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2221  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2014, 01:29:06 PM
following by a dump in the next few days / weeks...

Make that minutes

Anyone listened to me?

No.

At these price levels selling to buy back lower is unlikely to yield significant profits unless the price collapses below all support. So you are betting on disaster at the bottom of a trading range. It is more likely the price trades up towards 400 and you buy back in at a loss.
2222  Economy / Speculation / Re: Poll: Bitcoin Price in 2015 on: December 24, 2014, 12:56:38 PM
Given bitcoin is starting 2015 from the bottom of a brutal bear market then the price could easily jump up 300% and still not touch the ATH. Should be an exciting year!
2223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2014, 12:40:41 PM
So this embarrassing low volume mini rally topped out at previous historic support $340 that now became resistance.
Ain't looking pretty for the bulls lol

It is the holidays.
2224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2014, 11:36:29 PM
How are the shorts going NotLambChop?
2225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


maybe some noobs didnt do their homework and have expensive electricity.

I dont care really.


Expensive electricity and/or expensive hardware(imported stuff with taxes) and/or taxes.

How much left after taxes.

If you ever bother with them at all.


no taxes for btc here.

Note to self: wait for 100$ btc

I think we won't go that low because 100$ BTC mining costs are the bottom and not the avarage.
Once difficulty drops (a lot) this could change of course, but I think there are other problems to give attention to then.

Tarmi talking bullshit as usual.


just keep repeating that to yourself and keep your eyes fixed on price ticker.

I can live with that as long as you are willing to pay 3 times the cost of production in electricity.

hell, I still hold some coins that I made with my gpu farm, you really dont want to know how much did those coins cost.

Try including your hardware costs and come back with a truthful figure!
2226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2014, 01:19:14 PM
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


maybe some noobs didnt do their homework and have expensive electricity.

I dont care really.


Expensive electricity and/or expensive hardware(imported stuff with taxes) and/or taxes.

How much left after taxes.

If you ever bother with them at all.


no taxes for btc here.

Note to self: wait for 100$ btc

I think we won't go that low because 100$ BTC mining costs are the bottom and not the avarage.
Once difficulty drops (a lot) this could change of course, but I think there are other problems to give attention to then.

Tarmi talking bullshit as usual.
2227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 22, 2014, 11:54:17 PM
Bitcoin is going to shine like a diamond in the midst of the smoldering wreckage of this god-forsaken SNAFU




germany should know better


At least Japan and Germany are not as bad as the US over the past couple of years. With QE3 the US printed $85b/m for $1.02T/year, that's trillion. The US's deficit was less than a trillion recently (although not by much), so the FED was not just monetizing 100% of the deficit but also buying down additional outstanding debt as well. I'd like to believe it can't get any uglier than that, but I'm sure they'll find a way to surprise me.


It isn't quite as clear cut as all that though. Here in the UK we have QE, too. The BOE bought government bonds, GILTS, and basically own the market and allows ZIRP to continue happily. Last time I checked they owned more than a third of the entire British national debt. The bonds owned by the BOE are paid an annual interest payment (coupon) by the UK government. It is simply handed straight back. The bonds will be held until they expire. Apart from the initial emission via the deficit in the form of inflation the newly created debt has no effect in the long term to the balance sheet of the UK. It is illusory.

It is similar in the US. It is total banana republic stuff and I expect there will be a tipping point where there may be a sudden flight from a Western currency, say when a certain % (50?) of national debt is owned by the central bank. But this can be gamed and obfuscated for a long time. Other central banks can print money out of thin air and use it to buy different nations bonds, or even buy stocks lol.

Central banks crossed a line in 2008. They now control all markets. They have dislocated the markets in such a way that it is impossible to measure the true value of any stock or commodity or even gold.

Bitcoin is necessary as it cannot be inflated outwith its algorithmic schedule.
2228  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2014, 11:40:31 PM
Another thing to take note of (apart from it's Christmas) is the difficulty chart. It went down 4% and the trend is still ''down''. It seems we somehow found a way to an equilibrium.

https://blockchain.info/el/charts/difficulty

It's obvious that bitcoin miners are minting at very low % of profit.
The bigger ones try to hold as much as they can to seel in "pumps" like the one that we've seen before. The others just shut-off their rigs to don't pay more in electricity than what they really earn.

Could be interesting to have the testimonial of some miners and know if they hold or sell all their minted btc's  Wink

I often hear "only large industrial size mining farms can be profitable"

This sentiment gets repeated until it is largely accepted as "fact".

But a home miner does not need to lease a large factory space or airplane hangar, and in the winter the electricity is effectively free. So I think the small miners can still compete by virtue of having lower overhead costs.

As an example, my cost right now is approximately $100 per bitcoin mined, and I don't sell any.

Other miners please feel free to chime in...

$100 per coin including your hardware costs?
2229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2014, 07:15:15 PM
Still just under 17,000 potential shorts (btc swaps) according to bfxdata.
If the price moves up much higher things could get interesting quickly.

Bought again off circle just now - just for you LambChop.
2230  Economy / Speculation / Re: The BULL RUN has BEGUN? on: December 22, 2014, 07:04:48 PM
i'm afraid you're right.

And i'm an hodl Sad

Don't lose heart. Bitcoin will start 2015 likely near this price and will have an excellent chance of generating some decent % gains throughout the year. Sure this years performance is a bit crap - if you bought at the peak. But imagine the headlines next year - worst performer of 2014 to best performer of 2015. Plus nearly half a billion dollars of VC funding has entered the space in the last year. Expect fireworks before the next halving.
2231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2014, 07:01:54 PM
what is the purpose of buying 10k bitcoins in every exchange on a downtrend ?

Buy low, hold, sell high.
2232  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
I am pretty happy adding at these levels. It looks like others with bigger wallets are, too.  Cheesy
2233  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 09:50:42 PM
The general consensus seems to be down

Great trading strategy!  Smiley
2234  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
No rebuttal then?



 Grin
2235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 08:03:08 PM
Actually I would say that wages seem stagnant and cost of living on major life purchases for the average person has risen dramatically higher than inflation. This is entirely to the benefit of banks lending mortgages.

Something funny seems to have happened on that chart almost exactly when the US came off the gold standard and became a centrally planned pure fiat currency. You argued very eloquently (and wrongly IMO) that bitcoin is a poor currency because it has fixed enforced programatic scarcity on another thread. Perhaps look at that chart you posted and give us an analysis to back up that assertion with a straight face.

Smiley
2236  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 07:47:44 PM
Now tell me which items in such a 'basket of goods' takes up most household income. Next remind us who benefits from large mortgages currently in existence in the Western world? Finally, why does it now require both husband and wife to work to attain the same standard of living as a single earner in the 1970's and earlier?
2237  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 07:32:40 PM
Post the price of a house from 1946 and 2013.
2238  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin as an investment on: December 21, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
You could say the exact same thing for Gold and Silver... if Russians aren't buying it as a hedge to the ruble, then PMs are surely "finished". But we are not really factoring in market manipulation and perception management. For Bitcoin in particular, the idea is to have Bitcoin portrayed as the worst investment of the year in a large number of financial and mainstream articles.

Yep, and it will no doubt be effective to a degree. But next year bitcoin won't have to work very hard to put in very high YOY % gains. The cynical in me might even suggest this will be timed to correlate with the opening up in the US of bitcoin to further investment in products such as an ETF or a US based exchange!
2239  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 07:07:14 PM
Bfx btc swaps (potential or open leveraged shorts) now at 18,750.

Keep on shorting, traders.
2240  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2014, 04:42:24 PM
Why do you have a trust rating of -4 NotLambChop? And why are you posting with two accounts on the same thread at the same time? (FatherBob).

 Smiley

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