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2081  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 28, 2019, 08:04:03 AM
the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.
2082  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 12:02:01 AM
I'm telling them to shut the fuck up and seek out incremental improvements in their own life-style.


No

You are telling those less fortunate than yourself that you are tired of hearing about their problems, that they should be silent and submissive in the face of oppression.  Do so at your peril.

Personally, I have found that nothing quite gets the attention of those in power like the smell of burning Mercedes upholstery.  

So beware of advising people to take concrete actions to improve their conditions rather than attempting it through dialog.

It has perhaps been too long since certain folks were reminded that the guillotine remains an option.
Illiteracy is far too rampant for 2019.

"Spending time on complaining that could have been spent on finding incremental solutions is retarded/unproductive."

Last paraphrasing I'll do on this. Good luck with your blindfold if you still (apparently choose to not) get it though.


Spoilers: Advocating is not complaining. And slaves can't advocate for themselves if they're captive, so even attempting to make that argument proves that you didn't understand mine in the first place and were simply looking to make unpolitical life advice political. @HM

I don't think Jojo is at all illiterate, nor do I see your 'life advice' as unpolitical.  How can being so dismissive of other views by calling them illiterate, or dismissing advocacy on behalf of those experiencing modern slavery, as Hairy I recall was (which it is reasonable to say with some certainty does exist) come from anything but a dogmatic, if not patently political stance?

I believe that BTCMILLIONAIRE's characterization of illiteracy has to do with the fact that all the counterpoints to what BTCMILLIONAIRE has been writing have nothing whatsoever to do with what BTCMILLIONAIRE has actually been writing. The fact that the responses are so far afield from BTCMILLIONAIRE's written points displays an inability of the counterpointers' to actually comprehend what BTCMILLIONAIRE has written.
2083  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 10:03:42 PM
Clean up all your exif data?

First thing imgur does upon upload, IIRC, is blow away any provided exif data.
Is that a fact? Never uploaded anything on here because I was too lazy to bother with exif.

I don't know whether it is a fact, but that is what imgur claims. And I've never seen such be credibly disputed.
2084  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
You guys should be allowed to shoot your immigrants, its just not right.

They'd think twice then.

Yeah, they got alot of nerve being born on the other side of a line we drew in the sand and to want to get away from the shithole they found themselfs in.

Lawful shoot to kill on all sightings is in order! Smiley

Did not think of you both as idiots until now.... Shame.


So the arguments are now: Take a human life for passing an arbitrary line OR import a tiny fraction of another population and hope the problems in both countries gets magically better.

https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE
2085  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 09:23:52 PM
Anyone heard of these Tangem cards?


I bought the dev kit about a year ago. I was all fired up to delve in feet first, but other priorities got in the way. I'd honestly forgotten about it.
2086  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 27, 2019, 08:51:52 PM
the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.
2087  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2019, 01:02:32 AM
If they wanted to keep tomato pickers out, they would make it illegal for US farmers to hire illegal immigrants and enforce it.   Problem instantly solved.

Well, you'd first need to explain how that does not run afoul of the 13th amendment.

Sorry I am missing the conceptual link between the 13th amendment and a prohibition on hiring illegal immigrants [bait taken]

The link is that conscripting private individuals (i.e., business-owners) to enforce immigration policy is akin to indentured servitude.
2088  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 25, 2019, 10:18:29 PM
Beyond that, as much as I hate Coinbase, after jumping through all their hoops for top-tier verification, they aren't entirely awful, but they can be if you don't play their game. (I think I intentionally put a shoe on my head for my Coinbase verification photo as an extra FU...)

Like a boss.
2089  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 25, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
In Dependent upon, and therefore no sooner than Schnorr.  So “soon”. 

FTFW

"In two weeks"

Of course, that has morphed to

"In 12-18 months"
2090  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 25, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
If they wanted to keep tomato pickers out, they would make it illegal for US farmers to hire illegal immigrants and enforce it.   Problem instantly solved.

Well, you'd first need to explain how that does not run afoul of the 13th amendment.
2091  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll on: January 25, 2019, 08:03:48 PM
Newest article in the case is here: https://financefeeds.com/us-govt-seeks-prison-sentence-bitfunder-operator-jon-montroll/

Not sure what the 27 to 33 months refers to. It's not 30 years or is that another felony? Guess we took the numbers wrongly, those 2 years sound way more sane as punishment for a lie to the sec.

I don't know where you got that 30 years figure to begin with. Each count carries a max of 20 years. Less than max is not unusual for first and/or less-egregious offenders.

While the judge can ignore what the prosecution and the defense are arguing for, and impose anywhere between nothing and max, the typical would be that sentencing is somewhere between these two advocated positions.
2092  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2019, 06:45:08 PM
So what's the deal with Coinbase limits? I logged in after a while and I'm limited to $200 per day transfer from my bank account.

I have everything verified. How do I request an increase?

I just checked my pro.coinbase.com limits. No change. Still... large.

On the upper right pulldown, there should be a link to the 'Limits' page. On that page is a link:

"To be considered for higher withdrawal limits, please request to increase limits."

While that takes you to a form specifically for withdrawal limits, it has a free-text box where you could conceivably clarify your request. Might be a quicker route than support@coinbase.com.
2093  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2019, 07:33:52 AM
I say that both of you (jbreher and BTCMILLIONAIRE) are on the wrong side on this subject. Many times it is just random events, and not the effort.

Which is, of course, why the lazy and the stupid are universally wallowing in riches, and the soup kitchens cater to those that identify opportunities and work ceaselessly to attain the next rung up.

Right.

 Roll Eyes
2094  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2019, 04:56:51 AM
One day, God saw all the horrors that mankind were discovering.

A single tear fell to Earth in a lush green field of grasses - weeping over what his children were doing to themselves.

From this field of ancient grasses, sprung the first sinsemilla, and spread its seed.

It's hard for sinsemilla to spread her seed without losing sinsemilla status!  Grin

Cuttings?
2095  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2019, 04:50:20 AM
Allow me to pull it from the quote above:

Anyone who has time to complain about wealth inequality doesn't really deserve moving upwards in the food chain, as they could've invested the same time on figuring out sensible goals for their life as well as some steps towards them.

You're welcome.

If you truly believe that is globally true then you are either blind or a fool. first world views for first world problems.
You cannot think beyond Nintendo fat slobs that leach off society.
The world goes beyond your front yard.

What opportunities can these kids take advantage of?

https://www.child-soldiers.org/where-are-there-child-soldiers

I have no idea. I'm not on the ground where '56 non-state organizations' in '14 warring countries' are employing kids in this manner. All opportunity is specific to the individual. You're going to need to be more precise in your inquiry.

But to come full circle, what does that have to do with BITMILLIONAIRE's original statement? I shall repeat it once again, should you have already forgotten.

Anyone who has time to complain about wealth inequality doesn't really deserve moving upwards in the food chain, as they could've invested the same time on figuring out sensible goals for their life as well as some steps towards them.
2096  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2019, 10:31:32 PM
Anyone who has time to complain about wealth inequality doesn't really deserve moving upwards in the food chain, as they could've invested the same time on figuring out sensible goals for their life as well as some steps towards them.

QFT.

+1

What he said.

What if they used the time, then figured out the solutions and then realized every one of those solutions would get them killed so decided to just sit back and complain until someone else finds a better solution that doesn't get them killed?

I can't even figure out what you are getting at. Working on life will get you killed? I guess in some sense. In the long run, we're all dead.

Life is hard. Buck up, bucko - or get lapped by those willing to put in the work.

I dated a girl for a number of years.

Her father was wealthy and powerful.  He owned 25+ houses that he rented out.  He was also a drunk and highly abusive.

The mother eventually divorced him after a series of domestic violence incidents.  The father decided to make the mother's life a living hell.   He hired lawyers to sue the mother for everything under the sun, stalked the mother and tried to destroy her friendship networks.  This went on for five years.  

The mother grew deeply depressed and semi suicidal.  My girlfriend and her sister at the age of 8 had to get the mother out of bed in the morning, get her dressed so the mother could drive them to school.  Some days they couldn't get their mother out of bed so they missed school.  

My girlfriend was incredibly smart and motivated but she missed a lot of school during that five year period.  It affected her grades and she had to work hard to try to catch up.  She also had the mental load of trying to parent her own mother through the divorce and aftermath.  There is no doubt in my mind if she had had a normal, stable childhood, she would have been a surgeon or rocket scientist.  Instead she will likely never achieve her full potential.  

Let's not kid ourselves that everyone has equality of opportunity.  Because they don't.

Relevance of anecdote?

Sounds to me as if you are claiming that, seeing as we all have access to different opportunities, it isn't even worth trying to improve your circumstance.

I call bullshit on that. Everyone has the same opportunity to endeavor to improve their situation.

Show me where anyone said otherwise. no one said someone can not ATTEMPT to better their standard because of where that standard started. Your argument is a red herring fallacy or your reading comprehension has failed you. Nice try on qualifying a statement to change it's content though.

Anyone saying that success is linked to hardwork deserves to be let alone in any third world country to see how their hardwork will be rewarded. Or in any poor family in any Western country.

Absolute twaddle.

The circumstances of one's birth are relevant, indeed. However, anyone who works hard will experience more success than one who does not. Period.

Absolute bullshit again trying to change the argument to suit your reply.

Allow me to pull it from the quote above:

Anyone who has time to complain about wealth inequality doesn't really deserve moving upwards in the food chain, as they could've invested the same time on figuring out sensible goals for their life as well as some steps towards them.

You're welcome.
2097  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2019, 10:21:58 PM
https://www.wbtc.network/
"WBTC is the first ERC20 token backed 1:1 with Bitcoin. Transparent, 100% verifiable, open and community led.
Starting January 2019
WBTC brings greater liquidity to the Ethereum ecosystem including decentralized exchanges (DEXs) and financial applications. Today, the majority of trading volume takes place on centralized exchanges with Bitcoin. WBTC changes that, bringing Bitcoin’s liquidity to DEXs and making it possible to use Bitcoin for token trades."

Not understanding. If it is backed 1:1 by Bitcoin, then WTF is the point?
2098  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2019, 10:15:31 PM
What really is BS is stating that everyone has the same opportunity to endeavour to improve their situation. In order to do that you'll need, well, opportunity. If you're totally tied up in whatever circumstances you might not have that.

Not everybody has the same opportunities. But everybody has opportunities.

Quote
This idea that anyone can just 'break free' at any time from any circumstances is just plain naive frankly.

Not break free. Rise above.

The discussion started with an observation that there is a permanent whiner class that does nothing other than whine.
2099  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
you need to be a shark or step on someone else to succeed.

Literally nobody has been saying this in this thread. How is it that you confuse 'work hard' with 'be a shark or step on someone'?
2100  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2019, 06:15:03 PM
Anyone saying that success is linked to hardwork deserves to be let alone in any third world country to see how their hardwork will be rewarded. Or in any poor family in any Western country.

Absolute twaddle.

The circumstances of one's birth are relevant, indeed. However, anyone who works hard will experience more success than one who does not. Period.
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