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2101  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Trading Harian, Mingguan & Bulanan on: December 01, 2022, 02:49:45 AM
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Pengalaman di exchange.io ....
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Eh ternyata ada juga pengguna exchange ini. Ini exchange yang baik sih menurut saya, sebelum penutupan, Exchange.io memberikan waktu kepada pengguna untuk melakukan penarikan semua asetnya. Jadi, selama pengguna aware terhadap pemberitahuan dari exchange ini, mereka tidak akan kehilangan aset. Berbeda dengan exchange yang berdalih kena hack dan sebagainya, kebangkrutan exchange.io ini tidak mencuri aset pengguna dan tanpa alasan berkelit untuk mencegah penarikan dari pengguna.

FTX mengaku dihack tetapi sebelumnya CEO bisa menghabiskan banyak uang untuk bermewah-mewah  Grin
2102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Centralized and Decentralized Exchanges Binance research on: November 30, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
What if the actual collapse of FTX is because of Binance and this is all planned for months? Can you/we imagine what will happen if Binance go down the same road? :|

The news if CZ binance selling his FTX because it's considered to be the trigger for the destruction of FTX in the market. However, this wasn't the main reason why CZ did it. Many opinions expressed by members of this forum. In their view, CZ took the right way to making everything is fine for his asset,and seeing  FTX's business which was on the verge of collapse.
2103  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 30, 2022, 07:54:45 PM

I haven't heard of Ac milan being interested in him, or maybe you are just giving your own suggestions on suitable places for him, which is fine, Ac milan won't be a bad option, they won their league last season, and this season they are in the round of 16 of the champions league, the team is doing good, they are bringing back the old years, they can't fully bring it back, but they can try. Ziyech is a good player, but i don't even think Ac milan would be interested in him, they have good attackers already, and Ziyech has not really show his quality at club level for months now. If Ziyech wants to get playing time, he should move to a small club for now and try to perform well and make himself attractive again to the big teams. If he moves to a big club right now he would not still get time to play frequently.

At the start of the season, AC Milan announced their interest in Ziyech. Even though it failed at that time, news of AC Milan's interest in Ziyech become trending at the moment. This proves there is still a chance for AC Milan to bring in this player. However,I agree with your opinion, the main issue is whether the playing opportunity that Milan will give Ziyech will be good or not. Milan very often buying players in a hurry, in the end the new player is never used.
2104  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 30, 2022, 07:48:48 PM
If Ronaldo still has the same mindset then he might still turn down this incredible offer by Al-Nassr side. I think he is still passionate to play for a European team now. He just wants to continue performing in the Champions League. He couldn't do it with Manchester United this season maybe but he can still find himself a team that compete in there.

The saudi arabia league is very far from the attention of football fans in the world. If I may compare, MLS league is still more attractive to European star players than playing in Saudi Arabia, because in history, old players from top team in the Euripe, can accept best offer from MLS club. So it's very reasonable if Ronaldo decides to look for a club in Europe. We already know Ronaldo expects to play in UCL (at least) if he can't get the title. because after his move from Real Madrid, Ronaldo did not get a title from this competition.
2105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How many of you believe in Litecoin? on: November 29, 2022, 03:30:04 PM
I don't believe in the $500 for LTC, but in stable 100 it is quite possible.New investors who come to the crypto market do not often buy old assets, they are more interested in more modern meme coins and tokens.I often buy some,if I have free money and use it even more often if I need to send funds between exchanges.I think a lot of people do that.

LTC is a coin that manages to follow the direction of movement of bitcoin price when bullish and bearish. For me, it doesn't matter if this coin is out of date. But, what is important is to keep it for a long term investment, LTC is more convincing than meme tokens which you think as a modern projects. I know, a lot of people hope to suffer the same fate as when doge reaches ATH, because doge is just a meme coin too. There is nothing wrong with that thought. But, if you don't think about the long term, have you looked at the research on how many thousands of meme tokens are being lost today with millions of dollars of investors' money that definitely won't be able to come back? Whereas you buy 1 LTC right now at $75, it will be safer to hold than buying 10,000,000 (meme tokens) worth $50 hoping that it will last as long as LTC.
2106  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bringing it back to your ears: Not your keys, not your coins on: November 29, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
So far, I've only connected my wallet to AMM (pancakeswap, Uniswap) for altcoins, and have never imported my bitcoin account into any 3rd party wallet. I better send btc when I need to send for withdrawal, and keep it in a trusted wallet (the one I use, electrum). If there is such an wallet integration feature on Binance, users need to create another wallet that is specifically designed to receive only a certain amount. Don't integrate a primary wallet which has big money value in it to any exchange even with seed phrase import feature, learn from any hacked exchange in history, when people lost their asset from this case. and we never know, where 3rd party saving our seed phrase, if it stored on server, its mean your account not really save.
2107  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [GUIDE] Pertimbangkan Faktor ini Sebelum Bergabung Dengan Kampanye Berbayar BTC on: November 29, 2022, 02:57:41 PM
Ya mungkin saja om, ada motif dibalik kebaikan beberapa user kepada forum. Hari ini cukup kaget juga sih Duelbits buka banyak peserta untuk Campaign. Saya tidak tahu secara pasti, apakah ini memang strategi pemasaran dari Tim atau ada motif lainnya?

Bulan ini adalah bulan Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆 jadi mereka mungkin sedang mengejar untuk mendapatkan title tersebut. Tapi ini sebatas perkiraan saja, bukan berarti mereka yang mereport komentar pengen mendapatkan title tersebut. Juga, harus diperhatikan riwayat komentar yang dibuat oleh pengguna, kenapa dihapus, dengan demikian kita bisa menemukan letak kesalahannya. Karena 90 komentar itu banyak lho, ga mungkin asal-asalan dalam melaporkan demi sebuah title.
2108  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 29, 2022, 02:49:53 PM
Just see the latest news about him and it seems like there was a report about ac milan may try to give chelsea an offer for him again https://football-italia.net/milan-preparing-offer-for-chelsea-winger-ziyech/

I don't know whether that news can be trusted or not but im sure that makes sense to see that milan amazed with ziyech's performance during world cup. He deserves more time to play. He has potential for sure

Yes, Ziyech needs more time to play to be able to show his best performance. Maybe, if Milan signed Ziyech, Milan should have a place for him to become a starting XI player. but, What I'm worried, Milan keeping Ziyech on the bench and not playing. So whether to move or not doesn't change anything for his career, he is 29 years old now, with the lack of games while he was at Chelsea and if he joined Milan he get the same thing, so he might be only have a chance to play with lower tier clubs.
2109  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 29, 2022, 02:14:37 PM
it really is unbelievable how roma is just going downhill, they have to think about spending money to sign more new players to improve the team or they are doomed to fail this season, from what i see they not only have problems in defense but also in attacking serie A Roma's biggest problem is not in defence, Roma's biggest problem is in attack. they don't manage to score many goals constantly in each game and this is making them found in serie A. mourinho needs to sign at least 2 players who score a lot of goals

The most important is how Mourinho brings a team with a mediocre transfer budget like this to the top. Mourinho really built a team while at Porto, after that, he got a team with a big budget to buy players. Like being dependent on money instead of scouting for talent. However, if Roma entrusted Mourinho for a longer time, there could be improvements. but I don't know, if the magic from Mourinho doesn't appear again,  Lips sealed
2110  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 29, 2022, 02:00:01 PM

Kalau setahu saya, untuk bitcoin, desentralisasi exchangenya menggunakan Bisq [1].

Yup, Bisq sering direkomendasikan oleh top member yang enggan melakukan KYC. Tapi, saya tidak pernah menggunakan Bisq sama sekali, meskipun sudah mengerti keberadaan bisq ini sejak lama.

-snip- Kalau agan ingin beli BTC dengan fiat tapi ga pengen pake exchange atau tidak ingin tergantung dengan pihak ketiga, bisa coba Bisq.

Apakah bisa deposit/WD dengan IDR di Bisq secara langsung ke e-wallet lokal? karena kalau masih harus menggunakan skrill dan payment lainnya yang berbasis luar negeri saya tidak pernah bikin  Grin
2111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Elon Musk says the price of BTC will rise on: November 28, 2022, 01:30:47 PM
Well like all of us I was happy when I heard Elon Musk make an bullish statement that Bitcoin will rise.  When he said that BTC will make it but might be a long winter it made me help to realize that Like him or not the man has some influence in what he speaks.

There are so many people that like him or people that hate him that will listen to him because of how wealthy and powerful he is. His confidence in the price of Bitcoin being a long term investment really gives me more confidence in my long term goal and to make me continue to HODL.

There are some people who meet the type of "likes Elon Musk's tweets"
1. Whales: they can create and organized flash pump on an exchange to increase the price of BTC simultaneously at a specified time and got the profit.
2. Traders who often do short take profits (following flash pump and close before getting down): generally these traders are those who take advantage of the moment when there is a flash pump from Elon's tweet to get instant profit.

IMO, Both of these trader models are happy with Elon's tweets. However, the consequence is, those who are not from these two models and also not a long terms holder, I'm sure some will become victims of FOMO and buy at the peak and then they are making panic sell.
2112  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 28, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
Ziyech will be moving on januarty. AC milan might become the new club for him rather than MU. His contribution in chelsea was not a lot compared with another player. AC milan may finish his transfer from chelsea on january and let's see what will be the result.
He better moves from chelsea rather than always sitting in the bench. Chelsea can't give him more chance and he must think about ac milan may become a good club for his career.

Ziyech was offered by AC Milan at the start of the season on loan and buy option. But this offer failed. And this season, Ziyech at Chelsea can't get a chance from his coach until the world cup. He only played once this season so far, but in the world cup he emerged as a hero for Morocco. Although the Moroccan coach suggested Milan to sign Ziyech, it is not impossible after this world cup Chelsea began to believe in his quality and thwarted Milan to sign him once again.
2113  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 28, 2022, 12:57:43 PM
-snip- It will be funny if, after the break, Napoli starts to increase the gap and not give chances to competitors, as many expect.

Yes, we are all still guessing and just looking at the history that happened to Napoli in the last few seasons after the mid-season break, Napoli showing bad performance. However, this season Napoli can give a much different result. There is a possibility that Napoli will making more points gap from Milan and Juventus with consistent performance. Napoli may just need to focus on their every game. They also have to remember that there are Top 3 killers from the lower and middle-tier teams in Serie A they are Torino, Sassuolo and Udinese are the teams they have to watch out for besides the big 4 Serie-A.
2114  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you still win with free spins? on: November 28, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Dear it is free spins. If you think free spins give bigger amount so it is not possible.

In betting you bet your amount than you get the reward. In this if you win than you will get your amount.

But free spins are free and in this case you will never get big amount and not sure that the withdraw will be possible or not.

I don't agree with the word " not possible". to be honest, free spins do not promise 100% winnings, i know that. But for some chances, you can get a lot of money from free spins feature.

I agree with your statement that the reward is can be smaller than the total amount of bets we make when we get free spins, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a lot of money. It all depends on your luck when you get these features.
2115  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 25, 2022, 12:47:02 PM
Here we have to check few things before talking about Allegri and Juventus performance in early rounds of this season they have around 12 injuries which were not allowing them to have their best and things were worst for the team like Juventus which is surely well known by board and all fans but still Allegri done amazing job and keep his teams spirit high and as he has some recovery now they are back in business which is surely masterclass from them with this now they can fight hard for having their best result in this season even they are badly out of the Champions League but hopes high, and they still can do good in this season with their available resources with this all now fans and management is also feeling good.

Yes, we understand the condition of Juventus at that time, but it is sometimes unacceptable for most fans and staff who just want to win every matches. When I read the news about the deadline for Allegri, I thought that Juventus might make another mistake if they really sacked Allegri this season. I remember what AC Milan did, when they were down with Allegri, they sacked him and the downturn was not because Allegri couldn't train well, but Milan hard to buying good players who matched with Allegri strategy. IMO
2116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cloud mining on: November 25, 2022, 12:37:34 PM
How much was your money there? So, there's already that change of terms that they do frequently. That's already a red flag and yet they haven't been taken down too early during that time.


Not much, I invested less than $100. So it's not so painful even if they become a scam. However, as long as I am a member, I have earned around $100 from mining excluding capital. But it is only nominal as there is no way to make withdrawals.

It seems that your wish is the same as mine.  I also have always been looking for eth and btc mining sites that give results quickly.  However, it seems that it is very difficult to find it, especially if the site we are referring to is without making a deposit first

ETH has moved to the stake method, if anyone offers ETH mining, it's 100% a scam. BTC mining, you should buy your own mining hardware, don't use the cloud, because cloud mining will only lead you to become a scam victim too. There are no quick results, every mining service if offering you instant/quick/fast ROI 100% i'm sure its a scam.
2117  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: LegoCoin, Koin Meme Yang Kelihatan Seperti Menjanjikan on: November 25, 2022, 12:21:32 PM
Catatan bantuan : Saya membutuhkan bantuan Anda dan teman-teman semua agar saya dapat menyertakan gambar di setiap utas atau postingan saya, jadi saya sangat membutuhkan dari agan semua. Terima kasih atas perhatian dan bantuannya, dan bantuan dari kalian tidak akan saya lupakan.

Anda bisa melakukannya sendiri dengan menjadi Copper Member dengan mengikuti link ini .

Kemudian, mengenai menjanjikan yang Anda perkirakan, apakah ada penjelasan lebih detail dengan hal tersebut? Karena yang Anda sampaikan pada thread sebatas pengenalan mengenai proyek dan tidak dapat mencerminkan masa depan yang menjanjikan.

Bukan untuk mengirimkan FUD. Tapi sebagai saran, jika Anda memprediksikan token ini menjanjikan, harus bisa lebih rinci penjelasannya mengapa bisa demikian. Jadi, akan mendorong ketertarikan member (mungkin).

Tetapi, menurut saya, token ini sedang dalam kondisi yang memprihatinkan. Pasalnya volume trading sedikit. Hanya $3-4K. Ini sudah berada di ujung tanduk. Holdernya cukup banyak, lebih dari 20K holders, tapi tidak memiliki volume, apakah mereka awalnya mendapatkan token ini dari airdrop atau bagaimana?
2118  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Perkembangan Perdagangan Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency sebagai aset komoditas on: November 25, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
Jadi, meskipun sudah masuk daftar legal Bappebti, tetap mesti pertimbangkan matang-matang sebelum memutuskan memilih investasi/trading pada aset kripto manapun terutama aset kripto yang tergolong baru/secara fundamental belum banyak teruji, termasuk juga dalam menyimpan aset di exchange.
Memang sudah seharusnya tidak selalu menjadikan hal ini sebagai tolok ukur. Seperti yang saya sebutkan pada thread lain Bappebti hanya menjembatani, melakukan riset yang dibutuhkan. Tetapi, setiap kejadian yang akan terjadi pada suatu koin di masa yang akan datang, itu bukan bagian dari riset tersebut. Jadi, koin apa pun yang menjadi pilihan Bappebpti sebagai aset kripto yang boleh diperdagangkan di Indonesia, bukan berarti 100% sehat. Akan tetapi berdasarkan kondisi saat Bappebpti melakukan riset dan mengambil keputusan, koin tersebut saat itu dikategorikan layak untuk diperdagangkan di Indonesia. Tapi, masa depannya, tetap bergantung pada pengembang maupun komunitas (untuk community coin).
2119  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 25, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Manipulasi yang mungkin terjadi mungkin sejenis pool yang tiba-tiba tidak jadi liquid karena likuditas ditarik oleh tim, atau lainnya.

Istilah penarikan ini disebut dengan rugpull, ini memang sering terjadi. Tetapi, ini bukan manipulasi aset pengguna maupun manipulasi harga. Karena memang likuiditas masih dikuasai oleh tim, jadi rug pull ini pun sangat mudah dilakukan. Tapi memang ngeri hal seperti ini, karena exchange yang sejatinya decentralized, memiliki kelemahan seperti ini. Walaupun saat ini ada banyak layanan penguncian aset tim yang dijadikan liquidity, tetepsaja ini juga tidak lepas dari manipulasi jumlah aset yang benar-benar dikunci.

Tapi hal ini bisa diamati dengan mudah lewat tools lain yang udah ada selama usernya mau.

Pengamatan gimana ya mas? apakah maksud mas mengamati liquidity di berbagai exchange atau pergerakan token tersebut pada exchange? Karena setahu saya, kalau sudah terjadi rugpull tidak bisa diamati, karena dalam sepersekian detik liquidity sudah amblas. CMIIW
2120  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 24, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Perlu diingat juga kalau pake AMM dengan smart contract, ketika ada exploit ada juga risiko token agan raib ketika agan lupa revoke permission, jadi jangan lupa buat revoke secara reguler meskipun agan make AMM yang "terpercaya", apalagi di website phishing.
Yup. kelemahan dari AMM adalah masalah exploit melalui smartcontract yang hanya membutuhkan akses permision untuk melakukan transaksi in & out. Sudah banyak korban berkaitan dengan kasus ini.  kondisi terparah adalah rugpull yang terjadi kapan saja. Namun, kalau berbicara soal manipulasi, trading di AMM tidak ada cara untuk memanipulasi nilai aset pada akun, karena terhubung dengan wallet kita sendiri. Tidak seperti pada centralized exchange yang hanya menunjukkan value namun belum tahu diaman sebenarnya uang kita. web pishing bisa terjadi pula pada centralized, jadi ini perlu diwaspadai untuk mengunjungi web apa pun.
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