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2121  Economy / Speculation / Re: POLL : ETF approval or disapproval on: March 05, 2017, 07:34:16 AM
How about the option that is gets approved and the approval causes a selloff due to the well known Wall Street adage, "buy the rumor, sell the news."

+1

I think this will happen.

and how this si making any sense? they are currently buying because of the approval of the EFT, selling when this will happen is as stupid as fuck, and doesn't collide with what the buyers are doing now

besides all those that think that without EFT the value will tank, again, they are also wrong, this price climbing is not only about that, like it was not about grexit, not about chinese etc...

can't bitcoin simply grow because of better adoption? it look stupid to me that bitcoin need a good news to being able to grow decently each time...
2122  Economy / Economics / Re: A little perspective: $198 to $1139 then and $198 to $1139 now on: March 05, 2017, 07:30:48 AM
well not really hard to draw what is coming, in 2013 for example the increase was very high and fast, in two week the value went to 12x, this is nothing like that, therefore no comparable make sense

thi is a steady increase, very solid, yes there are always price corrections, don't expected the value to rise without a little dump here and there, but don't expect either that there will be a dump to $700 again...
2123  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: hardware that is good for mining? on: March 05, 2017, 07:28:26 AM
for mining directly bitccoin, the best one is the s9 currently, not sure if there are plan to have the s10 or s11, because the s9 is quite old already, it's better to wait for the moment

or you can use another kinda of miner to mine scrypt or x11 and convert in bitcoin, while this isn't exactly bitcoin mining, it's more effective and has a better roi, especially x11 asic

all this must be done only with proper electricity, which you need to tell first, so we can suggest better
2124  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we know that the CIA didn't get to Satoshi? on: March 05, 2017, 07:24:01 AM
because unless you are able to prove what you claim it only remain a conjecture, the same way when we think that maybe he is dead, no onw know all speculation

for all we know satoshi may be very well among the dev core, sirius was the only guy working with him i remember, on the launch of this forum, maybe we should ask him
2125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PASL]-[PASCAL Lite]-[MANDATORY UPGRADE REQUIRED - MARCH 3 2017] on: March 05, 2017, 06:48:03 AM
Interested in getting some pasl. Offering pay $50 per 10000 pasc. Any reputed escrow

PM me about pasl and pasl accounts.

Interested too. There might be someone selling. Pm me also.

288 blocks a day @50 coins = 14400
$50 for 10000 means $72 for 14.4K.

72/1250(btc current price) = 0.0576 day for all mined coins in a day. not so hard to subsidize for a period.

Hmmm..

shitty value, this isn't worth less than 1000 satoshi, you can't base the value on other dying coin or on those that mined early
2126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 05, 2017, 06:43:17 AM
it doesn't crash for me it run stable at 9500KH 2000-2100 core, but consumption is too high, i prefer 9MH at 18xx core(already few days running at this rate, perfectly stable), the onyl thing is the stupid noise...

I've got 9 types of gtx 1070's.. This is the basis of my statements in matter. You can't generalize with a single tipology of vga. I've got too your g1 model, but the others are very different. It's also worth to be considered that the real efficiency of gtx 1070 derives from the wingle 8 pin PCIE versions, because ot the capped TDP amount.

An sjs or amp extreme can lift higher than 1800/1850 MHz on average (from 8.4 to 8.7MH/s eventually) but with very bad efficiency (up to 220W in certain scenarios, opposed to 155W of a single 8 pin one).

These are the reasons why I am not interested in models that have got 2 power connectors.

From 8.4 to 9.4 we've got a theroretical performance increase of 11% on spr, with a giant loss in efficiency. The same happens with lbry, where it's even worst (less % gain in performance, similar efficiency loss)

it's not a g1 gaming, but a palit
2127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 04, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
it doesn't crash for me it run stable at 9500KH 2000-2100 core, but consumption is too high, i prefer 9MH at 18xx core(already few days running at this rate, perfectly stable), the onyl thing is the stupid noise...
2128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Anyone want to do a Baikal Groupbuy? on: March 04, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
They won't sell very many...unless the price jumps and people want to get equipment...they'll purchase from the lowest offer on up.

Supply vs Demand.

aren't they producing them, i'm wondering how much they can produce per month? this data can help us about ROI time
2129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 04, 2017, 04:23:54 PM
well it can support my hashrate, since i don't have a huge farm, i'm happy with it

and yes if dual mining with pascal was possible for nvidia it would have delivered a better profit for a 1060 for example, so yes it hash everything to do with it

maybe you forgot that we were talking about nvidia vs amd profitability, and that amd is only better because of dual eth+pasc...

You can't just copy what someone says and decide that it's also applicable against them. You were arguing that Nvidia was still very much relevant as far as hashrate goes... That's not true. Even if we had a Pasc+Eth miner (which we don't and also should be factored in that Claymore supports AMD first and foremost), the cards would still be 2x as expensive for not even close to double hashrate.

do it with a 1060, with dual mining eth+pascal, the earning would be the same as one 480 and they cost the same

i don't care about how much they cost in other country, here they cost the same around 200 euro

we all know that a 1070 is better because of density you need to pay for this bonus...in fact the 1060 already is better in roi than a 1070, you don't even need to look at amd to beat the 1070
2130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 04, 2017, 11:43:57 AM
well of course the diff raised yesterday, if you mined 3 weeks ago when it was much lower, and with today price you would end up with a higher return, but this is called luck...
2131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price climbing fast again on: March 04, 2017, 07:24:57 AM
The ETF could still bring Bitcoin down a lot though.  IMO people will expect it to be approved which will cause more of a big pump and loads of people buying Bitcoin, but if it's declined it could cause way less confidence in Bitcoin's future and that could totally mess up this surge of users recently.

i don't think so, by how fast the climb was when we reached the last bottom of $700 due to panic dumping caused from chinese, i can confidently sayign that $1000 is the new bottom

at worst you are loooking at $300 dump or less, it will recover as a fast after the EFT thing, and btw this increase is not all about EFT

you think that japan really care about EFT when they are building their own exchange there? and japan is holding the highest volume now in bitcoin market...
2132  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you consider sending bitcoin transaction miner fee a "Fee"? on: March 04, 2017, 06:59:21 AM
whoever said "transactions has no fee" did not know how bitcoin works.
and yes i consider sending miners the fee as a fee but a small amount of it not the current amount of fee.
i consider this extorsion.

well it was possible in the past to send transaction without any fee and get it confirmed relatively fast not like today

Transaction fee is security feature of Bitcoin. Do you expect that peerless and decentralized ledger would be completely free to use?
You are paying to be able to use this system where there is no 3rd party, no middlemen and other forms of control.
This system is currently broken though, we are terrorized by miners to pay way to much.

transaction fee make sense only because the reward can not be unlimited(if you want a deflationary system) and will eventually reach a so low amount that can't sustain anymore the network for miners

this is the only reason for the fee, because for now miners don't need fee they have their reward
2133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ok, effected by block size for first time, time to fix on: March 04, 2017, 06:56:28 AM
Segwit & LN are a Scam by BTC Core to move all of the transactions OFFCHAIN, where they can dominate the fee system.

Offchain has never been proven secure as their are many techniques that can outwait their so called time locks and allow BTC to be stolen from the actual onchain system.
Plus 51% of the Miners could easily rewrite 1 transaction in a block and counterfeit all of the LN funds they wished. 

A Hard fork to BTC Unlimited would fix the problem for good as soon as it was implemented.
Core knows this and that is why they do nothing , hoping they can force/trick the community in segwit activation.

Straight up Power Grap by BTC Core, cause they think the community is dumb enough to fall for their lies.

BTC core should be replaced with a group of Devs that actually want BTC to succeed more than their 3rd Party Offchain Banking System know as LN.  Tongue


 Cool



it's wrong to think that core have any influence here, the miners decide in the end and the miner don't want unlimited for various reaosn

with unlimited the block reward would be so high that you can fill it with more spam than today, that is already a problem, for me the only solution is a dynamic block that actually work and adjust the size based on the demand on the TX per second
2134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Serious Question About Unconfirmed Transaction and domino effect on: March 04, 2017, 06:53:19 AM
Hello everyone,

Im in a bit of a dilema here.  Let me jump right in.
Here is my problem.

Lets say, I received 3 payments from 3 different people. (lets call them A, B, C)

Mr A paid me 0.5 BTC (unconfirmed)
Mr B paid  me 1 BTC  (2 confirmations)
Mr c paid me 1.5 BTC (5 confirmations)

And so, in total i had 3 BTC on my blockchain.info wallet.
I then sent 3BTC to shapeshift to convert to a Alt Coin (i wont say which lol).

Now this is where the problem starts...

The 3BTC payment is forever pending on shapeshift's address because of the unconfirmed 0.5btc sent from Mr A (because Mr A sent the 0.5 BTC to me with a miners fee of 0.0002 BTC).

Lets say this 0.5BTC is not confirmed in x amount of time. Im assuming, the 0.5BTC payment goes back to Mr A. What happens to the remaining 2.5 BTC ?

Does it

- Go on forward and get confirmed on shapeshifts address (destination) ?
or
- Come back on my blockchain.info address (origin) ?

Can someone please clear this up.

I personally blame blockchain.info for allowing unconfirmed transactions to be included in available balances and then allowing users to send out balances that contain unconfirmed transactions within it. This causes payments to be choked further along the line.  

PS. Whats even more wierd is this transaction ONLY shows on blockchain.info's blockchain explorer. On the other blockchain explorers, it doesnt even show.

Unconfirmed transactions stay in the mempool for 72 hours.
After 72 hours if they have ZERO confirmations, control of those BTC revert back to the original sender.
Which if they are honest , they will resend the BTC to you again at a higher fee.
If they are not honest and received a product or service, then they just stole your product or service.  Tongue

Moral of the Story , Until you receive the recommended # of confirmations, there is no guarantee you own those BTC and ownership will not revert back to the sender.
BTC wait 3 confirmations to be safe. (Why 3 , because BTC has on average 3 orphans per day, 2 of those blocks may be orphaned, so wait 3 to be safe.)

 Cool

who decided about the 72 hours, there is a reason behind it? if not would have been better if it was 24 hour, thus i don't have to wait so long in case of an unconfrimed TX

i remember when they said that the reaosn for waiting at least one confirm was for a certain type of attack(ie like finney and other...) but the real reason is this uncofirmed thing for 3 days...
2135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 04, 2017, 06:24:18 AM
well it can support my hashrate, since i don't have a huge farm, i'm happy with it

and yes if dual mining with pascal was possible for nvidia it would have delivered a better profit for a 1060 for example, so yes it hash everything to do with it

maybe you forgot that we were talking about nvidia vs amd profitability, and that amd is only better because of dual eth+pasc...
2136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 03, 2017, 09:42:27 PM
yeah but you need serious hash now to find decent amount of block...

i was making 1k coins a day before, they ruined my party...
2137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][OC] ONECOIN | NO PREMINE | FAIR LAUNCH - March 1st 2017 | SHA256 TRIPPLE on: March 03, 2017, 08:24:17 PM
cpuminer-opt v 3.5.12 is released with support for sha256t, 29% faster than ocminer version.
Source code and Windows binaries available, link below.

this release can mine zero?

?

the zcoin variant with harder parameters

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1796036.280
2138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][OC] ONECOIN | NO PREMINE | FAIR LAUNCH - March 1st 2017 | SHA256 TRIPPLE on: March 03, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
cpuminer-opt v 3.5.12 is released with support for sha256t, 29% faster than ocminer version.
Source code and Windows binaries available, link below.

this release can mine zero?
2139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: which gtx 1070? is evga FTW better? on: March 03, 2017, 05:14:30 PM
palit superjetstream is the best, run on average higher while maintaining he same consumption

the cooler and the noise is also great
2140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: March 03, 2017, 05:11:10 PM
crypto is up and down, now it's amd again, this is not a valid reason for me to choose amd, they have only etheruem now, which is again luck that its value increased randomly...

next time will be lbry or spreadcoin or zcash(amd is not that great here or at best the same cost per watt...), and will be talking about nvidia is better again...no point in these argument

also it's only because clymore didn't release the dual mining pascal for nvidia...

Have you heard of the Claymore Equihash miner? Do you know the whole reason Equihash is more profitable right now is because AMD miners left Equihash for Eth+Pasc. It was more profitable before.

This isn't a seesaw. The Nvidia hashrate isn't going to magically disappear. People aren't going to sell off their hardware, so it wont become magically more profitable for Nvidia, unless either AMD hashrate hops off, there is some sort of new highly profitable coin for Nvidia, or a new miner comes out. Those are the only ways.

All three of those things are very hard to come by and the only reason AMD hashrate hoped off was because of the new miner Claymore released with Eth+Pasc.

Claymore didn't release dual mining for Pascal? I don't get what you mean by that. It's probably quite profitable, I pointed that out already, but once again it's not two times more profitable or anywhere close.

well look i was right it's spreadcoin time as i said...

yes the dual mining from clymore is not working for nvidia but only on amd, i tried to dual mine and all i get is zero hash on pascal and only ethereum working right

He's probably referring to something like coil whine and it happens to be that the GPU is using just enough power where it becomes audible and resonates. Nothing really to do with the miner.

nope, with spreadminer sp 9 there is not such problem, no noise at all, and it doesn't matter what power limit i set, with this version instead there is even with 60 PL, but i'm sure it will go away

it's because the card is new as bathrobehero said
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