding 360° terhadap hasil.

Hal ini sama saja dengan harga bitcoin, hitungan di atas kertasnya harga pasti akan melewati ATH 2021 dan berkali-kali lipat jika kita melihat prospek cerah di tahun depan dengan banyaknya implementasi-implementasi blockchain yang diterapkan seperti CDBC (rupiah digital) yang akan disalurkan ke Masyarakat, sedikit banyak membuat penasaran tentang teknologi di belakangnya yaitu blockchain dan bitcoin itu sendiri.

Bahkan secara tidak langsung CDBC ini mematahkan retorika halal/haram crypto/bitcoin itu sendiri, karena pemerintah sendiri juga menerapkan apa yang membuat tidak halal tersebut, sehingga secara tidak langsung juga akan membuat harga bitcoin jadi tidak tertahan lagi untuk naik ke atas.

Ya kita lihat saja 2024-2025, jika mungkin ATH bisa ditembus pasca halving dan mencapai titik $100K, siapa tahu bisa naik sesuai prediksi tersebut. Meskipun masih belum hold sedikitpun saat ini  Grin

BTW, saat ini Long-Term holder dilaporkan mencapai new ATH dari yang dirilis Cointelegraph yang dirilis oleh Glassnode, peningkatan ini dari hasil akumulasi sejak Juni

Source; https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-s-bear-market-is-far-from-over-but-data-points-to-improving-investor-sentiment

Data ini sepertinya akan membawa angin segar untuk proses rebound BTC dalam waktu dekat. Kalau dari banyaknya prediksi, proses recovery akan dimulai pada pertengahan 2023, dan puncak pada 2024-2025.
2059  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Qatar world cup Final Predictions on: December 13, 2022, 02:41:02 AM
Croatia managed to qualify for the final in 2018. If they manages to repeat that feat this time as well, then it will be an ultimate irony. A country with a population of less than 4 million will manage to reach the final, when two of the most populous nations (with a combined population of close to 3 billion) didn't even managed to qualify for the main tournament. BTW, I have a feeling that this time the UEFA teams may not feature in the final match. My guess is that the final is going to be played between Argentina and Morocco.

IMO, the favorite final is Croatia vs France, because this will be a "revenge" match for Croatia after their defeat in 2018. However, Croatia must face Argentina, they will not give up on getting the World Cup title and there is a possibility of a winner in this game is Argentina. While the surprise final can be happen too, if Morocco can beat France in the semi-finals, we knows currernt quality players between France and Morocco is not good, but they are success to beat Portugal in 90'. It will be good history for Morocco if they can reach the final. I can't predict they can be the champion, because i think the possibility is France or Argentina.
2060  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: December 12, 2022, 08:50:36 AM
-snip-

dulu ane kira semisal koin backend ventures nya besar kek coinbase ventures seperti koin diatas atau semisal backend Binance Labs anti dump tapi nyatanya  Grin waktu crypto winter kek sekarang kerasa banget sakitnya  Lips sealed sehari hari bisa lihat ATL tapi semisal di masa kek gini masih di develop dan aktif menurut ane bakalan jadi gems waktu bull season datang.

belum tentu juga mas, pengembangan di kondisi sulit belum berarti akan menjadi gem juga. Karena, ketahanan proyek baru akan semakin goyah ketika menggunakan lebih banyak uang untuk pengembangan yang tidak disertai dengan peningkatan investor atau demand dari trader. Mint koin bukan solusi kan, justru akan semakin memperburuk. Sedangkan bertahan dengan koin yang ada, dan uang saat ini semakin menipis, tidak ada harapan kecuali menjual alokasi sedikit demi sedikit. Penjualan untuk pengembangan seperti ini yang kemudian akan membuat altcoin gagal bertahan. Tak jauh beda dengan start-up, saya pernah bekerjad di start-up yang gagal, mereka mengerus uang demi bertahan, meskipun dengan promosi yang sudah sangat minim. Tidak mungkin juga developer akan mengorbankan lebih dari 50% aset pribadi mereka untuk meneruskan pengembangan jika melihat pasar mereka stagnan dan justru menurun.
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