Are you trolling me? Lets work together says the guy that promoted the angle that I'm not a developer to the community and tried to have my participation censored.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/13/digital-economy-task-force
"Bitcoin, Tor and Gates Foundation join task force to prevent child exploitation"

Don't tell me it's just about talking to the police. I'm sure you can rationalise it however you want. It sure starts that way. That's what people who run education seminars for the NSA or DoD tell themselves when you ask them. But they get paid for something.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/13/digital-economy-task-force
"Bitcoin, Tor and Gates Foundation join task force to prevent child exploitation"

I feel like you all actually believe what you're saying which is sad beyond belief.

How much money would you take from the dutch police to help them arrest a buyer of DMT from Silk Road, and so help clear up Bitcoin's image?

Gavin, tainting any worries about powerful vested interests as conspiracy is manipulative. Either you are living a fantasy or being dishonest.

Developers control the software they make. Developers represent interests. It's not conspiracy to be worried that power becomes vested in corporations and mafias *against* the individual and black markets.

There are many deep technical decisions in the software that don't involve changing the protocol, and aren't clear to everybody. Sometimes it might be hard to make a decision one way or the other. When it's not clear, it's easy for corruption to tip the balance in favour of the big guy. And as Bitcoin grows, step by step it deviates, step by step it becomes corrupted.

If you cannot see that, you are living in la la land. Branding others as crazy means you're delusional, not others. Especially now that the Snowden revelations have shown the global adversary as FACT. Currying favour is a weak move based on fear.

You have the choice how you use your time and resources. We decide through individual action. How much are you willing to refuse to do the right thing? How about if it's a small bad for lots of money? It's easy to lose our confidence to hold steadfast and do what's right without justifying corruption in some way if we're not constantly vigilant.

Note: I'm not talking about the meeting. I'm talking about your reference to calling people conspiracy theorists.

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feel free to make an account and let me know username

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I strongly recommend people to upgrade Obelisk if they were running the
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These packages will be maintained for some time, with bug fixes backported.
I'll also help with upgrading code to newer versions as the API changes
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Thanks to bitcoin I am now killing myself working and under immense stress. This is after spending years writing opensource code, seeing all that effort evaporate, feeling crushed and then vowing never to write code again. Now the whole thing has started again with bitcoin, and I sometimes question why I do these things.

anyway I'm glad I read this poem yesterday: http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm

you haven't really said anything of substance yet that i can try to address. i think dht scales much better than bitmessage.

and hand waving it away as just dht + blockchain is like handwaving away bitcoin as proof of work + signed timestamped messages. he's put a lot of thought into different use cases and built the primitives to support them (restype="single" or "multi"). and thought about scalability. i have confidence in this unless someone can tell me real problems.

this is more elegant than retroshare. retroshare is lets put everything here. twister is next generation.

maybe you can specify some of these problems? i've been emailing the author, and he's a very competent coder.

my twister ids: @genjix @darkwallet

Yes, you can bridge using gateways between 2 usernames. You can make this gateway easily using a Python script:
http://twister.net.co/?page_id=120

It's limited to 140 chars because that's optimal but AFAIK I don't think it's a fixed limit in the protocol.

if this happens unsystem will invest resources to continue developing it under the same name keeping the same layout.

there's a lot more possible with this:
https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/Twister/Ideas

it could enable many of the difficult to use crypto features of bitcoin like managing a multisig, negotiating some of the contracts, requesting a key to generate new receiver addresses (for privacy). there are many possibilities. it could even obsolete and replace the payment protocol.

https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/Libbitcoin/Open_tasks

feel free to send me an email <myusername>@riseup.net

piotr, its not just about backdoors but about bias in tech decision making. if legit corporations are the ones paying devs salaries, then they will choose the best decisions to benefit corporations and optimise for their use case. and who would be there representing the enterprising individuals and making the software better for them. you're looking too black and white at the things. i'm saying decentralise everything is good for a healthy ecosystem.

note these are tech decisions. i didnt even get into stuff like blacklists, drm, tracking which actually attack users. those can also happen if we're not vigilant. justusranvier explained it well: http://bitcoinism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/did-you-get-good-price-when-you-sold-out.html

i want limitations to be removed too. i just don't want new extensions to the protocols (make them rarer). or huge changes/rework stuff.

if you think blockchain = consensus, then lets make it a constitution that resists being revised.

this is the future of crypto messaging:

http://twister.net.co/

better than bitmessage. inspired by bitcoin. uses bittorrent with a blockchain. made by former xine dev. uses libtorrent (libbitcoin was inspired by libtorrent).

this is it.

more info:

https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/Twister
Freenode IRC #twister
whitepaper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7152

re: twister and other protocol layers.

the argument to use the bitcoin blockchain is that it offers absolute security. by using a new chain, some portion of that power can peel off and attack you. this means that alt chains will always have trouble getting through that initial hump where they are vulnerable to mining attacks.

however alt chains increasingly serve a variety of market purposes (such as twister). there's varying degrees of risk on how much X mining power is likely to be used (like when pools attack some altcoins in the past to prove a point), but if the market incentive is greater and grows quickly enough it can get past this hump.

especially now since the bitcoin blockchain is associated with money and has a high level of security (money demands high level of security), it's difficult to design a successful altcoin. but there are chains providing other purposes and can tolerate more risk. they are also optimised for their use case and so more efficient than simply relying on bitcoin blockchain, and hence far cheaper.

twister is the best example of this. i've been thinking and they've made the right decision making an altchain. it's the future, and i think beats bitmessage. i'm making some notes here:

https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/Twister

edit: changed my mind about twister. It's more nuanced than that. we can use a combination. see this discussion here:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/twister-users/cgxyB2oOQkk/Ov-MUUv3uG4J
This is a good project using an altchain: http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

there needs to be a incredible amount of friction against modifying bitcoin's rules. some of these issues are very complex and less than a handful of people understand them worldwide. what happens when you as a user, have no-one representing your interest in that circle.

great we have a mailing list and an irc #darkwallet on freenode for your q