I have two Antminer S1's ordered awhile back running and mining on Comcast. I just got two more at another location with Uverse. The Antminers can be accessed at their ip addresses, but will not mine. Default gateway 192.168.1.254
Any ideas, I tried many things to no avail. Hard wired ethernet and can browse from that connection from a laptop. Two working units have same configuration on Comcast, except for different ip's.
Any ideas?
Thanks
why is your gateway 192.168.1.254? About 70% of modems use 192.168.1.1 |
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+1. all i see is relatively small hashrate with some crazy variance going on - looks like vardiff>1024 using <500GH That is what you should see, this is our first prototype board off of the line. We are building more. still not an answer. I could certainly adjust one of my antminer to run at 1024 difficulty and point it at eligius - the graph would look almost the same but average around 190GH rather than ~460GH like yours. I could add my 260GH bitfury though (also setting difficulty >1000) and get hashrate and variance like yours. 1) whats the chip - actm 28nm or something like the coincraft A1? 2) why will you not share a single picture? One picture of a board with chip(s?) on it would satisfy much of my concern. pointing your finger towards two different pools with less than 1TH of combined hashrate is meaningless - its known that you already had >730Gh of avalon equipment (300Gh of which is missing from btcguild?) |
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Bitmain has been consistent, in good ways. I bought a few antminers since Dec'2013 and they have been nothing but amazing. From my ordering to receiving it in southern Calif, 4 freaking days. I don't know of any other company doing it. Lets just wait and give them some room to work, ok?
Well, nothing yet... ;-/ its like ~5am in china. Theyve been at home for the last 38hrs celebrating whats called a 'weekend' and not doing business-related stuff. give them at least 12 hours to go to work, check emails, ship things, THEN mark your order status correctly |
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Now create another account and put the old miners on it so we can see the two side by side, proving that you're not just using the old miners. Here you go idiot:  Ken please bend over backwards, touch your toes, do 5 jumping jacks and run 12 laps around the VMC office. Thanks! moving the miners to eligius is not the chore you make it seem. it is quick and could be done either on the same user account with a different worker, or a different account altogether (not necessary) also, ken said in the past he operates ~737GH of avalon gear. its odd that only 430GH is at btc guild right now - but nonetheless meaningless without anything to further explain a relatively small amount of hashrate that could reasily consist of 3 antminers or less |
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+1. all i see is relatively small hashrate with some crazy variance going on - looks like vardiff>1024 using <500GH
Seeing as you are a fairly knowledgeable hobby miner, would a retail ready machine hash with such volatility? Do you think it's plausible that the variance in the hashrate is due to this being a "demo board" with some kinks yet to be worked out? This seems like a very reasonable excuse for Ken not to be providing chip specs for the time being until everything is fine tuned and stable. Ken, if this is the case (or something similar) please just let us know. Some transparency on this issue would go a long way for most of us. looking at the stats, it could be a dev board - it looks like hashrate made a shift from 460->490 GH after a few hours. the weird variance looks like the miner is doing high-difficulty submissions rather than kinks or other issues unless the miner is creating massive (up to 10%) error rates to cause such a spread in hashrate peaks/dips. either way - the device needs to submit shares at a lower difficulty in order to be a cleaner 15/30 minute chart. after a few hours the 3hr and 12hr averages will be pretty informative though |
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+1. all i see is relatively small hashrate with some crazy variance going on - looks like vardiff>1024 using <500GH |
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You should be able to balance the AC between the office and warehouse using automatic dampers. That might require a bit of HVAC contractor work, but the cost should be reasonable.
not a bad idea! I was thinking of somehow obstructing the vents slightly if it couldnt be done manually with the vents. But installing some dampers might not be a bad idea, assuming it would allow an extra 5kW+ addition to the mining farm to justify it |
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I have to agree; I was thinking we might have a few sets of 10% increases, but it looks like another 20% coming, and more on the way.
Not sure where all this power is coming from. I guess it could be antminers. Whatever the case, I'm looking at turning my 65nm equipment to "max efficiency" mode by June and probably shutting them down by August.
Side thought: If transactions don't pick up then bitcoin is going to have a problem. With more Tx fees, the difficulty problem would be somewhat mitigated. Doesn't seem to be happening.
those 1TH dragon miners - china does something well and thats mass-production. those things are just starting to flood the market |
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Where did you build it that the rent is $300?
its a small space that is unused in a friends small business. I just pay a little bit of 'rent' and covcer the power costs of what i am using. In the bigger picture, its a testbed where I can scale to 15-20kW before moving to a much larger space Is this the current collective site? to an extent. the collective concept was more geared towards a facility with 20kW+ capacity and with bitcoin miners being more expensive (ie: fewer). This location has 18kW available to me, but I don't know whether the AC can handle that much added heat in a limited area, and I suspect that it may be difficult to go above 10-12Kw during the summer, and with 6kW in place by mid-april, it leaves much less space for hosting options until I move to a larger location or can actually use 18kW or more without heat limitations If it is a question of the small area, just get a big fan. That will help with hotspots anyway. Obviously if the AC in the entire space is at capacity you will still need to limit your power load. ^Thats my concern. Airflow is pretty good, it actually has a reasonable updraft through the grated flooring of cooler air from the storage area below. this blows through the miners into the rest of the area - so local exhaust is not an issue The concern is the 600V Air Conditioning system which is dispersed through the entire warehouse area and the office area. Its not known whether the AC will be capable of 1) Cooling the warehouse area with the miners without creating extremely cold conditions in the office area 2) cooling over 18kW of heat from the mining rigs. I know just how much heat comes from 6kW. since ive installed it the gas heater went from firing up 5min every 15min to 5 min every 30min. Its entirely conceivable that the maximum power i can use without disrupting the overall climate control will be 10-12kW during the heat of summer - but without finding out what the exact system setup/specs are (i doubt anyone in the business would now, since its part of a multi-business plaza) i may have to wait and see while building up the collection as i can. Unfortunately, there is no real ability for me to access the outside to install secondary cooling/ventilation paths from my location so the AC is probably the limit |
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So people want video to proof I have it -> done
People want eligius page to see if its real -> done
People want to see pictures -> done
People want me to seperate the 15 antminers on eligius -> done
People want to sell the miners when it's over -> done
Maybe people want the exact location and adress of the 15 antminers ? -> Maybe I should just leave the door open when I leave the house then.
I'm sorry I don't have time to sit here all day long on the forum and have 500 posts and then all of a sudden I need no proof at all because I am a Senior member and then I sell shares of something I don't even have yet but that only means I'm all day long on a forum posting "yes" "no" "cool" which I will not do.
I see you have some hosting you try to do yourself and you show picture of what 5 antminers on the s2 post? Stop bashing other projects because you have 500 posts doesn't mean anything.
that's not what i was trying to say or imply. Personally if I did hosting I would follow greaterNinja's method of a fixed payment per month (0.5BTC month 1, 0.3btc month 2, 0.1btc month 3, etc) so that the costs are paid on a basis of a monthly 'trust' rather than 100% up-front. I can tell you have miners - in fact its a great setup  I will have 15 units myself by the end of the week and its exciting to build up the farm Postcount does not make or break a reputation, but it does help distinguish newer users (or accounts) from those who have been using the same identitiy on a site for longer. my post here was just a suggestion of how to make the hosting service more transparent and help bring down the trust barrier associated with up-front payments |
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If you didnt pay at the time you reserved then he is not obligated to hold the price, only the machine. Bitcoin is always up and down and had he had the bitcoin at the time you reserved he could have paid the factory then. Why should he have to lose money because you were not prepared? He is simply taking orders and providing a service for a lot of people that want to take advantage of a great deal. You could still afford to do the hosted option with your amount of coins I am sure. So I am not sure why you want to try to make him seem bad for not accepting a smaller amount for the miner.
I simply understood that escrow service will "hold" my btc untill I plug the recieved miner in my house... so what's the diffrence if i payed on march 19th or today... honestly i don't want to anything look bad i just want to make a deal of this all if possible, or if pcfli wants to help me out to be exact... i would send him 0.1 btc each day till we get the price fixed ... peace... its priced in USD. thus if you pay with bitcoins, you will pay the converted amount at the immediate rate. not the rate a day ago because it would save you some bitcoins on your purchase. If btc price went up you would expect to pay at the new high rate to save btc right? |
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Hi,
I am thinking about buying an antminer s1.
How does it work exactly concerning the payment? Kraken.com charges 0.0005 xtc. Would I have to add them to the payment amount?
I'm asking because I don't want to delay the shipping because there might be 0.0005 xtc missing.
Thanks
thats a question for kraken.com, not bitmain. if in doubt, send 0.0005 extra |
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Just a point.. the average investor would kill to get their entire investment back in 1 year.. just saying.
With bitcoin mining, you either break even in a few months, or you never will. With "average" investments, you may have to wait longer, but eventually you'll break even. ^that is not at all true. 6 months ago it looked like antminers and anything drawing >1w/GH would be useless by now. however, it now looks like they have another 4-8 months of profitable lifespan ahead of them. additionally untrue is your second statement. not all investment vehicles break even. equipment can burn out or break, the market can change, or the value of your product can dive. There is never a guarenteed break-even. but bitcoin miners stand a good chance You can construct any fantasy you wish and justify it by examining a time frame where bitcoin exchange rates increased by a factor of 15. The reality Syke is explaining to you is that in the current environment a miner earns as much BTC in the first 60 days of operation as it will in the remaining life of the machine. If you don't break even in that time frame, odds are you will never see a reasonable risk adjusted return on the investment. And bitcoin is as likely to return to $20 / bitcoin as it is to revisit $1200. clearly there are miners who think otherwise in order to be buying all the current equipment to the point of batches being sold out. I am not talking about bitcoin going to $3000 or $7000. Im talking about bitcoin rebounding to $700 which I think is a totally fair value to use in my calculations, and with difficulty starting to taper a bit (we were doing 30% jumps back in november) towards 15%/jump average over the last month, I see a window to make a 10-20% gain per machine by the late 2014 (breakeven around july/august, 120% by november) and with a $10,000 investment that is a pretty good outcome. bigger picture - im bullish. I think we are right near the bottom of the charts right now (might push to $525 at the lowest) and that a rebound to $650 will happen in the next 14 days, and sometime around may/june we could rally back past $1000. if this happens the bitcoins invested/mined will be worth even more than the power costs. ^yes, that last statement is speculation. But if it comes true, my 20% gains will be much closer to 30-40% gains. Not bad for a 6-10 month investment |
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In order to grow from 4.9Th to 8.5Th you would have to go from 24 antminers to 45 units if all run at ~200GH overclocked.
If underclocking to ~150GH, you are looking at 57 miners.
that means paying >32 BTC in order to add 3.6TH (or 12BTC/TH)
I need 57 miners to reach the 8.5 Th/s , as underclocked. I already hold 24 miners, so I need 33 pcs more. Which you agree on this. 33 pcs , as underclocked will hash approximately at 5 Th/s ( 33 x 150 = 4,950 Gh/s). 33 pcs normaly cost 33x0.938 = 31 BTC. So, 31BTC / 5 Th/s = 6.2BTC per Th/s. Which is lower than any preorder S2 (6.37BTC PREORDER CLOSED) You have 4 potential mining setups being discussed: 1) 24 OC units running 4.9TH/s @ ~9.9kW (200GH/s + 410W each) 2) 45 OC units running 9.0TH/s @ ~18.5kW (200GH/s + 410W each) 3) 57 UV units running 8.0TH/s @ ~9.5kW ( 140Gh/s + 166W each) 4) 24 OC + 33UV gets 9.4TH/s @ ~15.3kW (200GH/s + 410W for the OC, and 140GH/s + 166W for the UV) I think he's talking about moving from setup 1) to setup 3), which would increase your hashrate, keep you at your same power, and cost you 31 BTC. You're talking above moving from setup 1) to setup 4). Yes, 33 UV Ants would get you ~5TH/s, but you're not looking at the loss of hashrate that you'd be getting from undervolting the other 24 units. Moving the original 24 Ants from 200 to 140 loses you ~1440GH/s, while you'd be gaining ~4950GH/s, netting an increase of ~3.5TH/s. Think of it this way: You have 5 Ants that are running 200GH/s @ 410W. You're getting exactly 1TH/s @ 2050W. If you were to add 2 Ants, and undervolt all 7 of them to 140GH/s @ 166W, you're looking at a combined 980GH/s @ 1160W. You paid 1.88 BTC (not including coupons/discounts) to stay at the same hashrate, and drop your power consumption. At current Coinbase, that 1.88 BTC = ~$1050 USD. Moving from 2050W to 1160 saves you 890W, which at $0.14/kW, is ~$90 USD/month. You're paying $1050 up front to save $90/month. Might not be worth it. This same calculation is the same whether you're buying all your Ants now, or buying some ants to compensate for undervolting your existing farm. If you're looking at buying now, and you have to choose between 5 and 7, you're still ordering 2 extra units to save power. The only scenario this is beneficial is either A) You're running into massive temp issues, and cant seem to get these things cool, and they're constantly being cooked and destroying themselves (aka you live in a desert), or B) you're up against a power limit, and this is the only way to increase your hashrate. I think Tzortz fits into this category, so it might not be an entirely bad idea. thanks for going into depth - i guess my brief post originally was not clear enough. As mentioned, you are looking at a lot more actual miners to setup and maintain in order to recoup whatever power savings over a period of about 10 months. IMO, you are better off running what you can right now, and trying to sell off the antminers for top dollar (you can probably fetch 1-1.5BTC each) and re-investing into dedicated 1TH/<1kW devices. as it stands 7 miners undervolted = 980GH/1160W for ~6.6BTC 1TH/1kW miner = $3500-4000 (about 6.6BTC at current prices - I assume the cash prices will drop soon to accomodate the lower BTC rate) you would still be drawing less power, and fewer units overall. However, if power is your limiting factor you should look into opportunities to operate miners in other locations. underclocking is throwing away profits right now. (In a month or two it would make more sense of course) |
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I am following closely, but waiting for better prices. At $45 for the board, $12 for the cables, and $10-15 for the power supply (usually 1 in 3 is a dud from the recycling place) I am looking at about $75 plus shipping delays for a 750W 80+ silver equivelent supply (I could say gold, but when they are already used for years its likely they no longer reach the initial efficiency spec)
$75/750W isnt bad - but I can buy a 750W GOLD ATX supply for $110 that is purchased locally and comes with a warranty and is "safer" (i use quotes).
Hoping for DPS-800GB version soon - ive had really bad luck with these supplies not handling conversion well (either something i am doing, or simply a high rate of DOA) and a plug-play board would make testing them a lot more streamlined. Do they need a load to register 12V? A couple of mine will switch on but only provide 12V for a split second before dropping to 0.16V
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Just a point.. the average investor would kill to get their entire investment back in 1 year.. just saying.
With bitcoin mining, you either break even in a few months, or you never will. With "average" investments, you may have to wait longer, but eventually you'll break even. ^that is not at all true. 6 months ago it looked like antminers and anything drawing >1w/GH would be useless by now. however, it now looks like they have another 4-8 months of profitable lifespan ahead of them. additionally untrue is your second statement. not all investment vehicles break even. equipment can burn out or break, the market can change, or the value of your product can dive. There is never a guarenteed break-even. but bitcoin miners stand a good chance |
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bitmain is usually great with orders/emails. give them a few business days - often the first you hear about shipping info will be when its already left china they get you a tracking #
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Where did you build it that the rent is $300?
its a small space that is unused in a friends small business. I just pay a little bit of 'rent' and covcer the power costs of what i am using. In the bigger picture, its a testbed where I can scale to 15-20kW before moving to a much larger space Is this the current collective site? to an extent. the collective concept was more geared towards a facility with 20kW+ capacity and with bitcoin miners being more expensive (ie: fewer). This location has 18kW available to me, but I don't know whether the AC can handle that much added heat in a limited area, and I suspect that it may be difficult to go above 10-12Kw during the summer, and with 6kW in place by mid-april, it leaves much less space for hosting options until I move to a larger location or can actually use 18kW or more without heat limitations |
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Someone said they wanted to see the back of our cabinets so here we go:  Cisco 48 port switch in the middle of the rack with cable management to the left and two 30 amp 208v single phase PDUs to the right. The PDUs are switched so we have them networked to be able to reboot any PSU from anywhere in the world. All network cabling is labeled and corresponds to the ant it goes to. very clean setup - especially marking all the patch cables since those can easily become difficult to trace back to the port/miner if in bundles. |
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basically all/most of the bitcoin mining is done in warehouses and is not in control of the people like most script coins are minus the scammers who = more than 1 gpu/person.
hahahahah what? I run 2.4TH in a warehouse - that makes me some sort of scammer or non-ally of bitcoin? By mid-april that number will be 4TH I use eligius - the pool is about 7% of the network which means consistent payout but also maintains the network by being fairly small. IMO no pool should go past 20% of the network, and i they do they should charge ludicrous fees to drive people away (oh wait, BTCguild does that and its still massive) p2pool is also a good idea, but i personally hvent given it a try yet |
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