I have photo all my bets before I did the bet before win, and after win, so you cannot tell me that I known result of the games, as you said, this is proof of the world
I looked at all of your evidence and I think you knew the result of the bet that was voided before you placed it. |
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Next to nitrogensports, SWC has the highest rake (cap) online. And there are no games running, at all.
So why would anyone play there. Its game over for this place.
Allow me to tell you a little story of why I play at SwC. It was just another uneventful rainy spring morning full of bubbled freerolls and begging for micro tourney stakes in the lobby chat. I was exhausted. I was worried about my bankroll, my family, the devaluation of my native 3rd world currency, and this new coin, bitcoin cash. Then suddenly a man appeared in all yellow and all my fears were put to rest, all my questions answered. The rain stopped. The sun came out. His name was SwC Frank. Please , do go on. |
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https://i.imgur.com/f3exHBz.png |||||| bets (all bets , 4 lose , one WIN VOID ( REGULAR WIN)) What you will say about this proof clear evidence you blind no head? Proof that a bet was voided isn't proof of a scam though. If we weren't dealing with a brand new account on both the book and this forum, I might look at things a little different. But you made 5 bets, and the one in question was bigger than all the others and it was made on the outcome of a single table tennis point. There are players who regularly create new accounts at online sports books to take advantage of some weakness they found. When they are caught, banned and not paid, they create a new account here and make a bunch of untrue claims. Then they go back to the same book, create a new account and start all over. You check all the same boxes. And while this does involve 1xBit since you played there, don't take this as any sort of endorsement for them. I haven't put much effort into the years of 1xbit drama, but I think it's safe to say they have one of the worst reputations on the forum and if anyone were to ask me if I thought they should deposit there, I would say no. Definitely not. |
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Stake should offer Ole Gunnar Solskjaer ambassador spot. I heard he's looking for work.
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I've tried on countless occasions to engage with this community on a serious level however there are to many people who like to spoil it for others so they maintain there trust scores. Some of you have good manners even if you have a gripe with the casino which is fair - but others are just rude and ignorant with nothing between the ears.
You never tried to engage with me. You said it's a criminal offense and you could sue me if I don't deposit on your site but tell other people about the flaw in your provably fair implementation. However unless you have actually deposited and played on my site - Libel Is A Criminal Offense - ruining websites credibility online without checking in full and making comments as such is a suable offense in a court of law. Please refrain from labelling my website unless you have had a genuine bad experience please. Be respectful.
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I want sometimes in your life to be scammed , but scammed so much to be pain a lot. ( because you defend scam company for small amount of money, and it is for shame, because people like me lose big money there because of your defending, and shows people it is legal( and it is total illegal website) Here are proofs of the security ; https://imgur.com/P9igFcI |||||| Email I sent to 1xbit security!, with the pictures attached of the bet I placed, with the actual set behind my bet, and clearly shows that SET IS NOT FINISHED, and it is not already known result. But seems they dont want to pay win games, and if you win some games they will make your bet as refund, and they want to lose your ALL MONEY! https://imgur.com/QfFfTcv |||||| Received email from the lie scam security that it is already known result ( I think they not even oppen my pictures attached, it is only bot replay, and not even support any people there, they only replay already known result or something like that, and you will never be paid) After this, I sent many emails, showing the picture that clearly shows my bet is regular, and set is not finished, but they stopped responding, so that seems it is bot replay only once, and they not even oppening any proofs, and seems it is total scam, because i lost 4 games in a row and they never make any of my lost games as refund, and when I win only ONE game they make refund and also blocked my account after that win, so after several hours to be able to login and to see my bet is 1 odd refund. Total joke of company who not allow you to win any money there! It's pretty well known that live Table Tennis betting has been a weak spot when it comes to players exploiting bad lines from online books. There are tons of matches, the quality of coverage is poor, and the pace is very fast with new lines after every point which can happen as fast as every 10-15 seconds. If a player can find a live stream or update source just a few seconds ahead of the Casino, they can place wagers that they know have already won. With that in mind, lets look at the time line of facts this guy has shared so far. Nov 14th he signs up for 1xbit, makes two deposits for 500 and 890 USDT and places 5 bets, all of which are settled within the same hour. He loses 490 on a soccer match and then loses 3 Tennis bets for 20, 30 and 25 USDT before the bet in question here: Table Tennis: Fedorov vs Pinkovsky, while the first set was being played he bet 680 USDT that Pinkovsky would win by more than 3.5 points. From his screen shot we can see that 1xBit had the live score as 7-10  In table tennis you play to 11, and you have to win by 2, which means he was essentially betting on the outcome of a single point. If Pinkovsky won the point, he would win the set by 4 points. If he lost the point, it would be impossible for him to win the set by more than the 3.5 point handicap. This situation is exactly what it would look like if the bettor had access to a live feed just a few seconds ahead of the sportsbook. Turns out Pinkovsky won the point. They voided the bet. And the next day he created a new bitcointalk account to post in this thread. I don't think it's ok for any book to regularly put themselves in this situation. If their tech can't keep up with all the table tennis lines in real time, they shouldn't offer action. Or at the very least there needs to be a third party archiving all the action with time stamps so that there's proof one way or the other. Eventually, innocent bettors will get caught up in the cat and mouse game between the house and players taking advantage of them. This situation looks pretty clear to me though. I think sarvankr made that live bet because he knew what the outcome would be and now he's playing us for fools pretending that he didn't. |
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Regarding trust issues which unfortunately cant be avoided, I have an idea that may be of interest.
If I create a Bitcoin Talk raffle for $5 per ticket - winner takes all and the winner can post proof of his or her withdrawal.
There is no way of us fooling the raffle right? We will just take a 5% rake from the pot as a casino fee and the rest is the winners.
Are you ok? You're not making any sense. Just stop claiming your games are provably fair, because they aren't. At least the card based ones. Get rid of the stupid server secret. |
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We will not be posting news, updates or promoting on this forum in future.
Any chance you changed your mind about sharing the details about how everyones money disappeared during a 'hack' last time and how much it was also? Either it was some stupid mistake that he don't want to admit, or it was a hack so clever that he don't want to talk about details to do not show the way to new scammers cause trouble to other casinos. Or there was no hack... Imagine having lots of other peoples money stolen from you. More than you could cover. The first thing any reasonable person does is provide some sort of proof that they weren't the ones that stole it themselves. Unless there is no proof because they did steal it. Then they either disappear forever or, if they're really special, act like Dean and try to convince people to give them even more money while blaming other people for the the money that hasn't been repaid. |
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We just launched a local campaign for hindi-speaking users, 10 free slots! >> INDIA 1xBit << so Now you are targeting Hindi community , is there small people from other countries entering your Site nowadays?  I am seeing how people like Desmong, Erdogan can support and defend this kind of website 1xbit? I want to show you what the 1xbit algorithm is. You can not win there. you can only lose. This is proof of that. This is what and how this can happen. I created an account for the first time on this web site yesterday, and made a deposit twice. Once 890 USDT and once again 500USDT. I bet on 5 matches of which the first 4 lost, and I was very nervous. Then I went live to another match which luckily for me won. Because the stakes were high I took pictures before the match won, and after the win. But after the victory I was disconnected from my account. I got confused and tried to log in several times but it was unsuccessful. Then I wrote in the email from security 1xbit why my account is blocked. They sent me a message after 6 hours that they stop cooperating with me and I can not bet again. I tried to log in again to the account AND WHAT TO SEE, my ONLY winning bet was refunded. I asked them why my only winning match was refunded, and they told me that I KNEW THE MATCH BEFORE IT ENDED. WHAT !? HOW !? I have proof of this and I will send this to court, and I will open a lawsuit for this event. They do not allow you to win, this is the biggest proof. I sent 10 emails, with pictures with evidence but THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED! Here, see all that I'm talking about. My ACCOUNT NUMBER is : 351213535 , in case you back my winnings from my regular win game. This is for what I am speaking about: https://i.imgur.com/f3exHBz.png |||||| bets (all bets , 4 lose , one WIN VOID ( REGULAR WIN)) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://i.imgur.com/bNg6BB7.jpeg |||||| bet before it won, this is picture where I placed the Player Pavel Pinkovsky to win the first set handicap (-3.5), and behind my bet there is actual score 7-10. And after it set finished 7-11. But I placed it before it finished and all information's are on the bet I have made! Photo is full screen and they cannot telling me I have know the result, because picture show bet is made BEFORE IT WIN! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://i.imgur.com/q4cew28.jpeg |||||| bet before it won in bets history --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://i.imgur.com/crMlGRX.jpeg |||||| my win bet after game won and after they blocked my account with sign out and cannot login, then i sent email to security. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://i.imgur.com/f3exHBz.png |||||| bets (all bets , 4 lose , one WIN VOID ( REGULAR WIN)) And please tell me your supporters Desmong, Erdogan, is this legal and what you will say about this? Nice detailed post, please continue this psoting for others to keep safe from this scammers . He didn't include the actual response from support. I'm not trying to defend 1xbit as I haven't really kept up with all the details, but I know they have a pretty bad rep. But what I'm seeing in the thread is everyone just taking sides with anyone who makes a scam accusation against them. They're obviously going to have tons of players try to use the fact that they have a bad rep but appear to be trying to fix it as a way to extort them. Again, not hopping on the 1xbit train here. Just sayin, everyone should be aware that they're probably getting more players using this forum to scam them than you would normally expect to see. And players like that are just as bad for the community as Scam casinos are. |
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We will not be posting news, updates or promoting on this forum in future.
Any chance you changed your mind about sharing the details about how everyones money disappeared during a 'hack' last time and how much it was also? |
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I think you would be more likely to succeed if you focused on fixing the way outcomes are determined in your casino so that they are actually provably fair.
In the mean time, you should remove any mention of your games being provably fair, since they're not.
Your issue with their provably fair implementation is that the client seed isn't used for the generation of their server secret, but is instead used to manipulate the final results. In the case of a card game, that means cutting the deck, and I see how that could be exploited. I'm not sure how that'd be implemented with their slots game though because it seems like the client seed does an unpredictable job of shuffling the reels, and same with dice. Do you have any ideas on that? (I really am just curious, not trying to defend this casino) Anyway, this casino failed to process a withdrawal. I think you're right about slots and dice. They're basically taking a non-provably fair random number and then shifting it by a provably fair random number. I could be missing something though, I can't find the actual code posted anywhere and I haven't really looked into their slots too much. In the end, having a server secret is either pointless or it results in the game being notprovably fair. I can say for sure it's making their card based games not provably fair. It really wouldn't be that difficult for whoever developed their software to simply get rid of it. |
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I think you would be more likely to succeed if you focused on fixing the way outcomes are determined in your casino so that they are actually provably fair. In the mean time, you should remove any mention of your games being provably fair, since they're not.
Not sure if any traders have noticed however this pair looks like an easy 10x gem if bought at a good price. Just purchased 10,000 tokens via Binance @ 0.1389 - will be hodling for a while. I'm not a financial advisor however do take a look as this could make you a nice profit here defo. Good luck everyone Any analysis or thoughts on the pair from you guys would be great for the ride up and the community in general... https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/hegic/11 days later:  hmmm.... |
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1) Who will receive the ball first? Patriots 2) Will the Patriots cover the -7 point spread? No 3) Game total 47.5? Under 4) Highest scoring Quarter? 4th 5) Patriots total points? Even 6) Falsons total points? Even 7) Mac Jones to throw for 230 yards? Over  Matt Ryan to throw for 240 yards? Under 9) Damien Harris to score a TD? Yes 10) Cordarrelle Patterson to score a TD? No |
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How can you think its okay to permanently ban a loyal user based on nothing but your own judgement?
Isn't it his site? Don't you think he should be able to ban whoever the hell he wants for whatever reason he wants? The internet is big, go find help or lose your money somewhere that wants your action. Don't be so ignorant. There are certain legislative laws that oppose the action of banning users without a valid reason that are in place specifically due to casinos banning players who win There are also laws making it illegal for him not to ban you if you do or say something that makes him think you have a gambling problem. But this is the internet, and he told you that you aren't welcome to play on his site, so move on. If you're really delusional enough to think you have some legal right to risk your money against his money then call a lawyer and good luck. |
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How can you think its okay to permanently ban a loyal user based on nothing but your own judgement?
Isn't it his site? Don't you think he should be able to ban whoever the hell he wants for whatever reason he wants? The internet is big, go find help or lose your money somewhere that wants your action. |
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Maybe stick to investing then and find someone else to run Betabit and salvage the mess you created. Pretending like your games are provably fair will only do more damage. |
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Thank you for your support. Regarding @TwitchySeal - my response to his forum post is as follows: Regarding the Author to this post: I cannot discuss other sites that you have mentioned in your post as I have not used them and am not associated with them in any way shape or form. However regarding: www.betabit.casino which is the site that I operate. I can assure you that the provably fair system is sound and fully automated & functioning correctly and not a single player has complained about this. Nobody at the back end has any control over ANY of the games outcomes. It is also highlighted on the site that not all of the games are provably fair. If there is indeed an issue with the particular game: video poker then I will indeed investigate further and if needed I will remove the game if there is an issue. However unless you have actually deposited and played on my site - Libel Is A Criminal Offense - ruining websites credibility online without checking in full and making comments as such is a suable offense in a court of law. Please refrain from labelling my website unless you have had a genuine bad experience please. Be respectful. You can follow the bitcoin talk forum for betabit.casino here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365927.0Now can people please stop with the nonsense and behave like grown ups please. No,I don't need to send you my money in order to know whether or not your games are provably fair. And I don't need to send you money in order to tell other people about it. Anyone with a basic understanding of the provably fair concept can do all this for free by reading what you have on your own site: https://www.betabit.casino/pages/provably-fair"When you open the game page the server generates a secret and a seed and reveals its hash (using HMAC SHA256 algorithm). The server secret represents randomly shuffled card deck. " You're 'shuffling the deck' as soon as the user opens the page. You aren't using the client seed when determining the order of the cards, you're just claiming they're randomly shuffled. The player needs to trust that you aren't intentionally setting the order of the initial deck state to gain an unfair advantage. If it were provably fair, you'd be proving that they were randomly shuffled, but you're not. The same goes for your other games, I'm just using video poker as an example. Your site isn't provably fair. Don't get all pissy and shoot the messenger, your issue should be with whoever sold you the script and told you it was provably fair - because it's not. You're welcome for bringing this to your attention so that you can do what any honest casino owner would do and fix the problem while, in the meantime, making sure any potential or current players are informed of the issue. |
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I have not used them and am not associated with them in any way shape or form. Your flawed explanation of how your games are provably fair (even though they aren't) are word for word exact copies. So either they copied your (flawed) explanation, you copied theirs, or everyone copied it from the guy selling the $50 gambling scripts that you're all using. Look, here's your site:  Here are a couple others:   I can assure you that the provably fair system is sound and fully automated & functioning correctly and not a single player has complained about this.
No it's not. Look, in the first two sentence of the explanation you can see the issue:  The server is generating the shuffle. You could put the cards in whatever order you want and the player would never know. not a single player has complained about this.
This is a thread with many players complaining about sites doing exactly what you're doing. |
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The client seed isn't something that needs to be kept hidden from either party. As soon as you set it, the casino knows what it is. Getting the "secret" on your side known by the house can let them doing any manipulation, drawing any result they want in example if they detect you playing auto-bet will let them know the bets that will be placed There is no secret on your side. When you set your seed, they know what it is right away - they use it to determine the outcome. They have to set their seed first though, which is what prevents them from making any changes after you set yours. The only real secret there should be is the unhashed server seed - if the player were to know that then they would be able to figure out the exact outcome of every bet ahead of time. The casinos I listed are adding another secret, one that the player has no ability to influence or even confirm how it's created. |
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How about client seeds being leaked? a web html page need just some scripts to do so As OP said, when the "server secret seed" can be "manipulated" as much as wanted, that's don't give any real insurance there The client seed isn't something that needs to be kept hidden from either party. As soon as you set it, the casino knows what it is. What of creating an external open source tool to secure the randomization provided, even if it bet very well-known, casinos would be forced in some way to adopt it !
It can be provided from an external server so no need of adding module or extension from the client side
Sha-256 provides all the 'randomness' needed I think. I wrote before about some casinos OP mentioned, they are not provably fair and most of them are probably scam that are using exact same template. You can find many of them on my topic List of Casinos and Sportbooks to Avoid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283832.0Great thread. |
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