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2281  Economy / Speculation / Re: The 0.11 BTC bot on: February 09, 2013, 10:09:04 PM
There are tons of example code on how to make a http server in node or how to select data from a database table.

Do you happen to have a link at hand?  As an experienced user, you would probably save me a boatload of time in navigating to the relevant stuff.
2282  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 09, 2013, 09:30:56 PM
I am actually thinking of taking a little bit of profit here or somewhat further down the road (around $25), but the mtgoxEUR price is still where it was 8 hours ago....  Sad
2283  Economy / Speculation / Re: The 0.11 BTC bot on: February 09, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
I am actually somewhat intrigued to build a bot of my own, but I have to admit my programming knowledge is extremely limited (I have dabbled a bit with java and C++, but I never really got much further than the "hello world" examples because I didn't realy have a project or a use for it).
Does anybody here have any experience in making a bot?  Is it very complicated to create one, or are there "templates" or examples to start from?  A nudge in the right direction would be appreciated (or a warning if it is very foolish to engage in this for an inexperienced user).

I suggest you be not afraid and dive in. Coding is fun. However I also suggest you don't give your bot access to too much money.

It's probably a good idea to build a kind of simulation sandbox first (simulated mtgox server running historic trades), so you can test your bot in a sandbox.

Yes, I was thinking about removing most of my funds from the exchange on beforehand.   Simulation sandbox seems like a wise idea, although I currently have no idea how to start with it.  I guess I'll get a clearer picture when I learn a bit more about it.
2284  Economy / Speculation / Re: The 0.11 BTC bot on: February 09, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
I am actually somewhat intrigued to build a bot of my own, but I have to admit my programming knowledge is extremely limited (I have dabbled a bit with java and C++, but I never really got much further than the "hello world" examples because I didn't realy have a project or a use for it).
Does anybody here have any experience in making a bot?  Is it very complicated to create one, or are there "templates" or examples to start from?  A nudge in the right direction would be appreciated (or a warning if it is very foolish to engage in this for an inexperienced user).

https://github.com/chrisacheson/liquidbot

Tx, I'll look into it.
2285  Economy / Economics / Re: Higher price. More people should sell. on: February 09, 2013, 09:00:57 PM
Giffen good, which was also mentioned here, is completely different. It has nothing to do with a virtuous cycle between price and demand, it's just a rising demand for inferior product despite rising prices because a preferred alternative becomes prohibitively expensive. Since there is no "better alternative" to Bitcoin, this obviously does not apply to our situation.

Oh ok, I didn't know they had to be inferior.  I read an article in which they said gold was a Giffen good, which turns out to be a wrong use for the term then.  Guess you learn something new every day...
2286  Economy / Speculation / Re: The 0.11 BTC bot on: February 09, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
I am actually somewhat intrigued to build a bot of my own, but I have to admit my programming knowledge is extremely limited (I have dabbled a bit with java and C++, but I never really got much further than the "hello world" examples because I didn't realy have a project or a use for it).
Does anybody here have any experience in making a bot?  Is it very complicated to create one, or are there "templates" or examples to start from?  A nudge in the right direction would be appreciated (or a warning if it is very foolish to engage in this for an inexperienced user).
2287  Economy / Speculation / Re: Angry, Festering RSI on: February 09, 2013, 06:55:38 PM

How much good would 'popping the zit' have done you in June, July or December?
But I agree that we could have a decent correction here.
2288  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 09, 2013, 06:52:57 PM


I must admit I was drooling over this picture.  I mean, those must be silver beads right?
2289  Economy / Economics / Re: Higher price. More people should sell. on: February 09, 2013, 06:46:32 PM
That would be incorrect. I haven't heard of anyone buying BTC for status yet. If you think BTC will be worth more tomorrow it makes sense to buy it now.

Yeah, I think you might mean Giffen Good instead, in that a higher BTC price shows greater adoption, making it more attractive.
2290  Economy / Economics / Re: "5 Reasons Not to Buy Gold" - study by the Natl. Bureau of Econ. Research on: February 09, 2013, 06:40:58 PM
What you have to realise is as well that China isn't going to collapse either unless it lets the U.S and Europe drag it down, I suspect many western countries will end up like Greece is now, just about any other country that has a surplus and hasn't been doing phony practices which is what this is all really about will be fine.

It won't?  China has a symbiotic relationship with the west.  It depends on the US and Europe to purchase its exports.  If the US and Europe collapse, how exactly does China "not get dragged down" with everyone else?

As for Greece, it is rather insignificant in terms of the world economy.  The only reason Greece gets a lot of attention is because if Greece fails, people are worried that much bigger economies (like Italy or Spain) may follow.  In other words, systemic collapse.  A collapse of the two largest economies in the world (the US and the European Union) would not leave anyone "fine."  

China is perfectly capable of consuming the goods it produces and it has other countries to trade with besides US and Europe, the idea that China 'depends' on the US and Europe is neo-keynesian bullshit propaganda fed to us at an early age through state schools. China would actually be better off if it cut us loose because they are actually the ones holding our countries together with their surplus, how do you think we keep borrowing so much beyond what we can actually pay back?

We don't trade anything with them for the most part except worthless paper, let alone goods that are actually worth anything so how the hell are they dependent on us for anything? You should check out Peter Schiffs island economy story because it does an excellent job of explaining this kind of thinking in a correct way, no country actually 'needs' another country to consume its goods, especially when they're giving it away in return for nothing. It's not just China who are being scammed like this as well, it's Germany too as well as other places like India and Brazil that have raw resources, manufacturing etc.

Edit: Actually here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlWpGm9POwQ

This makes absolutely no sense.  So what you're saying is China doesn't need the US and only receives worthless paper.  If that's the case then why would they continue to trade?  Yes, China is the largest foreign holder of US debt but they continue to purchase it because they need to continue their (unsustainable) growth rate.  You can't simply take out the US and the European Union, which individually are double the GDP of China, and think everything will be hunky dory.

Why do you think Germany is still in the Euro and continues to bail out countries like Greece?  Germany is hardly known for their charitable nature.  The reason is if they left the Euro and returned to the Deutsche Mark they would be screwed.  Why?  Because like China they're a heavy exporter and the strongest of the European union.  If they left, the Euro would rapidly devalue (as countries default on sovereign debt) and the Deutsche Mark would take off like a rocket.  Being a heavy exporter, this would cause a great amount of damage to their economy. 

Every country is doing what they're doing because it's in their best interest.  China isn't buying worthless paper because they love America.  Germany isn't saving Greece because they want a unified Europe.  No, they're doing it because it's economics 101 and if they don't, they go down with the ship too. 

In the short run their economy would need to undergo a dramatic structuring yes, but longer-term, I think Lethn is correct.

Why do the Chinese and Germans continu with it then? 
My guess: because clinging on to the believe that everything will work out is very human.
Because cutting your losses and telling your people that a lot of the wealth they think they had was an illusion is political suicide.
Because kicking the can down the road is the "responsible" thing to do nowadays.
2291  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the 'Currency Wars': Venezuela formally devalues the Bolivar by 32% on: February 09, 2013, 06:31:50 PM
Paycheck should go up as well (not instantly of course).
People with net positive position in currency will lose, people with debt will profit from the devaluation.
I am ignoring any effect this has on the economy for simplicity's sake.

if you live in America, the only paychecks that have gone up are for those in the banking industry.  record bonuses over the last 4 yrs.  too bad everyone else's paychecks have gone down.

Ok, but because of a worsening economy, paychecks would probably have gone down nominally (and/or more unemployment in the short run) without money printing.

i think you've been hoodwinked into buying this progaganda.

no doubt a recession/depression would be a downer for a couple of years but then we'd come out of it.  look at the recession of 1921 when the Fed did not intervene.  getting rid of the big banks wouldn't hurt the economy in the long run at all i say.  right now, they are just a bunch of parasites on the rest of us real wealth producers but that game is running out.

what do they say when you suspect there are shenanigans going on?  "look where the money goes".  and right now there is an enormous tax applied to the non financial sector to prop up the large financial bonuses of the bankers.  there is SO MUCH evidence to support this.  it's everywhere you look.  they don't even bother to hide it any more otherwise we could call them liars everyday.

back in 2009 there was alot of honest money, including mine, waiting on the sidelines to scoop up these bad assets at fair market value.  the Fed prevented that from happening.  we had a good chance to clear the markets, get rid of the dredge, and move those assets into more efficient, more honest hands.   instead, Bernanke/Obama saddles America with a doubling of the national debt in just 4 yrs, an explosion of the Feds balance sheet from $800B to >$3T now.  we abandon Federal budget accounting and we decide to mark to myth debt assets.  we abandon the rule of law and no one gets punished for wiping trillions of wealth of average ppls balance sheets.  this is unprecedented.  most of the house buying that has happened since has gone into the hands of banks and hedge funds, not working households.  just how sustainable and long lasting is that?  answer:  its not.  they either dump at the first profitable benchmark they set or they are forced to dump in an escalating downward spiral which in the end means that those bad loans will get dumped onto the taxpayer once again.

how do i know that this is non-sustaining?  look at Europe.  eventually the debt payments catch up to the ability to service that debt.  if incomes across America were going up across the board at the same rate, we'd have a chance.  if the average American were allowed to go to the Fed discount window and borrow at 0%, you'd have a point.  if the average American were allowed to dump their bad mortgages onto the backs of the collective taxpayers like the banks do, then i'd say ok.  but that's not how the system works.  this is WHY you see income disparity levels never seen since 1929 just before the Great Depression.

the debt NEVER disappears and the debasing NEVER stops.  that's the problem.

Haha Cypher, do you think I would be on this bitcoin forum if I had been hoodwinked into thinking money-printing is good?

I was merely talking about short-term consequences, not long-term effects.
I absolutely agree with your post.  For sure the big banks are getting an unfair advantage nowadays.  0% borrowing and bailouts with taxpayer money and all the while getting big bonusses is f*cked up morally and only hurts the economy long-term.

I was merely pointing out that in a stable economy, paychecks should roughly follow the overall inflation or deflation rate.  (which is a simplification of course, given that they won't catch up immediately, and very long-term you have other effects such as automatization / productivity gains etc. going on). 
2292  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 09, 2013, 04:01:14 PM
FFS, where is all this money coming from?

Printing press?

 Cheesy  so true
2293  Economy / Economics / Re: inflation (Kondratieff Winter) on: February 09, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
Socialism/communism is much more corrosive than just the negative effect any single ruling party can have. As a mindset, it imbibes at least half the population, sometimes as many as 90%, with an entitled culture whereby they spend most of their lives looking over the fence jealously envying what someone else has and thinking somehow that their birthright has been stolen from them. The net effect is it tears the fabric of society apart as individuals turn/work against each other, instead for themselves albeit in total in the same direction.

OMG You are so mean!!!  GRow a HEart!!11

Oh shut up...  You are portraying me like a sobby schoolgirl and putting words in my mouth. Where did I 'demand that degeneracy be indulged' or 'believe that actions don't have consequences' ?  I only reacted because you sounded like a fucking extremist that was getting off on people living in miserable conditions.  
2294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the 'Currency Wars': Venezuela formally devalues the Bolivar by 32% on: February 09, 2013, 01:58:02 PM
Paycheck should go up as well (not instantly of course).
People with net positive position in currency will lose, people with debt will profit from the devaluation.
I am ignoring any effect this has on the economy for simplicity's sake.

if you live in America, the only paychecks that have gone up are for those in the banking industry.  record bonuses over the last 4 yrs.  too bad everyone else's paychecks have gone down.

Ok, but because of a worsening economy, paychecks would probably have gone down nominally (and/or more unemployment in the short run) without money printing.
2295  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the 'Currency Wars': Venezuela formally devalues the Bolivar by 32% on: February 09, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Currency de-valuation means de-valued relative to other currencies. It doesn't affect people who deal only in that currency beyond the price of imports going up.

I would guess the effects of import prices and export volume are not neglible for most economies nowadays.
2296  Economy / Speculation / Re: so... how long till we pass the old high of 32? on: February 09, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
ASICs are still a pie in the sky dream for the most part, however at any moment with the demonstrated existence of them, someone could rock/fork the network, before/if the first units arrive in anyone elses hands. Same thing historically could have happened with whomever it was who produced the software to mine on GPUs.

Avalon has already shipped first working ASIC units.  They are mining as we speak.
2297  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 09, 2013, 01:30:26 PM
... I'm just mentally preparing for the whole project to get set back another couple years.
I'm sorry Proudhon but I seem to have got into the habit when I read your posts of hearing them in Marvin's voice from the BBC's Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy!


Very close.  I sound like this, though.



Haha, I love Eeyore !  He is such a nice character despite his gloominess.
2298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the 'Currency Wars': Venezuela formally devalues the Bolivar by 32% on: February 09, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Paycheck should go up as well (not instantly of course).
People with net positive position in currency will lose, people with debt will profit from the devaluation.
I am ignoring any effect this has on the economy for simplicity's sake.
2299  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Wow! I just paid my apartment rent with bitcoins! on: February 08, 2013, 11:48:10 PM
Ok, so I checked a little more on bitcoin-24.com and it seems that although they got hacked this winter and lost some coins, they repaid their customers, which is an honorable thing to do.
My apologies to Candoo and the bitcoin-24 people for false accusations.
2300  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin Singularity is Near on: February 08, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
Anyone else think this is the new "I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen." thread?
Don't get me wrong, I am very bullish on bitcoin, and haven't sold any yet in the current rally, but tell me how this https://blockchain.info/charts/market-cap?timespan=1year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= is not already an exponential rise? 
This makes my 'sell' finger itchy...
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