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2121  Other / Meta / Re: Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: January 22, 2019, 02:34:37 AM
Not bad idea but I don't think theymos will do it. There are few post from old DT and some others about guidelines. But it's not officially approved. If any guidelines by theymos means its official guidelines. It would be better for new DT. But problem is peopels even don't bother to follow forum rules so we can't expect that peopels will follow the guidelines. And argument will never end even there is guidelines. People's never bother about DT system before get tag. After getting tag they start war with DT system. If any DT make mistake it should bring front before tag you. If I have made mistake then make sound now but after get tag making sound which is equal to war with DT. I don't think it will never end ....
Why do you think people of this forum will not follow rules & regulations? If we get an exact guideline from of theymos than we may deserve much rules followers here. I think theymos should discuss about this too urgently.

If anyone just investigate the Meta section only he/she will find multiple thread which are nothing but tag related argumental gossip. If this situation continue, i wish in future it will be difficult to find productive posts. Just look at those threads conversations.

I wish very soon our DTs have to take sleep killer Smiley medicine to make tons of reply to those taging related threads whole night. There can be the chances of Insomnia Sad too
2122  Other / Meta / Re: Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: January 21, 2019, 01:31:03 PM
Please tell me clearly who are these respected members you admire so much. Perhaps a newbie like yourself needs to first do some homework. Let me help you.

There needs to be clear criteria so that everyone can be treated fairly and the same.

I think you haven't got my point. Respecting one DT member means respecting every single person who are in the DT list.

When your teacher teach you to show respect to your elder person is that  mean to just show respects to your elder brother only lol. I think in this forum i got no relatives who can have my personal special respect.I respect them
who got the ability to have it. Maybe you can be on my respect list too.
2123  Other / Meta / Re: Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: January 21, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
There is a discussion about guidelines already here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391.msg49306851#msg49306851

There are quite a few situations where the outcome is clear but some of the subjective situations require some discussion.

I think it could work well as a charter - where DTs agree to the values that they believe in.

A bit like with the UN where a country agrees to be a signatory to articles but may not be a signatory to all of them.

I think there are plenty of situations where everyone agrees on the outcome. The subjective situations are also able to be discussed so there is understanding.
Yeah got the point.I already mentioned here on the thread that theymos can discuss with our respectful DT members what can be included or not. I think thats the way how we can pick the best solution. Its really a matter of shame when a newbie user see some post including bad languages which is nothing but to blame on DTs.

As a newbie i also faced same and feel so bad when i respect someone  for his work of excellency. It doesn't matter he is on the DT list or not but it matters when someone use ugly words and blame on someone who achieved a lot of merits and fame not just in one night. Anyone can trace how much time we wasted just for those Tagged argumental issues. Tons of comments to handle those guys thread where most of the thread got nothing but personal emotions.  I think its meaningless.

On the other hand if any DT tag some one without any valid reason that is nothing but a disaster for that convicted person. Every single member of the forum bear same weight and respects.

Just a guideline from theymos can solve it nicely. 
2124  Other / Meta / Re: Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: January 21, 2019, 09:38:04 AM
Not unless you want to centralize the system again. There are a few old guidelines which are mostly sufficient.
Honestly i am not suggesting to make the system centralize again. I have already mention that there could be a possible way to discuss about this with all our DT members and taking suggestion from them. There could be the system where guidelines can be updated in every month if most of the DT hold their opinion.
2125  Other / Meta / Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: January 21, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
Hello Everyone,

Its a matter of concern that recently in bitcointalk we are experiencing a common arguments about Tagging.Its already been a common matter that when someone get tagged by one of our DT members most of the time convicted members are making arguments continuously.

There's been a reason behind those arguments about tagging. I think it will be hard to find anyone who will say that DT tagged me for valid reason. Everytime tagged person put all the blame on our DT members.These guys always want to prove that DT tagged him/her wrongly. I think its not fair to put all blame on DT or tagging a member without valid reason.

In bitcointalk there's been a lot of DT members who got enough experience to handle any kind of situation and take immidiate actions.But its a matter of sorrow that there is no guideline here for DT by forum authority. I think theymos should publish a guideline for DT members.

In recent times many of our experienced members post several thread including advices and guidelines of a DT. Such as when a DT need to Tag someone, where to give someone warning, where its not fair to Tag someone. I think theymos can choose some guidelines from those thread which are really helpful. Maybe Theymos can discuss with our experienced DT members and take their thoughts and advices to develop a complete guideline.

After recent DT selection voting system we are glad to see many new Faces on our DT1 & DT2 list. Its true that new active DT member will put all their effort to keep the forum safe for the whole community but on the other side they are completely new on this service. For the lack of experience they can make mistakes on tagging. On this situation if they get a complete guideline from theymos it will be much easier for them to work fluently.

A complete guideline for DT members will not only solving the issue of rising arguments in tagging but also our newbies can be benifited. From the guidelines they will be able to learn which thing are legal to do and which are not.

I beleive a complete guidelne for DT members will drastically decrease prohibited activities in bitcointalk. We will be able to get salvation from those tagging related arguments.Thanks everyone.

I wish theymos will discuss the matter with our experienced DT members to develop a effective guideline.
2126  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT2 SUCHMOON ABUSE.Who voted him into trust circle ? on: January 21, 2019, 06:04:59 AM
suchmoon: 23
    Trusted by:
        dooglus
        qwk
        Vod
        TMAN
        Lauda
        vizique
        Blazed
        yogg
        hilariousandco
        cryptodevil
        owlcatz
        tmfp
        yahoo62278
        actmyname
        The Pharmacist
        DarkStar_
        marlboroza
        Lafu
        Hhampuz
        xtraelv
        Halab
        iasenko
        asche
        Coolcryptovator
        ICOEthics

Distrusted by:
    OgNasty
    TheFuzzStone

Have fun convincing 25 members.
These 23 votes are only from DT1. There's more DT2 and other members who voted for suchmoon during selection of default trust.

Without proper evidence OP you can't blame on a DT like suchmoon. This forum isn't a place to show your emotions. As a active DT member suchmoon is one who works every single hour to make bitcointalk safer for newbies.

Nowdays a common things happening too much that when a DT taging someone with valid reason from that moment number of combined gang members starts to blame on DT. I think its not fair. Its making the situation much complicated.These guys are opening spam thread for every single taging. If this happens continiously on forum i think newbies of bitcointalk will be hesitated to works here.

In my opinion we should stop replying on this kind of meaningless thread. Basically its kinda tough not to give reply because instantly i am replying here on this thread to let everyone know about this. Ignore is best button for us Cheesy
2127  Other / Meta / Re: Advantage & disadvantage of new default trust (DT) selection system on: January 20, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
Theymos isn't handling the forum from a "high table" and this decision on DT is further proof of that
Yeah in the new DT selection system theymos already given the responsibility to forum members to select their favourite one. Its a great step to make forum control related works much inclusive.

Its already been  proven that if anyone wants to make a place on the DT list it doesn't matters how much older or experienced you are, but it matters how many forum members know your activities & put their trust on you.

I think by this new default trust selection process theymos opened a competition among forum members to be much active and serve the forum. 
2128  Other / Meta / Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. on: January 20, 2019, 08:34:53 AM
 I do not want to exclude and alienate the whole Russian forum population, I just want this forum to be safe - Alex would you be willing to be the spokesman of the Russian section to get this resolved?

Thanks OP for letting russian forum members know that you are here to save them from any kind of scam activities. i know you don't care about what anyone post or think about you regarding taking steps to stop any kind of scam or abuses. You just care that forum members should be safe from those Evils. Welcome Alex to be a spokesman of Russian section Smiley
2129  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: January 20, 2019, 07:53:04 AM
Its really an issue of concern that on other language section of bitcointalk some guys are abusing massively. Basically its not so easy to detect so fast but need instant solution too.

Maybe many of us have got the knowledge of understanding multiple languages but its not an easy task to learn most of the languages. Some guys are taking this gap as a opportunity to spread their illegal activities. Basically when we want to investigate one topic from italian section at that we need to translate it to our native language first.  After then we are capable of understanding whats going on there.

we have to keep in mind that everyday the community of bitcointalk increasing rapidly. Its going much difficult for our DT members to controling the forum day by day. I think we need to find a productive way to stop this kind of massive abuses on other language section.  
2130  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 20, 2019, 05:46:05 AM
Because I don’t want newbies and uneducated people losing funds. It’s idiotic what these guys are doing, if they want to trade the local section then let them, we cannot let it impact the main forum. Bounty hunters are everywhere, account farms as well - scammers are rife, I mean check the lending section and see that DT is needed
Yeah always i got the similar thinking for newbies where they joined the forum to have some benefits but in vain these scamers rob their fund. Without having DT members activity it was quite difficult to chase those fraud and scamers. Bitcointalk forum has a large value in the whole crypto world. We can't let those scamers to destroy the fame of this forum. Thats the reason from the beginning i tried my best to catch those heartless scamers. I hope if we can work together its definitely   possible to make a scam free atmosphere in bitcointalk.But we can see where a DT member tag someone for fraudulent or abusive activities there these guys start to blame on DT by rising many false issues. Its really been a concern for them who works to present a inclusive forum. 
2131  Other / Meta / Re: Advantage & disadvantage of new default trust (DT) selection system on: January 20, 2019, 05:17:24 AM
You said it all the new DT system has so many advantages which one among them is the decentralized form of selection of the DT member now the total freedom is in the hands of the ordinary community members, in fact this new development will bring order and sanity to the entire forum.
Obviously this new DT selection system will bring complete freedom to bitcointalk community. Coz its the way how we can share our own opinion easily. Where in the previous policy it was totally handled by Theymos.   
2132  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 19, 2019, 07:51:17 PM
I think OP you are doing nothing but a waste of time. You should learn the lesson earlier from the voting result. Lol still no vote submitted on your vote machine Cheesy Everyime people don't use words to support anything,sometime we should learn from the activities. Your only  intention is to exclude TMAN from the DT list but already you understand that how much popularity TMAN got as a DT.
2133  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cryptocredit foundation - SCAM - FAKE TEAM - ALL are deceased persons on: January 19, 2019, 07:29:27 PM
Maybe they should open an Exchange website with deceased members as well - for all the dead coins that exist out there.
I think these guys forgot this idea Cheesy to open dead coin exchange. We can't say surely, maybe in future we can catch this kinda scam case together.
2134  Other / Meta / Re: Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT on: January 19, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
All these tag related information are so much productive that it will be easier for forum new DT members to tag someone with valid reason Thanks OP for sharing the clear direction of tag someone. Its simple that if any member of this forum make scam or fraudulent activities should be immediately tag by our respectful DT members.But need enough reason to tag someone.Thats why from this topic newbies can learn which things are prohibited in bitcointalk and which are not. Bad guys always should be punished but not a single good guy.
2135  Other / Meta / Re: Should trust be moderated? (Poll) on: January 19, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
We know how important is trust in this forum. A red tag could make us look as bad guys. And the problem is jerks like this one:
Absolutely these red tag make us look as bad guys. When a newbie member visit our trust area it makes him/her scared. When anyone of us reveal any scam project or fraudlent activities of a member as a result those guys put red tag easily on us where its completely false. In my opinion this option should be used with exact reason.
2136  Other / Meta / Re: Advantage & disadvantage of new default trust (DT) selection system on: January 19, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
It's 250, I think it's a typo.
Thanks dude, its just a slip of pen. Solved already
2137  Other / Meta / Advantage & disadvantage of new default trust (DT) selection system on: January 19, 2019, 03:30:28 PM
Bitcointalk default trust (DT) selection system has been updated by Theymos recently. This new DT selection process opens a great chance for bitcointalk community members to choose their trusted person as a DT. I think this selection is unique but Still there is some advantage & disadvantage of this new DT selection process.



Advantage of new DT selection system

1. Previous DT selection system was centralized. It means Theymos was the only one in this forum who got the power of selecting DT members.After than who were added on DT1 custom trusted list got the DT2 position.  But now this system has been decentralized by hand over the DT selection power to bitcointalk community members. This new voting process giving us complete freedom to share our own thoughts and ideas.

2. Theymos new algorithm is completely unique. Which will show us instant update of Default trust selection policy.

3. If somehow by manipulating this system anyone being DT member still then others DT can exclusion him/her and its instantly possible in new DT policy.

Disadvantage of new DT selection system

1. In the new DT selection system you need 10 vote  from (10 earn merit holder) and 2 vote from ( 250 earn merit holder) to be elgible as a DT. I think its possible to manipulate this in many ways by using social media and direcetly asking vote by sending texts to other forum members.

Although I beleive bitcointalk new DT selection system advantage is much stronger than disadvantages.
2138  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cryptocredit foundation - SCAM - FAKE TEAM - ALL are deceased persons on: January 18, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
Great job dude, Cheesy What a tremendous idea they got to build their team. Using dead people on their team is a sign that their projects going to dead soon.lol
2139  Other / Meta / Re: cryptohunters war against the forum on: January 18, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
On ignore now.. how long can I keep the mouse off the un-ignore?
Why you need to ignore. I beleive if all the people of the world stand on your opposite site and claiming for something which you haven't done, It has no value. Because you know that you are strong enough to do your duty.
2140  Other / Meta / Re: Suggestion for new DT member by old DT members (collected quote) on: January 18, 2019, 10:47:34 AM
Basically these guidelines will help new DT members to take proper decisions. Just giving Tag to someone is not the only responsibility of a DT. Strong activity of our forum DT members is the key to prevent forum scam and fraudulent activities. I wish our new DT members will perfectly do their job to keep our forum clean. 
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