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2121  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you still win with free spins? on: November 28, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Dear it is free spins. If you think free spins give bigger amount so it is not possible.

In betting you bet your amount than you get the reward. In this if you win than you will get your amount.

But free spins are free and in this case you will never get big amount and not sure that the withdraw will be possible or not.

I don't agree with the word " not possible". to be honest, free spins do not promise 100% winnings, i know that. But for some chances, you can get a lot of money from free spins feature.

I agree with your statement that the reward is can be smaller than the total amount of bets we make when we get free spins, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a lot of money. It all depends on your luck when you get these features.
2122  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 25, 2022, 12:47:02 PM
Here we have to check few things before talking about Allegri and Juventus performance in early rounds of this season they have around 12 injuries which were not allowing them to have their best and things were worst for the team like Juventus which is surely well known by board and all fans but still Allegri done amazing job and keep his teams spirit high and as he has some recovery now they are back in business which is surely masterclass from them with this now they can fight hard for having their best result in this season even they are badly out of the Champions League but hopes high, and they still can do good in this season with their available resources with this all now fans and management is also feeling good.

Yes, we understand the condition of Juventus at that time, but it is sometimes unacceptable for most fans and staff who just want to win every matches. When I read the news about the deadline for Allegri, I thought that Juventus might make another mistake if they really sacked Allegri this season. I remember what AC Milan did, when they were down with Allegri, they sacked him and the downturn was not because Allegri couldn't train well, but Milan hard to buying good players who matched with Allegri strategy. IMO
2123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cloud mining on: November 25, 2022, 12:37:34 PM
How much was your money there? So, there's already that change of terms that they do frequently. That's already a red flag and yet they haven't been taken down too early during that time.


Not much, I invested less than $100. So it's not so painful even if they become a scam. However, as long as I am a member, I have earned around $100 from mining excluding capital. But it is only nominal as there is no way to make withdrawals.

It seems that your wish is the same as mine.  I also have always been looking for eth and btc mining sites that give results quickly.  However, it seems that it is very difficult to find it, especially if the site we are referring to is without making a deposit first

ETH has moved to the stake method, if anyone offers ETH mining, it's 100% a scam. BTC mining, you should buy your own mining hardware, don't use the cloud, because cloud mining will only lead you to become a scam victim too. There are no quick results, every mining service if offering you instant/quick/fast ROI 100% i'm sure its a scam.
2124  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: LegoCoin, Koin Meme Yang Kelihatan Seperti Menjanjikan on: November 25, 2022, 12:21:32 PM
Catatan bantuan : Saya membutuhkan bantuan Anda dan teman-teman semua agar saya dapat menyertakan gambar di setiap utas atau postingan saya, jadi saya sangat membutuhkan dari agan semua. Terima kasih atas perhatian dan bantuannya, dan bantuan dari kalian tidak akan saya lupakan.

Anda bisa melakukannya sendiri dengan menjadi Copper Member dengan mengikuti link ini .

Kemudian, mengenai menjanjikan yang Anda perkirakan, apakah ada penjelasan lebih detail dengan hal tersebut? Karena yang Anda sampaikan pada thread sebatas pengenalan mengenai proyek dan tidak dapat mencerminkan masa depan yang menjanjikan.

Bukan untuk mengirimkan FUD. Tapi sebagai saran, jika Anda memprediksikan token ini menjanjikan, harus bisa lebih rinci penjelasannya mengapa bisa demikian. Jadi, akan mendorong ketertarikan member (mungkin).

Tetapi, menurut saya, token ini sedang dalam kondisi yang memprihatinkan. Pasalnya volume trading sedikit. Hanya $3-4K. Ini sudah berada di ujung tanduk. Holdernya cukup banyak, lebih dari 20K holders, tapi tidak memiliki volume, apakah mereka awalnya mendapatkan token ini dari airdrop atau bagaimana?
2125  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Perkembangan Perdagangan Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency sebagai aset komoditas on: November 25, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
Jadi, meskipun sudah masuk daftar legal Bappebti, tetap mesti pertimbangkan matang-matang sebelum memutuskan memilih investasi/trading pada aset kripto manapun terutama aset kripto yang tergolong baru/secara fundamental belum banyak teruji, termasuk juga dalam menyimpan aset di exchange.
Memang sudah seharusnya tidak selalu menjadikan hal ini sebagai tolok ukur. Seperti yang saya sebutkan pada thread lain Bappebti hanya menjembatani, melakukan riset yang dibutuhkan. Tetapi, setiap kejadian yang akan terjadi pada suatu koin di masa yang akan datang, itu bukan bagian dari riset tersebut. Jadi, koin apa pun yang menjadi pilihan Bappebpti sebagai aset kripto yang boleh diperdagangkan di Indonesia, bukan berarti 100% sehat. Akan tetapi berdasarkan kondisi saat Bappebpti melakukan riset dan mengambil keputusan, koin tersebut saat itu dikategorikan layak untuk diperdagangkan di Indonesia. Tapi, masa depannya, tetap bergantung pada pengembang maupun komunitas (untuk community coin).
2126  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 25, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Manipulasi yang mungkin terjadi mungkin sejenis pool yang tiba-tiba tidak jadi liquid karena likuditas ditarik oleh tim, atau lainnya.

Istilah penarikan ini disebut dengan rugpull, ini memang sering terjadi. Tetapi, ini bukan manipulasi aset pengguna maupun manipulasi harga. Karena memang likuiditas masih dikuasai oleh tim, jadi rug pull ini pun sangat mudah dilakukan. Tapi memang ngeri hal seperti ini, karena exchange yang sejatinya decentralized, memiliki kelemahan seperti ini. Walaupun saat ini ada banyak layanan penguncian aset tim yang dijadikan liquidity, tetepsaja ini juga tidak lepas dari manipulasi jumlah aset yang benar-benar dikunci.

Tapi hal ini bisa diamati dengan mudah lewat tools lain yang udah ada selama usernya mau.

Pengamatan gimana ya mas? apakah maksud mas mengamati liquidity di berbagai exchange atau pergerakan token tersebut pada exchange? Karena setahu saya, kalau sudah terjadi rugpull tidak bisa diamati, karena dalam sepersekian detik liquidity sudah amblas. CMIIW
2127  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 24, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Perlu diingat juga kalau pake AMM dengan smart contract, ketika ada exploit ada juga risiko token agan raib ketika agan lupa revoke permission, jadi jangan lupa buat revoke secara reguler meskipun agan make AMM yang "terpercaya", apalagi di website phishing.
Yup. kelemahan dari AMM adalah masalah exploit melalui smartcontract yang hanya membutuhkan akses permision untuk melakukan transaksi in & out. Sudah banyak korban berkaitan dengan kasus ini.  kondisi terparah adalah rugpull yang terjadi kapan saja. Namun, kalau berbicara soal manipulasi, trading di AMM tidak ada cara untuk memanipulasi nilai aset pada akun, karena terhubung dengan wallet kita sendiri. Tidak seperti pada centralized exchange yang hanya menunjukkan value namun belum tahu diaman sebenarnya uang kita. web pishing bisa terjadi pula pada centralized, jadi ini perlu diwaspadai untuk mengunjungi web apa pun.
2128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cloud mining on: November 24, 2022, 12:22:37 PM

Haha, I remember when I'm using their service and never find a way to makes a withdrawal since they are always change the minimum terms to request a withdrawal. Until i they are turn as a scam i never get my money  Grin


@OP with your current money, you don't need to use cloud mining to get BTC, just trade it, with trading skill you can increase your BTC. if you don't have a skill to trade, just hold it and save your BTC to your own wallet (electrum or Bitcoin wallet). If you wants to buy an altcoin, and wants to increase your holding, try to find altcoin with staking feature. such as Cardano, Uniswap, Pancakeswap. But same as using cloud mining, if you wants higher rewards, you need to invest more.always DYOR and DWYOR before you make a decision.
2129  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you still win with free spins? on: November 24, 2022, 12:09:43 PM
Most of gambling casino is giving a lot of free spins to the player who makes a deposit with a designated amount also have designated spins as rewards but the free spins are just bonuses but it doesn't give the same value as your spins just like cents and those free spins more likely having a range from 20$ winnings I'm not saying they are giving with this amount but a possible average of winning, still ideal you have enough budget to play more spins to get a huge amount of multiplier, don't get rely in free spins only its just bonus deposit.

Free spins for deposit is a kind of bonus by making a deposit, the same promo as a deposit and get a 100% bonus to your account balance. However, if you get free spins from slots, it's really different. It doesn't depend on how much you are making deposit, but are we lucky or not from our spins to get the feature and making a double money from multiplier bonus during spins we get. And about the reward also depend on our luck, nothing else.

correct me if i misunderstanding what you mean here
2130  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Avoiding exchange flat rate withdrawal fee on Bitcoin when sending in Casino on: November 24, 2022, 12:00:47 PM
If you want to hold BTC, then keep it in your own wallet. If you send a doge to a casino to exchange bitcoins, I'm quite confused why you are doing this way? If you really want to hold, can't you just use the Fiat-BTC exchange and send your BTC to your wallet. Are you thinking about fees? Whereas in casinos generally every deposit requires TO before being able to withdraw money. If it is not controlled, of course, before reaching TO, the money may run out.

Well, try to use BK8, there is an options to withdraw BTC without fees, but maybe you will find a different rates from BK8 and exchange price. At least, you can get free trx fees from there. About deposit, only 3 options for crypto so far, with USDT, ETH and BTC. you can request withdrawal after 1x TO from your deposit.
2131  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 24, 2022, 11:48:36 AM

These days the conditions are clearly different and Allegri proved himself that with their players returning it was enough to make all the haters silent with the Juventus game.

Whatever is happening at Juventus at the moment is something to be expected. I don't hate Juventus at all, but seeing juventus performance at the beginning of the season I was a little surprised. I remember when the Juventus board threatened Allegri, this was proof that the Juventus officials were also angry with Juve's performances this season. Sometimes pressure from official and fans are needed when coach failed to give their best.
2132  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: November 23, 2022, 03:22:20 PM
Tiap orang punya opsi mereka masing-masing mau yang beresiko atau tidak. Tapi tentu yang beresiko akan menghasilkan banyak keuntungan jika berhasil.
dan yang paling penting juga adalah bagaimana membangun Portofolio Manajemen yang baik, sehingga asset tidak hanya diam di satu tempat.
Diversifikasi diperlukan untuk membangun portofolio yang sehat.


Yup, berani mengambil risiko memang dapat memperbaiki keadaan, tetapi kita juga harus ingat terlalu sering mengambil risiko juga tidaklah bagus, apalagi jika trading baru sebatas "ikut-ikutan". Kita tahu betul, ketika hype meme koin sudah memakan banyak korban trader pemula karena ambisi keuntungan berlipat. Jangan sampai kondisi seperti ini terulang. Memang, hashflow ini bukanlah token meme, dilihat dari volume 24 jam juga cukup bagus menyentuh USD10juta. Tetapi, apakah ini jaminan akan terus berada di level ini, kan belum tentu juga. Makanya saya sedikit mengingatkan, kalau masih belum siap dengan risiko terburuk, sebaiknya lakukan analisa lebih lanjut.  Wink
2133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 23, 2022, 03:11:02 PM
Napoli don't have to worry much about the world cup and their players because they don't bring many of them compared to other teams and above all they are not players who can influence the championship so Napoli can rest assured

Break the transfer window and also the world cup will still have an effect on the team. Even though they are not part of the national team squad that represents their country for world cup. Example the physical and mental health of the players that will change when the league returns. This is something that the teams who are fighting for the championship need to be wary of. Changes in the formation of opposing players from the transfer window can make the opposing team better. So, Napoli must be careful and maintain the physical and mental players in order to continue to appear consistent after this break.
2134  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: November 23, 2022, 03:00:57 PM
Japan give a surprises for Germany. Germany is a team that is actually become favorite in this match. however they find it difficult to score goals through organized attacks. The goals scored by Germany are due to a penalty. This is a warning for Hansi Flick and team for their next match against Spain will definitely be more difficult for their defense. if they lose the matches vs spain, it seems they can only depend on the result of Japan vs Costa Rica.
2135  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 23, 2022, 11:05:31 AM
I don't think that Ronaldo would like to play for Newcastle united over Chelsea, While there's already a link for him to be signed by Chelsea during the last window transfer, Too Current Chelsea position in the league is another big problem for Ronaldo to move to Chelsea in January, I guess one of his reasons to leave Man United as at that time was due to abscent in the Champions League competition, However the season is not yet over and he can help Chelsea turn things around for them, if he wants to play in Chelsea.

I think if the UCL was the reason for Ronaldo to leave, he has moved since the start of the season 2021-22. However, Ronaldo decided to stay at Manchester United at least till end of season to give a chance for MU and Ten Haag. For now, the main problem experienced by Ronaldo is the disharmony of his relationship with the MU coach. Now he is free to choose which club he will go after MU and him reach mutual agreement. But, I'm sure the ones who can afford it are a team that has good finances. This means rumors if Roma will sign Ronaldo may not come true.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-official-statement-on-cristiano-ronaldo-22-november-2022
2136  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Guide] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Menggunakan Exchange atau Investasi on: November 23, 2022, 10:39:09 AM
karena atas kejadian ftx dimana bosnya ternyata pakai duit user, tapi nilai di exchange tidak berkurang artinya semua bisa di manipulasi, apa lagi kalau crypto di storagenya jarang atau gak pernah diaudit. Sehingga bisa seenaknya pakai dana user di storage buat berinvestasi di tempat lain, jadi ketika terjadi sesuatu dan user mau narik dana, duit di storage gak ada karena terpakai di investasi lain.


Mengingat mengenai manipulasi, artinya memang benar, kita trading hanya melihat nilai saja pada akun yang kita miliki, sedangkan aslinya, uang kita tidak berada di dalam exchange tersebut. perubahan jumlah saat menjual pun hanya mengikuti harga yang tertera pada exchange, namun tetap saja uang ini hanya ilusi. bisa dikatakan uang tersebut uang asli hanya ketika kita sudah berhasil menariknya ke rekening atau ke wallet untuk kripto. Hal ini yang kemudian memudahkan pemilik exchange untuk menggunakan uang pengguna karena kita tidak pernah mengetahui di mana sebenarnya uang kita. Mungkin hal inilah yang membuat bagaimana bos FTX menggunakan uang pengguna.


trading yang paling nyaman memang dengan metode P2P atau AMM seperti yang kita lakukan di Uniswap dan Pancakeswap. Dimana transaksi dari wallet tanpa harus memindahkan ke exchange. tetapi metode perdagangan AMM tidak bisa dilakukan untuk bitcoin. tetapi, bagaimana pun kita juga sadar bahwa exchange centralized juga diperlukan, karena biasanya lebih memudahkan pengguna, tapi risikonya sudah sering dihadapi FTX 2022, Cryptopia 2019 dan exchange lainnya yang tidak dapat menarik uang sepeserpun dengan dalih karena kasus hack.
2137  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: November 22, 2022, 02:19:36 PM
Sebaik-baiknya altcoin adalah ethereum menjadi altcoin pertama yang mampu beriringan dengan bitcoin.
perkembangan juga terus dilakukan dan baik untuk jangka panjang.

Benar ETH adalah altocin yang memiliki pengembangan yang bagus dengan dukungan komunitas yang kuat, ETC dan LTC juga akan menjadi altcoin yang lebih baik untuk dihold jangka panjang daripada token baru. Ini bukan tentang ATH saja, tapi kelayakan untuk jangka panjang yang sepertinya lebih baik.


Meski demikian, saya tidak pernah melarang siapa pun yang ingin membeli koin yang disebutkan oleh OP ini. Jika memang Anda merasa ini baik, silakan saja. Yang penting dan sering saya ingatkan adalah analisa dan riset sendiri sebelum melakukan pembelian akan jauh lebih baik dari apa pun yang ditawarkan maupun dikomentari oleh member-member di sini, termasuk saya. Wink.
2138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Elon Musk says the price of BTC will rise on: November 22, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
He just saying it because he also wanted dogecoin to move. We all knew that once bitcoin started to go up everything will follow thru and those are mid scale projects. Even shitcoin can pump without any reason.

I'm still surprised why so many people still have hope in Elon's tweets. IMO, Elon's tweet is now meaningless after a lot of people have suffered losses when he managed to bring doge to ATH which almost touched $1. However, BTC doesn't need Elon to go up, because in time, without Elon's tweets, BTC will find the way to bullish periode as before, even though we don't know when it will happen.

Just to warn anyone, becareful with any influence tweet to buy any coins, because someday it can be the worst decisions.
2139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: What happens if binance and tether goes down on: November 22, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
This depends on where you store it. If you keep it on an exchange then this will be a big disaster for you. If binance goes bankrupt (for example), what happens to bitcoin maybe just decreasing in trading volume but this could be temporary just remember, the value of bitcoin fell in terms of price not with the bitcoin it self. If no centralized exchange, i believe community will open P2P trading like the first time bitcoin used for pizza.
2140  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 22, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Napoli is playing really well, and it is not a coincidence. Also performing really consistently. And that consistency is needed if they want to win the title.
I am just waiting to see how they will perform after the World Cup because it might be hard for them to continue with the same pace after a big break.


Of course, there's no doubt that they are progressing for the title, but they still need consistency in the mid-season. the world cup and the transfer window are two conditions that can change the rhythm of the game for all clubs, this can makes the club better or vice versa. So, this moment must be maximized by Napoli to maintain their performance. Many doubted Napoli in the mid-season, do you think this can be happens once again?
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