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2181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Kracken! on: January 04, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
I don't see why Trump is trying to get the election results overturned via Congress.
Him only caring about himself makes sense.  Not much else does.

The difference is that Trump is fighting hard. Hillary didn't put much of a fight.

Just imagine your reaction to a recording dropped of Hillary (or Obama) having a similar conversation with a Gov/SOS after the 2016 election but before Hillary conceded.

Really ... close your eyes and imagine what you would've thought or said if that would have happened. (this would be a good line to focus on to try and change the topic into 'why did TS tell me to close my eyes')

See how different it would be?  Your head would explode.

If you were arguing in good faith, you'd have a similar response regardless of the political views of the person in question.  But you aren't.

2182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Kracken! on: January 04, 2021, 04:30:20 AM


At least the Democrats and Republicans are finally on the same page about somethin (ted cruz & co. loletter...I know)
2183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Canadians to be vaccined. Trudeau orders 40 million vaccines for 38 million on: January 03, 2021, 06:03:57 PM
According to the Bloomberg Covid-19 Vaccine Tracker, the number of vaccine shots administered have passed the 12 million mark.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

Out of this number, 4.28 million are in the United States and just 103,000 doses have been given in Canada. Even taking in to account for the lower population in Canada, they have administered far fewer vaccines when compared to their Southern neighbor. For comparison, the state of New York has administered 237,000 vaccine shots till now.

Trudeau as usual, is all talk and no action. Anyway, the Canucks got what they deserve.

They also have had 600k total cases/15k deaths vs Americas 21 million/360k deaths.
2184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 03, 2021, 05:24:14 PM
Did you see the stats in one of the tweet replies?

This maybe sums up their arguments about the election.

Yeah that's funny.  Trump fans taking a page from Clinton fans book when they cried about winning the popular vote but still losing.
2185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Canadians to be vaccined. Trudeau orders 40 million vaccines for 38 million on: January 03, 2021, 05:40:50 AM
https://twitter.com/YoureAllDunces/status/1345407916409561090

The Wall Street Journal
@WSJ
More nursing homes are getting the Covid-19 vaccine, but a recent survey found nearly 72% of certified nursing assistants don’t want to be vaccinated. One Georgia company is offering staffers who take the shot a free breakfast at Waffle House. https://on.wsj.com/3pxsdyu

Ignatius J. Reilly
@YoureAllDunces
We know you’re starving, and we just gave you basically nothing, so here’s a junk food breakfast (only one per starving family) as long as you take our intentionally rushed experimental injection that even our own medical personnel are refusing.This is what they think of us.



The CNAs are the experts you've been talking about.  Really?

CHeck out what's required to become a CNA. 
2186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The ten pathways to a Trump victory on: January 03, 2021, 04:43:09 AM
^^^ Judges' rulings get overturned all over the place. Still 10. But actually, there are some more opening up... like, wait until Biden gets in, and then take him down for his obvious corruption. Watch him squirm as he tries to pardon himself without the authority to do so.

Cool

Judges don't count any more, got it.
2187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Canadians to be vaccined. Trudeau orders 40 million vaccines for 38 million on: January 03, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
The stuff about anti vaxxers starving to death and the Canadian Government forcing Grocery Stores to not let anyone in the door without the vaccine...it's not real.

We are really only a couple of relatively small steps away from it

Impressive level of ambiguity. 
2188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The ten pathways to a Trump victory on: January 03, 2021, 12:24:08 AM
Republican Senator Mitt Romney:
"The egregious ploy to reject electors may enhance the political ambition of some, but dangerously threatens our Democratic Republic."

also,

Judge Rejects Last-Minute Claim That Pence Can Ignore States' Presidential Electors
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/01/952728493/in-last-minute-challenge-some-republicans-argue-pence-can-ignore-states-electors

So 9 pathways now?
2189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 03, 2021, 12:20:43 AM
When Trump won his first election, Clinton accused him of rigging too.

No, she didn't do then what Trump is doing now.

She conceded that night and the next day gave a concession speech:

"I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."

And then the Obama administration fully cooperated in the transition process.
2190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US Elections 2020 - very self such moderated on: January 02, 2021, 08:49:36 PM
The last part of the 2020 election has spilled over into 2021 - Senate runoffs in Georgia next Tuesday, January 5:

David Perdue (R) vs Jon Ossoff (D)
Kelly Loeffler (R) vs Raphael Warnock (D)

Early turnout is high, polls tilt towards Democrats, who would control the Senate if they win both seats. What should the Republicans do? Not sure, but one thing they shouldn't do is try to depress their own turnout but of course they are doing exactly that:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/532348-trump-claims-georgia-senate-runoff-is-both-illegal-and-invalid-in-new-years

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President Trump on Friday evening tweeted that next week's Georgia Senate runoff elections are “both illegal and invalid,” even as he has been seeking to convince voters to throw their support behind the GOP senators seeking reelection.


I don't know much about Ossoff but I listened to a pretty long interview with him recently and was super impressed, especially considering he's only 33.  Kind of reminds me of a more aggressive Pete Buttigieg.
2191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Canadians to be vaccined. Trudeau orders 40 million vaccines for 38 million on: January 02, 2021, 05:25:18 PM
So if you decide against the vaccine you will just starve to death? This is not right.

This whole thing is driven by people who have money, and they have zero intent in becoming GMO's.  They are doing this thing to the useless eater classes as a means of controlling them so that they can maintain their position through the next economic shift.  So...

Ask yourself if you have the funds to afford a private jet.  If 'yes', then you can probably, if you play your cards/coins right, avoid the designer genetic material and still eat, fly, etc.  If 'no', then plan to assimilate into the borg or die.  They may choose to run some zoos here and there for their leisure and enjoyment (and potentially some harvest operations), but if you are on-line and reading this, you probably are not in one of these locations.

No, this is just anti-vaxxers exaggerating reality so they can be outraged.

I have zero psychological need to be outraged and would like nothing better than to enjoy the 'old normal' life while keeping my family safe.

On the other hand, I do not possess the ability to turn a blind eye to outrages whether they happen against me or against my fellow man.  It's just the way I'm wired.  Sucks, but it is what it is.



The stuff about anti vaxxers starving to death and the Canadian Government forcing Grocery Stores to not let anyone in the door without the vaccine...it's not real.
2192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Canadians to be vaccined. Trudeau orders 40 million vaccines for 38 million on: January 02, 2021, 02:57:30 PM
So if you decide against the vaccine you will just starve to death? This is not right.

No, this is just anti-vaxxers exaggerating reality so they can be outraged.
2193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: January 02, 2021, 12:19:46 PM




Not the same.
2194  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - Casino & Sportsbook - $500k Holiday Giveaway! 🚀 🎰 🏀 ⚾ 🏈 🎾 🥊 🎲 on: January 02, 2021, 09:03:43 AM
IMO there is indeed a fixed amount of reward for reaching a specific level but there can be additional amount based on how much we have lost while reaching the VIP level.
This is correct^^^
2195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The ten pathways to a Trump victory on: January 02, 2021, 08:54:15 AM
Republican Senator Ben Sasse on why he will not participate in any effort to overturn the election:
...

Would that be the same Ben Sasse who 'tutored' and 'proctored' the congressional page boys sent to be of service to the likes of Mark Foley?



Yup.  Definitely a Republican.

He's also likely the most intelligent member of congress imo.  Easily the most educated.
2196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 02, 2021, 05:48:39 AM
If all legal votes would have been counted, and all illegal votes would have been discarded, Trump would leave the White House, under thunderous applause, on the 20th January 2025.

The votes were counted, recounted, litigated, and certified.  Trump lost.

If the president got to decide which votes were legal and which were not, this might be true.  Then again, we'd probably already have a dictator by now and Trump likely never would've had a chance at being president.  In fact he probably wouldn't even be famous since his father would've likely not been able to make all that money for Trump to burn.
2197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Let’s say Trump did win the election... on: January 02, 2021, 05:42:10 AM
The Obama administration also briefed Trump on the Steele dossier (that was later described by someone in the Obama administration as "unverified") and immediately leaked this to the press.

I think a lot of people are assuming that because Trump uses the office of the president to pressure intelligence and law enforcement agencies into investigating specific people and businesses that this is normal.  It's not.  Like presidents before him, Obama was not involved in FBI decisions to investigate or charge Americans.

while in reality, there was never any evidence that the Trump administration colluded with Russia.
You should read the Mueller report.

How about this, for example: A Russian intelligence officers flying into NYC from Russia for secret a meeting with Trumps campaign director (who's last job was getting Putins hand picked candidate elected as president of Ukraine) where internal campaign data was shared, and the idea to allow Russia to annex more of Ukraine was discussed.


She also said that she could beat Trump "again", among other things that showed she did not accept the results of the election.
She also received almost 3 million votes than Trump and was responding to a Trump tweet saying something like "I think crooked Hillary should run again so I can have another easy huge win".

The Obama administration took many steps to prevent Trump from implementing his policies (exercise his power, as vested by the Constitution). For example, Sally Yates (an Obama administration holdover) refused to defend Trump's travel ban that was later found constitutional by the Supreme Court.
That's not true at all.  I suggest reading the EO from Jan 2016 and comparing it to the Muslim Ban 3.0 that the Supreme Court allowed almost 2 years later.

Also, her refusing to enforce it was not a step to prevent Trump from implementing it.  It was her way of quitting in protest - by publicly announcing she would not follow Trumps orders, she knowingly forced Trump to instantly fire her.




In the end, even if all of these points were valid, and most of them are not, none of them would justify the way Trump has responded to losing the election.
2198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 02, 2021, 03:01:32 AM

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MR. BIDEN WILL NOT BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT—HE WILL CAPITULATE!

"My friend received a call last night, from a current member of a 'National security office' and he was told Biden was preparing to surrender. With his son too."

Jeez.  Now when Biden and his son don't 'surrender' they're going to have to make something else up to explain why.  I wonder if they even think that far ahead.

What happened to sticking with vague statements about conspiracy theories that can't be proven false?
2199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Let’s say Trump did win the election... on: January 02, 2021, 01:22:18 AM
In 2009 when President Bush was leaving office, and transferring power to the new Obama administration, both political parties, including President Bush acknowledged the election was legitimate.

The same cannot be said in 2017 when President Obama was leaving office and preparing to transfer power to the Trump administration. The Obama administration took steps to imply that Russia had gotten Trump elected and that Trump was not a legitimate President. Democrats did the same and pushed unfounded conspiracy theories without any evidence including mainstream Democrats.

Trying to put the way the Obama administration handled the 2016 election on the same level as Trump administrations handling of the 2020 election is just as messed up as trying to equate Bidens sexual assault allegations with Trumps.  

The Russia investigation and impeachment had nothing to with overturning an election.  Besides the fact that Russia did interfere in the election to benefit Trump, even if the Senate would have convicted and removed Trump, it's not like Clinton would all the sudden become president.  (I realize impeachment was a separate issue from the Russia probe)

I've been hearing the 2016 transition period constantly be mischaracterized by right wing media in attempt to make Trumps behavior appear acceptable, so let me remind everyone of what happened between election day and the day Trump took office.

Clinton called Trump to congratulate him and the day after the election said this in her concession speech:

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We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.

Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it. It also enshrines other things; the rule of law, the principle that we are all equal in rights and dignity, freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these values too and we must defend them.

Obama called Trump the same day to congratulate him and said he was 'heartened' by the conversation and invited him to the White House immediately.

By all reports the Obama administration went above and beyond to work with the transition team (although Trumps people blew off most of the meetings).

Here's the letter Obama left for Trump:
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Dear Mr. President -

Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.

This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don’t know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.

First, we’ve both been blessed, in different ways, with great good fortune. Not everyone is so lucky. It’s up to us to do everything we can (to) build more ladders of success for every child and family that’s willing to work hard.

Second, American leadership in this world really is indispensable. It’s up to us, through action and example, to sustain the international order that’s expanded steadily since the end of the Cold War, and upon which our own wealth and safety depend.

Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions – like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties – that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it’s up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.

And finally, take time, in the rush of events and responsibilities, for friends and family. They’ll get you through the inevitable rough patches.

Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in any ways which we can.

Good luck and Godspeed,





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2200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The ten pathways to a Trump victory on: January 01, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
Republican Senator Ben Sasse on why he will not participate in any effort to overturn the election:

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IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

No.

For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt.

* In Pennsylvania, Team Trump is right that lots went wrong. Specifically, a highly partisan state supreme court rewrote election law in ways that are contrary to what the legislature had written about the deadline for mail-in ballots – this is wrong. But Biden won Pennsylvania by 81,000 votes – and there appear to have been only 10,000 votes received and counted after election day. So even if every one of these votes were for Biden and were thrown out, they would not come close to affecting the outcome. Notably, Stephanos Bibas (a Trump appointee) of the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals, ruled against the president’s lawsuit to reverse Biden’s large victory, writing in devastating fashion: “calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

* In Michigan, which Biden won by 154,000 votes, the Trump team initially claimed generic fraud statewide – but with almost no particular claims, so courts roundly rejected suit after suit. The Trump team then objected to a handful of discrepancies in certain counties and precincts, some more reasonable than others. But for the sake of argument, let’s again assume that every single discrepancy was resolved in the president’s favor: It would potentially amount to a few thousand votes and not come anywhere close to changing the state’s result.

* In Arizona, a federal judge jettisoned a lawsuit explaining that “allegations that find favor in the public sphere of gossip and innuendo cannot be a substitute for earnest pleadings and procedure in federal court,” she wrote. “They most certainly cannot be the basis for upending Arizona’s 2020 General Election.” Nothing presented in court was serious, let alone providing a basis for overturning an election. (https://www.azcentral.com/…/federal-judge-throws…/6506927002)

* In Nevada, there do appear to have been some irregularities – but the numbers appear to have been very small relative to Biden’s margin of victory. It would be useful for there to be an investigation into these irregularities, but a judge rejected the president’s suit because the president’s lawyers “did not prove under any standard of proof” that enough illegal votes were cast, or legal votes not counted, “to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election.” (https://www.8newsnow.com/…/judge-no-evidence-to-support-vo…/)

* In Wisconsin, as McCarthy has written, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled against President Trump, suggesting that President-Elect Biden’s recorded margin of victory (about 20,000 votes) was probably slightly smaller in fact, but even re-calculating all of the votes in question in a generously pro-Trump way would not give the president a victory in the state. (https://www.nationalreview.com/…/biden-won-wisconsin-but-i…/)

* In Georgia, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation complete audit of more than 15,000 votes found one irregularity – a situation where a woman illegally signed both her and her husband’s ballot envelopes.

At the end of the day, one of the President Trump’s strongest supporters, his own Attorney General, Bill Barr, was blunt: “We have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”
https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSasse/posts/what-happens-on-january-6th-in-november-160-million-americans-voted-on-december-/3517705981660655/
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