AMC is second worst stock on BTCT, by score. Well deserved!  And the operator of Cognitive (Garr225) has been found to shill his own auctions by using sock puppets, and he has a score of 7. This place is a farce, and wonder why people 'participate' more and more. Bitcointalk is the centre of all things Bitcoin is it? |
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The question should be, who is paying for the coordinated negative postings? I vote to easily investigate multiple accounts, and the buying/selling of accounts, which of course wont happen.
Ken. Someone influential voted you enemy of the week, me thinks.
People who actually know how to invest, simple. How to invest = Attack the enemy. Really TF? |
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The question should be, who is paying for the coordinated negative postings? I vote to easily investigate multiple accounts, and the buying/selling of accounts, which of course wont happen.
Ken. Someone influential voted you enemy of the week, me thinks.
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DONT REPLY
EDIT: The toy was not chosen, and the education will have to wait another day, it appears. I tried.
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Scooped more up at .00082 yesterday. I am very patient.
Anyone who was able to buy @ ~.0008, but didn't, needs a lesson in Risk/Reward calculations. Interesting statement. Care to elaborate? Sure. Entering any trade is essentially an individuals judgement of the value of what he/she has just bought, together with what the perceived value it should be, according to that individual. How does anyone perceive what 'value' is at a given time? Thats a subjective question with many results, which is good, or we would have a very flat and boring market, with no opportunities. Whatever strategies or techniques you employ, it cannot be based on emotion. Anybody who has had the briefest experience of established market trading, will know that emotion destroys all the think processes you need to judge a given share/future/option etc. And thats my point. The adolescents here either need to either log off and choose their favorite toy to play with, on this fine Saturday (here anyway), OR realize they may not know anywhere near enough to 'survive' these kind of markets, and get a fucking education, or i WILL take your BTC, and you WILL buy mine, and you WILL lose. Sorry, that's what i see, because that's what happened. So i repeat my previous post, as something to consider. Sentiment @ ~.0008 was nicely positive. It was an accepted level of value at that time, without knowing any details of the NDA, and knowing we had the Avalon/s and chips coming. There were some people who it seemed could not put together what AMC was trying to achieve, and i would accept that as understandable to some extent, but this recent news sets out a reasonably detailed plan, that should provide some kind of vision to price against. Whats the value today? You decide, but make sure you have arrived at a figure that is based on reasoned thinking, and not correlated to the amount of adrenalin rushing through your ignorant veins. Whatever the value is, its definitely more than .0008 of anyone's money (currently ~.00130). Disclaimer: I DO NOT offer advice, only considerations. Emotion destroys the think processes that you need to judge a given share/future/option. I agree wholeheartedly. That is, IF you have these think processes in the first place. The majority of the people here are not investors in the real world and do not have an investor mindset. Which means, they are highly affected by emotions, group dynamics etc. The effect of those people basically buying any security that comes onto the virtual currency "market" is amplified by the fact that many of them bought BTC when prices were higher and now feel an urge to invest and "get back their losses" asap through dividends etc. But that has not much to do with the valuation of a security, i.e. it being "cheap" at .0008. My point being, most of the people do not care about valuation because they don't evaluate the security to begin with. Yep agreed. And its the oddest mix of participants ive ever experienced. Its great for volume and the opportunities it brings to the table, but ive visions of parents noticing a mood change in their children's behavior, and then finding out little Johnny has lost all his pocket money savings..... and his friends, on some highly risky and unregulated trading site. Dont look good does it. |
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Scooped more up at .00082 yesterday. I am very patient.
Anyone who was able to buy @ ~.0008, but didn't, needs a lesson in Risk/Reward calculations. Interesting statement. Care to elaborate? Sure. Entering any trade is essentially an individuals judgement of the value of what he/she has just bought, together with what the perceived value it should be, according to that individual. How does anyone perceive what 'value' is at a given time? Thats a subjective question with many results, which is good, or we would have a very flat and boring market, with no opportunities. Whatever strategies or techniques you employ, it cannot be based on emotion. Anybody who has had the briefest experience of established market trading, will know that emotion destroys all the think processes you need to judge a given share/future/option etc. And thats my point. The adolescents here either need to either log off and choose their favorite toy to play with, on this fine Saturday (here anyway), OR realize they may not know anywhere near enough to 'survive' these kind of markets, and get a fucking education, or i WILL take your BTC, and you WILL buy mine, and you WILL lose. Sorry, that's what i see, because that's what happened. So i repeat my previous post, as something to consider. Sentiment @ ~.0008 was nicely positive. It was an accepted level of value at that time, without knowing any details of the NDA, and knowing we had the Avalon/s and chips coming. There were some people who it seemed could not put together what AMC was trying to achieve, and i would accept that as understandable to some extent, but this recent news sets out a reasonably detailed plan, that should provide some kind of vision to price against. Whats the value today? You decide, but make sure you have arrived at a figure that is based on reasoned thinking, and not correlated to the amount of adrenalin rushing through your ignorant veins. Whatever the value is, its definitely more than .0008 of anyone's money (currently ~.00130). Disclaimer: I DO NOT offer advice, only considerations. Admittedly, I also bought some of the newly released shares at .0025, which I regret now, but suspect I won't regret at this time next year. BINGO. Perfect trading reasoning. +1 |
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Scooped more up at .00082 yesterday. I am very patient.
Anyone who was able to buy @ ~.0008, but didn't, needs a lesson in Risk/Reward calculations. Interesting statement. Care to elaborate? Sure. Entering any trade is essentially an individuals judgement of the value of what he/she has just bought, together with what the perceived value it should be, according to that individual. How does anyone perceive what 'value' is at a given time? Thats a subjective question with many results, which is good, or we would have a very flat and boring market, with no opportunities. Whatever strategies or techniques you employ, it cannot be based on emotion. Anybody who has had the briefest experience of established market trading, will know that emotion destroys all the think processes you need to judge a given share/future/option etc. And thats my point. The adolescents here either need to either log off and choose their favorite toy to play with, on this fine Saturday (here anyway), OR realize they may not know anywhere near enough to 'survive' these kind of markets, and get a fucking education, or i WILL take your BTC, and you WILL buy mine, and you WILL lose. Sorry, that's what i see, because that's what happened. So i repeat my previous post, as something to consider. Sentiment @ ~.0008 was nicely positive. It was an accepted level of value at that time, without knowing any details of the NDA, and knowing we had the Avalon/s and chips coming. There were some people who it seemed could not put together what AMC was trying to achieve, and i would accept that as understandable to some extent, but this recent news sets out a reasonably detailed plan, that should provide some kind of vision to price against. Whats the value today? You decide, but make sure you have arrived at a figure that is based on reasoned thinking, and not correlated to the amount of adrenalin rushing through your ignorant veins. Whatever the value is, its definitely more than .0008 of anyone's money (currently ~.00130). Disclaimer: I DO NOT offer advice, only considerations. |
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The fact the thread has been filled with so much FUD for the last 24h makes me believe there's been a huge effort to take the price down, making unexperienced investors sell their shares as cheaply as possible. This is a great deal for manipulators, as the can buy into AMC at a low price,
If that's the case why is no-one buying at 0.001? It's almost pre-news bargain price. I think no conspiracy just lack of confidence. I'm sure the FUD on this thread being 99% speculation and 1% only for discussing the actual news and projections for AMC has a huge part in that. People are scared. It will pass. I can only assume that you will be investing heavily in the December batch of the Avalon clones at $6k a pop. By the way, if you want some for the "Bargain price" of $5.500 I will sell you as many as you want. Absolutely no limit. PM me for any quantity! Will you stop with the FUD already? The price you quote for the machines to be delivered from VMC to AMC is a red herring. The machines will be delivered to AMC at cost price minus 10%. The current retail price has nothing to do with it. What *will* be delivered is the hashing power stated by Ken in the original prospectus at cost price minus 10% when manufacture/delivery is made. Buying more shares now. Anyone care to join me?  Scooped more up at .00082 yesterday. I am very patient. Anyone who was able to buy @ ~.0008, but didn't, needs a lesson in Risk/Reward calculations. |
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TheSwede75 has been pushing the hate train with all his might. I really wonder what his ulterior motive is...
THEIR motive, more like. Some of the comments coming from senior members, operators, and issuers, have a coordinated feel to them, from where im sitting. |
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For the ones who cant assimilate what AMC is about and what its aims are, and the ones who don't feel they are getting the right/enough information. AND the new participants who havnt been following the AMC story from the start, maybe the chart could tell you something. Because .0008 was a stable price where sentiment was without any of this news known by the then holders. Selling below this, WITHOUT bad news, is illogical for people who want to make money, and investors alike. Yes i bought.
That's not quite right because if I'm not wrong the news release has itself come under some scrutiny as to the realistic or not pricing of future machines - that's certainly been discussed today. Also there is still a NDA in place which seems odd as the relationship has now been revealed by AMC. What is the problem with eASIC giving us some numbers? On top of that there has been some amateurish moves by AMC on the trading floor today so some people may find a bit of concern in that and price accordingly. You're very entertaining steveioio, but im thinking you need to ease off the go-fast stuff abit maybe.  |
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For the ones who cant assimilate what AMC is about and what its aims are, and the ones who don't feel they are getting the right/enough information. AND the new participants who havnt been following the AMC story from the start, maybe the chart could tell you something. Because .0008 was a stable price where sentiment was without any of this news known by the then holders. Selling below this, WITHOUT bad news, is illogical for people who want to make money, and investors alike. Yes i bought.
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What are you talking about? 'Weak hand' is a metaphor, not a literal description.
Are you insane? The OP is referring to weakness of character. He is not referring to a position of weakness as one would have for example with a weak hand in a card game. Please keep up. What are you talking about? I am the OP. 'Weak hand' is a metaphor. A demonstration why a barrier of entry may be necessary at some time in the future with these markets. Some of the stuff written here is by petulant children, who need an education. Take note Burnside, et al. |
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At last. Funds visible. Ive sent BB the TXID. Hopefully he can update here. |
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Pretty simple, he's most likely buying up cheaper ones using your money, to try and elevate the price to 25 so he can get back to "business".
TAT, your FUD isn't welcome here. If you had constructive input, I'd be all ears, but you have shown yourself to be a let's-smear-Ken actor several times that I can recall  . Also, you should be standing above the fray since you have a financial interest in promoting other, rival assets  . Show some integrity, won't you? You might earn others' respect then. It is too late for me, I won't be buying any of your offerings again, that is a promise. Let's meet back here in 3 months and compare AMC/AM share price. I doubt you'll have the guts to turn up  You are calling FUD on what Ken pretty much admitted to doing only a few posts after mine. My prior criticisms of Ken's actions are not unique either, most sensible people agree that he manipulated the price more than once, and that he issued misleading press releases. Something is not FUD just because it is a reality that you wish was false. I do not consider AMC a competitor, nor do i delude myself that the mining space isn't rife with competition that grows daily. I'm actually happy that some coin has been diverted from other assets to this one. I have more incentive to pump this stock than hurt it, but that's not how I roll. I'll be here in 3 months, stronger than ever. Hit me up and we'll compare notes. See, TAT, when you stop with with the flippant comments, you can actually add some value to this thread. I stand by what I said, that you were promoting FUD. It wasn't the first example, I hope it was the last. See you back here at the end of September  . You go lolstate  You dont look like you need the support, but looking back at my posts will show you are not alone |
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BB. I just checked while another payment came in, and its still not visible, im afraid. Will keep you updated.
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Ok. Had to phone my bank for a third time. re: the other sender (not you BB). Turns out a wrong digit was initially given. After a re-send, it showed in my account but had no banking reference and it wasn't available to access/spend, which is why i rung them back. They eventually confirmed that they have noticed a spike in online use currently (i didn't believe her). She also told me that i need to log out, and in again to update the new payment, which i told her i had never had to do before. It worked.
BB. It appears my account is working but there are delays/issues with certain banking networks at the mo, so sit tight, and i will keep checking. Your coins and/or money are safe.
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I'm curious, when do people think the undercutting will stop and more importantly why?
Still, the good news to take is that a sizable portion of the released 2 million have been eaten into and its only been a couple of days. Lets just hope the momentum can continue...
It will end when every smart investor has sold the shares purchased for < 25. Whatever the new price consolidates at after that, will be the price Ken lowers his shares on offer to. Seems to be .0022/23 currently. If you're right, im thinking .0018 or/and then, .0014 |
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I got someone to send a test payment to my account, to try and see where the problem was. I didnt receive the payment. So that would be a problem with my account, right?
I rung my bank again, and insisted the guy speak to his supervisor/manager.
The bank say there is categorically no reason why i should not be receiving payments. I told them 2 different people have sent payments and its not showing. They say their banks MUST be withholding for whatever reason/s, and that they (my bank) are not able to trace payments received anyway, only payments sent, can be traced i.e. the sender has to initiate the trace.
BB, you indicated that your bank said funds WILL eventually be released. Looks like we will have to hang on to that for now.
Will keep checking today, but you may have to insist an escalation of this issue with your bank at some point.
You have my number if you want to call.
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Why then sell more shares if that's not necessary? Or why not sell the same amount of shares but at a lower price?
It's a honest question.
I think it's a good thing that Ken decided to basically put a stop to this rise before it's got to crazy. Imagine the outrage if he had decided to let the price grow to 0.004 for example, only to drop shares at 0.0008 later when the company needs funds again. I hope you are not serious. Market manipulation like that is pretty much illegal in.. every part of the world? I genuinely have a problem understanding the difference between that, and you doing it on BTINVEST. People were buying 0.279's before you forced it down to where your placed issues are now. TF, im not saying you are wrong, i genuinely need to know the difference here. Thanks |
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Why then sell more shares if that's not necessary? Or why not sell the same amount of shares but at a lower price?
It's a honest question.
I think it's a good thing that Ken decided to basically put a stop to this rise before it's got to crazy. Imagine the outrage if he had decided to let the price grow to 0.004 for example, only to drop shares at 0.0008 later when the company needs funds again. +1 |
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