Let me then speculate, but for this truly to be Luke-Jr's shipped product, both of the two following speculative assumptions must definitely be false:
1) BFL guys are still continuing to hit those bits and pieces on the table with an oscilloscope, SW debugging tools and various other lab testing equipment and they are not keeping it fully powered on hashing 24/7 in the fear it will overheat and die setting fire to the whole building before they are able to find out everything what is wrong with it. I can confirm this is false. I have it hashing away 24/7 except for when I stop/restart/debug BFGMiner to try to optimize it better. 2) Luke-Jr's unit will be swapped for a working production model that is going to be actually shipped to him as soon as they are finished as this abortion on the table will be thrown into trashcan by BFL employees either at the moment when finished products are available or when this unit dies from overheating whichever happens sooner and Luke-Jr is not going to feel sorry for 'his' unit. Maybe for the lost bitcoins, but not for 'his unit'. I have no qualms with making use of the warranty, but once BFL has the rest of my order ready I certainly intend this one to be shipped along with it. In the meantime, I prefer to keep it right where it is until at least the next difficulty adjustment.  |
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Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts or making these statements? Yes, BFL is moving his order to the front of the line. Having the first hashing device will provide quite a nice profit for him. My order was already at the front of the line. I understand BFL shipping to a pool/miner dev first, but you were certainly not at the front of the normal queue so please refrain from lying to make you or them seem better, okay? I know this because I was confirmed by BFL to be at the very front of the line, with order number 1656. --Garrett I don't lie. All I can speculate is that maybe their "very front of the line" included multiple positions as "front". Edit: Another possibility is that the customer service people just didn't have it accurate, since my order was setup directly (not via the ordering system). |
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BTW, I started out that semi-long post I made a few minutes ago with the intention of presenting arguments for both sides.
I was surprised that I couldn't come up with any good arguments for the post-April betters... but it is what it is.
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Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts or making these statements? Yes, BFL is moving his order to the front of the line. Having the first hashing device will provide quite a nice profit for him. My order was already at the front of the line. |
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It's true that the Little Single was not part of the original product lineup, and that I had to change one of my Single orders into two Little Singles (I have at least one of each product ordered for variety of testing), but this IMO is also a technicality and not really relevant. Actually, that "technicality" is entirely relevant -- this bet does not apply to the "Little Single" at all as it is not mentioned in the press release. The bet only concerns the 3 Butterfly Labs BitForce SC products announced in the press release. BFL could have shipped out 1000 of these "Little Singles" six months ago and still would have lost the bet. Well, I'll leave that up to the judge to decide, but I disagree. Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts or making these statements? I am making these statements of my own accord. BFL has not even suggested I make them, nor mentioned any bets to me other than Josh's seppuku thing. |
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Do I need to apologize to all the "BFL will ship" betters for not taking my device with me when I flew home? From my persepctive, claiming BFL has not shipped is clearly nitpicking a technicality.
Are "BFL won't ship" betters going to claim that I am to blame for accepting a device I was expecting to receive last year, after I had been waiting over 10 months for my order? This is absurd.
I do see that since my device was prior to the first batch, which has not shipped, it might be debatable. But on the other hand, it's certainly not a clear-cut result either, because the terms specifically said non-employee; considering that it was known in advance that third-party software developers would receive their units prior to the first batch, the specifying of non-employee IMO clearly includes myself or any of the other pre-batch 1 units that had been paid for.
Edit: Also note that Avalon also established a precedent for delivering non-mainstream units to meet deadlines.
It's true that the Little Single was not part of the original product lineup, and that I had to change one of my Single orders into two Little Singles (I have at least one of each product ordered for variety of testing), but this IMO is also a technicality and not really relevant.
The claim that my device is not what other customers will receive may be true - but I see it akin to the (very common) practice of other hardware manufs to revise boards without changing the model number. This is clearly a Little Single, even if most customers will be receiving a later revision of the Little Single.
To conclude, I think calling it a draw is within the perrogative of the judge, but I still believe pre-April is the honest winner.
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Trying to get any miner working. Compiles fine but then cannot see GPU's....
$ bfgminer -n
[2013-04-02 09:14:04] CL Platform 0 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[2013-04-02 09:14:04] CL Platform 0 name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
[2013-04-02 09:14:04] CL Platform 0 version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (595.10)
[2013-04-02 09:14:04] Error -1: Getting Device IDs (num)
[2013-04-02 09:14:04] 0 GPU devices max detected
$ lspci | grep VGA
06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Barts XT [ATI Radeon HD 6800 Series]
0e:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Barts XT [ATI Radeon HD 6800 Series]
Any thoughts?
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Hello everyone,
As it is part of running a betting service, sometimes we have to make some decisions that will not please all of our users. This is certainly one of these cases. I agree that the bet description statements are barely satisfied but the bet is actually on "shipping" of a commercial product. To the best of our judgment the pictured device is still an internal development unit within the company premises, even if it is somehow "owned" by a non-employee. As far as I can see even BFL doesn't officially claim shipping. Under these circumstances we can not rule the statement as false. Our decision is currently not final and we will be listening your input for a few days before the final decision. Feel free to raise your opinion.
Please note that I have physically handled my unit, and BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being. As I understand it, BFL's "shipping" refers to their Batch 1 which has special shipping constraints. The plan to provide units to developers in advance, including the ones I paid for such as this Little Single, has been there all along, so it would be unreasonable IMO to exclude it from the bet. I believe you should be able to verify that I have no stake in the bet (unless it's semi-anonymous or something); I have no objections if you wish to disclose that. |
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I have one quick question about config.py.
Does TrackerAddr have to be set to a wallet address in bitcoind or can I set it to any address to receive the rewards?
I'd hate to lose rewards.
Any version 0 address (ie, no P2SH yet). |
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For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number. There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info. Then where are the posted photos taken by yourself at your delivery location? Re-posting photos of devices at the factory doesn't count. Why not? I'll update my forum avatar at some point, but don't feel like cleaning up my desk right now. Another thing that bugs me is that Luke was put into service by BFL a while back so he could work on their product. During this time he stayed in a hotel. If the money for the hotel was payed out of BFLs pocket i see this as a compensation for his involvement with the product and that would make him a BFL employee by my definition. Your definition is irrelevant. An employee means "one employed by another usually for wages or salary and in a position below the executive level" in English. The legal definition is more specific, and makes it completely clear that I am not an employee. Yeah, and i use this definition: 'An "employee" is defined as "a preference eligible in the excepted service who has completed 1 year of current continuous service in the same or similar positions" or " an individual in the excepted service (other than a preference eligible) . . . who is not serving a probationary or trial period under an initial appointment pending conversion to the competitive service." Ramos v. Merit Sys. Prot. Bd., 2009 U.S. App. LEXIS 24378 (Fed. Cir. Nov. 6, 2009) ' ( http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/employee/) So if your expenses were payed in exchange for specific work done at the request of BFL and you were not a temp at BFL you could be seen as an employee. But actually more likely as a contractor. In any case, by your definition i'd say you were an employee as well because you were employed to do some work for BFL in exchange for a financial compensation and your position was lower than executive level. "Excepted service" in all definitions I can find refers to a class of people working for the federal government. "An employer has the right to control an employee. It is important to determine whether the company had the right to direct and control the workers not only as to the results desired, but also as to the details, manner and means by which the results were accomplished. If the company had the right to supervise and control such details of the work peformed, and the manner and means by which the results were to be accomplished, an employer-employee relationship would be indicated. On the other hand, the absence of supervision and control by the company would support a finding that the workers were independent contractors and not employees. Whether or not such control was exercised is not the determining factor, it is the right to control which is key." This makes it clear I am not an employee. |
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If you want to operate a public pool and do not know linux... then my arguments, well... just please don't.
i can understand your frustration with those of us who don't have the experience with linux that you do. but my feeling is that you should be encouraging and helping those of us who are willing to mine solo and don't mind the variance. IMO, mining is becoming too centralized at pools and anyone who can distribute that power away from the pools helps the community at large. my personal goal is to always be able to be a full node and mine solo if possible as i think it's more healthy for the network long term. if it turns out i can't do this b/c i can't get sufficient help then so be it. Well, the real reason you can't solo mine is because you're using a fork of cgminer on Avalon. Encourage the Avalon team to switch to BFGMiner so you can get GBT support that both works and supports solo mining  Then you won't need to setup a pool at all. is it possible to run two avalons (threads) with a single instance of bfgminer currently? what i mean -S/dev/ttyUSB0 -S/dev/ttyUSB1 assuming that both tty's are avalons? Yes, just be sure you have an Avalon-enabled build. The default for all other platforms does not have it enabled at the moment. |
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For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number. There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info. Also "The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate." Which product was your order for Luke? A Single or a Little Single? This is my Little Single. I guess luke has a bet and is being desperate? I am not a party to any bets. (although I probably would be if I knew whether it was legal in Kansas) Another thing that bugs me is that Luke was put into service by BFL a while back so he could work on their product. During this time he stayed in a hotel. If the money for the hotel was payed out of BFLs pocket i see this as a compensation for his involvement with the product and that would make him a BFL employee by my definition. Your definition is irrelevant. An employee means "one employed by another usually for wages or salary and in a position below the executive level" in English. The legal definition is more specific, and makes it completely clear that I am not an employee. |
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Ironically, you posted this right after I received my BitForce SC
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As of yesterday, I have my first ASIC:   |
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Have a new build of BFGminer to test? Not yet. Due to time constraints, I will probably only be releasing 3.0.0 for Avalon as a package, and try to figure out instructions for Avalon users to install it to the ramdisk. Ckolivas is going to develop remotely on my units next week. Hopefully the issue is close to being fixed. Last I heard, he admitted to intentionally making GBT support in cgminer defective, so I kinda doubt that. Unless he's changed his mind recently, I know solo mining support had never been on his planned features list. |
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If you want to operate a public pool and do not know linux... then my arguments, well... just please don't.
i can understand your frustration with those of us who don't have the experience with linux that you do. but my feeling is that you should be encouraging and helping those of us who are willing to mine solo and don't mind the variance. IMO, mining is becoming too centralized at pools and anyone who can distribute that power away from the pools helps the community at large. my personal goal is to always be able to be a full node and mine solo if possible as i think it's more healthy for the network long term. if it turns out i can't do this b/c i can't get sufficient help then so be it. Well, the real reason you can't solo mine is because you're using a fork of cgminer on Avalon. Encourage the Avalon team to switch to BFGMiner so you can get GBT support that both works and supports solo mining Then you won't need to setup a pool at all. that sounds like a reasonable suggestion. but then how did Garzik solo mine with his cgminer fork and eloipool? My point is that setting up Eloipool is a workaround to the problem of being unable to solo mine directly. |
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If you want to operate a public pool and do not know linux... then my arguments, well... just please don't.
i can understand your frustration with those of us who don't have the experience with linux that you do. but my feeling is that you should be encouraging and helping those of us who are willing to mine solo and don't mind the variance. IMO, mining is becoming too centralized at pools and anyone who can distribute that power away from the pools helps the community at large. my personal goal is to always be able to be a full node and mine solo if possible as i think it's more healthy for the network long term. if it turns out i can't do this b/c i can't get sufficient help then so be it. Well, the real reason you can't solo mine is because you're using a fork of cgminer on Avalon. Encourage the Avalon team to switch to BFGMiner so you can get GBT support that both works and supports solo mining Then you won't need to setup a pool at all. |
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2013-03-31 14:26:19,779 jsonrpc_getwork WARNING Error importing 'midstate' module; work will not provide midstates This is only a problem for DiabloMiner, since it still needs the long-deprecated midstate key. >>> 2013-03-31 14:26:19,788 sharelogging ERROR Error setting up share logger sql: (<class 'ImportError'>, ImportError('No module named psycopg2',), <traceback object at 0x15beab8>) PostgreSQL share logging requires the psycopg2 module. TypeError: _stratum_mining_subscribe() takes exactly 1 positional argument (2 given) Eloipool master does not (yet) support stratum resuming. You can ignore this. |
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