perhaps the most unclear term here is "passive investment", rather "passive income" perhaps. I certainly wouldn't call bitcoin holdings "passive" whatever.
if someone buys a house for $100k and after a year sells it for $150k. is it a passive investment?
also, after that final click, maybe there is some fiat profit, but what about the further growth of bitcoin? and what if in a year you can no longer buy 1btc, but only 0.8btc? is it then a passive investment or a missed moment of conversion to fiat?
for something to be called passive income or investment, I think that some kind of profit would have to come periodically without affecting the initial investment. at least in theory.

Moj ti je savet da podjes od neke manje atraktivne kampanje, da ne ciljas odmah iskljucivo neku bolje placenu. Ako trenutno nisi dovoljno aktivan, menadzerima neces biti prvi izbor u vecoj konkurenciji. Ucesce u kampanji ce te povuci da budes aktivniji, pri tom mozda dodje i neki merit sto je sasvim drugaciji izgled prilikom selekcije u nekim buducim.
Takodje vise aktivnosti vodi ka podizanju forum ranka, full member bas nema mnogo ponuda.
Bounty sekciju mozes slobodno da zaboravis nema tu nista kvalitetno. Ako i bude neka kampanja placena u USDT ili nekoj realnoj valuti, uglavnom bude 400 ucesnika na fond od 300$, pa se u najboljem slucaju mozes nadati dolar ili dva zarade.

Can you share some traffic statistics from your site? Daily visits and country/demography for example.

Also, if you can explain the price structure?
I am not sure that I understand the header/footer places as far as I can see, you currently do not have such fields defined on the page.

the difference is when you buy a raw (bars) product or a final product that has additional value due to the way and quality of the final production. that is why an additional certificate is issued as a confirmation of the quality of the workmanship and the quality of the metal itself.
any jeweller can easily melt your bar and put his own serial number. I think I read somewhere on the forum that one user has prepared the equipment for this and occasionally buys precious metals and makes his own bars.

now I'm confused too. You offering $200 to get 500€?
Do you really understand what collateral is and its purpose?


it's not worth anything. and you are also aware of that, because you would surely have already sold them if you had any buyer for it.

you bought those domains (20days ago) without any idea what to do with them, you were only guided by the story of how someone sold something similar for 50-100k. I would advise you not to get carried away with easy money, and also don't expect a complete stranger to give you 500€.
also, you invested money lightly in buying a domain, without a plan of what to do with that investment, which only increases the risk that you will spend the borrowed 500e on wrong way. So advice is spend only what you have in your pocket.

OP, is there any update in your case?
In our communication over Twitter, they ask me for your User ID or ticket number to look into the details. will you share it so I can continue to press them?

you are right here because there are no evident elements of fraud. everything is the result exclusively of OP's mistake.
it's another matter if you really have access to that address, and whether you want to return that money, but even if you don't return the funds, it's not a scam.

if we were to assume that both of you are telling the truth, I would conclude that you are both victims of the same fraud. you ^ibuddy122505 should check your devices because it is evident that you installed a hacked or fake wallet application that gave you the wrong (hacker's) deposit address. if you really want to find out, try to repeat all the steps and see which deposit address you will get this time.
OP also, if it's true what ibuddy says, there is a high probability that you or your client are a victim of some malware or clipboard virus. here you can find one of the discussions on that topic
You can also check if you try to go through a repeat process, of course, this time without final sending.

it is certainly good advice for both of you to scan and check your computers and devices and take it as urgent. my advice is to start with a completely new operating system.

you don't need to ask for a donation here, it's just a question of goodwill, whether he wants to return that money or not.
definitely remember that everything is your fault.


@ibuddy122505 claims that he created that address only because of the campaign signature, but since he was not accepted into the campaign, he deleted the wallet. however, even after that, there are outgoing transactions from that address, which means that he still did not delete it. the probability that someone hacked his wallet is very small because there are still funds there. Hacked wallets are always completely cleaned immediately.

also, the claim that the address was created because of the campaign signature on Nov. 30. '22. It cannot be correct, because the address has the first transaction on "2022-06-16 17:40:45 (Local) 241 days 7 hrs ago".

Welcome to the club. did you do any research on them at all before making any deal?
If you check the trust page of their representative account on this forum, you will probably know about their fraud way of business
Also some of references:
http://archive.is/DjmMe
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.0

I don't have any optimism that something could happen here.
if you expect something in return from the community here, you would have to introduce yourself and state some direction where you think you are going and what your steps are.
also, you have to give at least some reasons why anyone would invest in a coin that has been abandoned for years. Are there any guarantees that it won't happen again when two people get bored of it or switch to another coin?
How can be Vivo considered decentralized when they depend on one (two in the best case) person?
Listing on two anonymous exchanges does not mean anything. scripts for such exchanges cost $100-$200 and apart from high risk, they bring nothing.

maybe I still have a backup of the Vivo wallet from the Masternode period somewhere, but I think it's a dead coin.

About your posting here, don't post several posts in a row, you need to merge all your things in one post. 

You did a great job, collected all these threads, and posted links... maybe in some cases that effort deserves merit, but in that case, they would only encourage others to periodically publish a collection of useful threads.

have you ever clicked on the "more" option? Try it https://bitcointalk.org/more.php you will see that there is already a sufficient collection of useful information about this forum

This is just news from supporters, as far as I've seen on discord, no one from the Vivo team is involved in these changes. how much can all this really be without the support of the devs?
I have not heard of the Stakecube exchange until now, although the links that are posted are very slow or do not load at all. I would not trust an exchange that has CoinZilla ads next to charts. Vivo is dead and there is no point in reviving it.

I am not a big fan of esports gaming, but as I occasionally visit Bitsler, I saw that it is quite current. They are certainly one of the reliable crypto casinos, you can see what it looks like with them.
note, they still don't have many country restrictions 

as far as I remember, initially, yahoo only noted that his address for potential donation was on his profile page. although maybe he posted it later in the discussion, I didn't recognize his thread as begging.
@hilariousandco Do I understand you correctly, that actually the critical point in donation threads, whether it is begging or not, is actually the existence of a donation address?

maybe it is necessary to completely ban any charity and donor actions or at least define it more precisely, and I agree with dkbit98, this yahoo case seems pretty selective.

For example, I saw the charity campaign [AUCTION LIST] Auction for ColdKey victims launched due to a scandalous theft to raise donations for victims of yogg's cold key scam.
They even run a signature campaign [OPEN] Charity Signature and Avatar Campaign - Auction for ColdKey victims to promote such action in helping to cover losses caused by fraud with donations.

what is the difference except that there have not yet published the address for receiving funds? can this be considered begging?

don't get me wrong, I understand their ^{all ColdKey victim's} pain due to the loss and I fully support that action, but compared to yahoo's health problems, it's a cat's cough.

what nonsense is this?
I have my BTC address on my profile page, am I doing something wrong?
if it's not a rule violation, it would be good to hear an explanation from mods of the exact reason for the request to remove the address.

With your permission, I will post this screenshot on their Twitter profile.
as if they deliberately set impossible conditions just to justify withholding funds.

Unfortunately, you can add one more fresh case of stealing money by Freewallet. account locking under the AML excuse has now become a common method.

freewallet.org stole my 3 years of working in 2023

Can you share a screenshot of the email where they ask for contract details (with the insane demand for the client's passport) for transactions from Binance even after you pass verification?

in the meantime, they answer on Twitter https://twitter.com/freewalletorg/status/1623933848924065792?s=20&t=y9Dku_PcewWecr7zG-tIAA


a purely uniform answer, they seem pretty uninterested in solving this problem.

you only need your phone number during registration (for that you can use those disposable fakes from the internet). after registration, you can completely remove the phone number and it will be completely invisible to everyone who contacts you.
It's fine if you want to get notifications from more devices and you don't want to be logged on to the forum on all of them.

I'm just looking at this notification bot now, maybe it's just a matter of habit, but this draft design is a bit difficult for me.

I asked them on Twitter about your case, and this is their first answer:


You can try to participate in discussion https://twitter.com/freewalletorg/status/1623685185744117760?s=20&t=ljPhtpUIYIAJgzkYAAkOyg