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2121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cloud mining on: November 24, 2022, 12:22:37 PM

Haha, I remember when I'm using their service and never find a way to makes a withdrawal since they are always change the minimum terms to request a withdrawal. Until i they are turn as a scam i never get my money  Grin


@OP with your current money, you don't need to use cloud mining to get BTC, just trade it, with trading skill you can increase your BTC. if you don't have a skill to trade, just hold it and save your BTC to your own wallet (electrum or Bitcoin wallet). If you wants to buy an altcoin, and wants to increase your holding, try to find altcoin with staking feature. such as Cardano, Uniswap, Pancakeswap. But same as using cloud mining, if you wants higher rewards, you need to invest more.always DYOR and DWYOR before you make a decision.
2122  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you still win with free spins? on: November 24, 2022, 12:09:43 PM
Most of gambling casino is giving a lot of free spins to the player who makes a deposit with a designated amount also have designated spins as rewards but the free spins are just bonuses but it doesn't give the same value as your spins just like cents and those free spins more likely having a range from 20$ winnings I'm not saying they are giving with this amount but a possible average of winning, still ideal you have enough budget to play more spins to get a huge amount of multiplier, don't get rely in free spins only its just bonus deposit.

Free spins for deposit is a kind of bonus by making a deposit, the same promo as a deposit and get a 100% bonus to your account balance. However, if you get free spins from slots, it's really different. It doesn't depend on how much you are making deposit, but are we lucky or not from our spins to get the feature and making a double money from multiplier bonus during spins we get. And about the reward also depend on our luck, nothing else.

correct me if i misunderstanding what you mean here
2123  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Avoiding exchange flat rate withdrawal fee on Bitcoin when sending in Casino on: November 24, 2022, 12:00:47 PM
If you want to hold BTC, then keep it in your own wallet. If you send a doge to a casino to exchange bitcoins, I'm quite confused why you are doing this way? If you really want to hold, can't you just use the Fiat-BTC exchange and send your BTC to your wallet. Are you thinking about fees? Whereas in casinos generally every deposit requires TO before being able to withdraw money. If it is not controlled, of course, before reaching TO, the money may run out.

Well, try to use BK8, there is an options to withdraw BTC without fees, but maybe you will find a different rates from BK8 and exchange price. At least, you can get free trx fees from there. About deposit, only 3 options for crypto so far, with USDT, ETH and BTC. you can request withdrawal after 1x TO from your deposit.
2124  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 24, 2022, 11:48:36 AM

These days the conditions are clearly different and Allegri proved himself that with their players returning it was enough to make all the haters silent with the Juventus game.

Whatever is happening at Juventus at the moment is something to be expected. I don't hate Juventus at all, but seeing juventus performance at the beginning of the season I was a little surprised. I remember when the Juventus board threatened Allegri, this was proof that the Juventus officials were also angry with Juve's performances this season. Sometimes pressure from official and fans are needed when coach failed to give their best.
2125  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: November 23, 2022, 03:22:20 PM
Tiap orang punya opsi mereka masing-masing mau yang beresiko atau tidak. Tapi tentu yang beresiko akan menghasilkan banyak keuntungan jika berhasil.
dan yang paling penting juga adalah bagaimana membangun Portofolio Manajemen yang baik, sehingga asset tidak hanya diam di satu tempat.
Diversifikasi diperlukan untuk membangun portofolio yang sehat.


Yup, berani mengambil risiko memang dapat memperbaiki keadaan, tetapi kita juga harus ingat terlalu sering mengambil risiko juga tidaklah bagus, apalagi jika trading baru sebatas "ikut-ikutan". Kita tahu betul, ketika hype meme koin sudah memakan banyak korban trader pemula karena ambisi keuntungan berlipat. Jangan sampai kondisi seperti ini terulang. Memang, hashflow ini bukanlah token meme, dilihat dari volume 24 jam juga cukup bagus menyentuh USD10juta. Tetapi, apakah ini jaminan akan terus berada di level ini, kan belum tentu juga. Makanya saya sedikit mengingatkan, kalau masih belum siap dengan risiko terburuk, sebaiknya lakukan analisa lebih lanjut.  Wink
2126  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 23, 2022, 03:11:02 PM
Napoli don't have to worry much about the world cup and their players because they don't bring many of them compared to other teams and above all they are not players who can influence the championship so Napoli can rest assured

Break the transfer window and also the world cup will still have an effect on the team. Even though they are not part of the national team squad that represents their country for world cup. Example the physical and mental health of the players that will change when the league returns. This is something that the teams who are fighting for the championship need to be wary of. Changes in the formation of opposing players from the transfer window can make the opposing team better. So, Napoli must be careful and maintain the physical and mental players in order to continue to appear consistent after this break.
2127  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: November 23, 2022, 03:00:57 PM
Japan give a surprises for Germany. Germany is a team that is actually become favorite in this match. however they find it difficult to score goals through organized attacks. The goals scored by Germany are due to a penalty. This is a warning for Hansi Flick and team for their next match against Spain will definitely be more difficult for their defense. if they lose the matches vs spain, it seems they can only depend on the result of Japan vs Costa Rica.
2128  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 23, 2022, 11:05:31 AM
I don't think that Ronaldo would like to play for Newcastle united over Chelsea, While there's already a link for him to be signed by Chelsea during the last window transfer, Too Current Chelsea position in the league is another big problem for Ronaldo to move to Chelsea in January, I guess one of his reasons to leave Man United as at that time was due to abscent in the Champions League competition, However the season is not yet over and he can help Chelsea turn things around for them, if he wants to play in Chelsea.

I think if the UCL was the reason for Ronaldo to leave, he has moved since the start of the season 2021-22. However, Ronaldo decided to stay at Manchester United at least till end of season to give a chance for MU and Ten Haag. For now, the main problem experienced by Ronaldo is the disharmony of his relationship with the MU coach. Now he is free to choose which club he will go after MU and him reach mutual agreement. But, I'm sure the ones who can afford it are a team that has good finances. This means rumors if Roma will sign Ronaldo may not come true.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-official-statement-on-cristiano-ronaldo-22-november-2022
2129  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 23, 2022, 10:39:09 AM
karena atas kejadian ftx dimana bosnya ternyata pakai duit user, tapi nilai di exchange tidak berkurang artinya semua bisa di manipulasi, apa lagi kalau crypto di storagenya jarang atau gak pernah diaudit. Sehingga bisa seenaknya pakai dana user di storage buat berinvestasi di tempat lain, jadi ketika terjadi sesuatu dan user mau narik dana, duit di storage gak ada karena terpakai di investasi lain.


Mengingat mengenai manipulasi, artinya memang benar, kita trading hanya melihat nilai saja pada akun yang kita miliki, sedangkan aslinya, uang kita tidak berada di dalam exchange tersebut. perubahan jumlah saat menjual pun hanya mengikuti harga yang tertera pada exchange, namun tetap saja uang ini hanya ilusi. bisa dikatakan uang tersebut uang asli hanya ketika kita sudah berhasil menariknya ke rekening atau ke wallet untuk kripto. Hal ini yang kemudian memudahkan pemilik exchange untuk menggunakan uang pengguna karena kita tidak pernah mengetahui di mana sebenarnya uang kita. Mungkin hal inilah yang membuat bagaimana bos FTX menggunakan uang pengguna.


trading yang paling nyaman memang dengan metode P2P atau AMM seperti yang kita lakukan di Uniswap dan Pancakeswap. Dimana transaksi dari wallet tanpa harus memindahkan ke exchange. tetapi metode perdagangan AMM tidak bisa dilakukan untuk bitcoin. tetapi, bagaimana pun kita juga sadar bahwa exchange centralized juga diperlukan, karena biasanya lebih memudahkan pengguna, tapi risikonya sudah sering dihadapi FTX 2022, Cryptopia 2019 dan exchange lainnya yang tidak dapat menarik uang sepeserpun dengan dalih karena kasus hack.
2130  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: November 22, 2022, 02:19:36 PM
Sebaik-baiknya altcoin adalah ethereum menjadi altcoin pertama yang mampu beriringan dengan bitcoin.
perkembangan juga terus dilakukan dan baik untuk jangka panjang.

Benar ETH adalah altocin yang memiliki pengembangan yang bagus dengan dukungan komunitas yang kuat, ETC dan LTC juga akan menjadi altcoin yang lebih baik untuk dihold jangka panjang daripada token baru. Ini bukan tentang ATH saja, tapi kelayakan untuk jangka panjang yang sepertinya lebih baik.


Meski demikian, saya tidak pernah melarang siapa pun yang ingin membeli koin yang disebutkan oleh OP ini. Jika memang Anda merasa ini baik, silakan saja. Yang penting dan sering saya ingatkan adalah analisa dan riset sendiri sebelum melakukan pembelian akan jauh lebih baik dari apa pun yang ditawarkan maupun dikomentari oleh member-member di sini, termasuk saya. Wink.
2131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Elon Musk says the price of BTC will rise on: November 22, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
He just saying it because he also wanted dogecoin to move. We all knew that once bitcoin started to go up everything will follow thru and those are mid scale projects. Even shitcoin can pump without any reason.

I'm still surprised why so many people still have hope in Elon's tweets. IMO, Elon's tweet is now meaningless after a lot of people have suffered losses when he managed to bring doge to ATH which almost touched $1. However, BTC doesn't need Elon to go up, because in time, without Elon's tweets, BTC will find the way to bullish periode as before, even though we don't know when it will happen.

Just to warn anyone, becareful with any influence tweet to buy any coins, because someday it can be the worst decisions.
2132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: What happens if binance and tether goes down on: November 22, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
This depends on where you store it. If you keep it on an exchange then this will be a big disaster for you. If binance goes bankrupt (for example), what happens to bitcoin maybe just decreasing in trading volume but this could be temporary just remember, the value of bitcoin fell in terms of price not with the bitcoin it self. If no centralized exchange, i believe community will open P2P trading like the first time bitcoin used for pizza.
2133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 22, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Napoli is playing really well, and it is not a coincidence. Also performing really consistently. And that consistency is needed if they want to win the title.
I am just waiting to see how they will perform after the World Cup because it might be hard for them to continue with the same pace after a big break.


Of course, there's no doubt that they are progressing for the title, but they still need consistency in the mid-season. the world cup and the transfer window are two conditions that can change the rhythm of the game for all clubs, this can makes the club better or vice versa. So, this moment must be maximized by Napoli to maintain their performance. Many doubted Napoli in the mid-season, do you think this can be happens once again?
2134  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or wait till the end on: November 22, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
idk, doesn't sound so hard for me
it comes to putting on a balance "your desire to earn more" vs "your fear of losing what you got"

there are way harder decisions to make in life like deciding if you marry or by a bicycle.
For me, not a matter of difficult or not. but more often decide to stop an making a cash out with a specific target. For example, if I start with $50 I will stop when I reach a minimum of $300. However, this does often trap me in bad results, because often when I reach $200 my winnings are forfeited. LOL.
But this can be a good point when we have to stop rather than not having a target when to stop because it can drain all the winnings.
2135  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Do You Rate The Casino's Support You're Playing on: November 22, 2022, 12:23:01 PM
Do you think support should not attack the personality of the player and concentrate on the issue?
Do you think casino management should get support with backgrounds in human relations and psychology to understand the action and behavior of the complainants and address it in a proper way?
Do you think support can make or break the casino's reputation?

1. This is a must. Casino support should focus on the problem first rather than making a problem the cause of the player. Unless there is strong evidence coming from the player, in the end it must be returned to the player.

2. The support team is to support users and solve problems. A good company will have good support team for its customers/users. So management must instill this in their support team.

3. Of course the support team will create a bad reputation for the company/casino. Because support is a party that deals directly with customers and if the customer is not satisfied with the support service, i believe company/casino will get a bad rating from users.
2136  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 21, 2022, 03:20:07 PM
Furthermore, they have also been able to maintain a very consistent level of performance. As a result, they are being rewarded for their efforts. And I think we should give them credit for it. But the main thing is they will have to play consistently in the future as well because we have seen how they have performed poorly in the later part of the season.

Who thinks Napoli are lucky, they forgot how Napoli played in recent seasons. we know, Napoli failed to get title and even experienced a decline after entering the second half of the season. However, the process of improving their game can be built from there. This season could be the peak of their best performance. I'm not saying it will 100%, because the results of the world cup for their players and the results of the transfer windows of all teams in Serie A can affect the final result. Become the top of the standings at this time is not a lucky but this is a process of their efforts over the last few seasons. just waiting for their consistency for more time and not making the same mistake again to get the title.
2137  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: We Feel All The Emotions When We Gamble on: November 21, 2022, 02:57:32 PM
Because why do you keep playing if it is not healthy for your mental health? A gambler who's having a hard time controlling himself can't stop regardless of what he feel when he gamble. It's not only about the emotions, but the kind of gambler you are when you're playing and how you handle the situation.

This is a very bad condition. The main reason that can make a gambler have a bad psychology is lose. Many of those who have lost in gambling continue to try to win with the excuse of wanting to return the losses. Play continuously until they forget that too much money has been spent so their emotions and mentality isn't healty anymore. When he feels he can win and this feeling cannot be changed, maybe the worst will be happens to him. and it will be possible for him to do various ways to gamble and in the end commit a crimes activity. There are many cases that can be used as examples. How good people then become thieves just because they are wants to gamble again. This is the result of excessive desire to play without controlling emotions, playing management and money management.
2138  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2022 Group Stage Highlights on: November 21, 2022, 02:43:35 PM
England has managed to score 5 goals against Iran so far ('73). This is a victory that most football fans have predicted. Even though Iran managed to score 1 goal, they are still find it difficult to catch up to the other 4 goals. I don't think there are any strong teams in Group B, and I'm sure England will have no problem getting 9 points in this group stage.
2139  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: November 21, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Kayaknya memang beda pemikiran antara holder dan trader, Mungkin beda di moment beli dan jualnya saja , kalau holder belinya mungkin 10-12 tahun lalu dan belum dijual sampe sekarang, holder jelas enngak tahu apa itu trend. Sedangkan trader jauh lebih pintar memanfaatkan moment sehingga opit terus dengan memanfaatkan situasi dan kondisi.

Memang beda mas, holder menjadikan kripto sebagai investasi jangka panjang. mereka hanya menyimpan menjual ketika mereka merasa sudah cukup berinvestasi karena ada keuntungan yang didapat atau karena alasan lain. Kalau trader sebagian menjadikan kegiatan jual beli ini untuk mencari keuntungan setiap hari.

Kemudian, masalah FUD dan analisa juga berbeda sih.

Kalau FUD ini menyebarkan suatu berita untuk menjadikan seseorang mengalami kepanikan dan melakukan panic selling dalam tempo cepat. Ibarat ada yang mengirimkan berita tentang ban bitcoin, hack bitcoin dan sebagainya. Ini masuk dalam ranah FUD, menurut saya.

Sedangkan analisa merupakan prediksi, dinilai dari beberapa indikator yang diterjemahkan menjadi sebuah prakiraan kemana nantinya pasar ini bergerak. Misalkan, ada yang memperkirakan BTC bisa menembus 10K "kalau" posisi support x jebol. Disini ada syarat yang harus dipenuhi jika akan menembus xupport x tersebut. Namun jika syarat tidak terpenuhi maka artinya prediksi pasar akan berpotensi naik. Ini jelas tidak mengandung unsur FUD. menurut saya

CMIIW.
2140  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: November 21, 2022, 01:47:19 PM
Hari ini saya melihat Hashflow berada pada harga $0,5633 naik 2,51%, melihat harga koin yang pernah tembus Rp40,240.29, anda dapat membuat rencana jangka panjang pada koin ini, sekarang Hashflow sedang menawarkan diskon besar-besaran. Jika dilihat dari backers yang ada di proyek Hashflow dan telah masuk dalam market terbesar, Hashflow masih berpotensi kembali ke harga tertinggi saat bullish datang.

Jangan terpedaya pada angka ATH, karena ini sudah sering terjadi. Pengalaman sejak 2017 ada berapa banyak koin/token yang berhasil menembus ATH namun tidak pernah bisa menyentuh ATH pada bullish kemarin? Sebaliknya, membeli koin/token jika niatnya jangka panjang lebih baik yang sudah memiliki record jatuh bangun namun harganya beriringan dengan bitcoin. Apalagi koin baru juga tidak memiliki jaminan untuk bisa bertahan jangka panjang. Takutnya, yang diharapkan naik, justru makin tenggelam dan hilang dari pasar. Ingat, ATH bukan tolok ukur, tapi usecase akan lebih menjamin kelangsungan suatu proyek yang pada akhirnya juga menentukan harga koin/token nantinya.
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