After this discussion I don't trust you. I do not like where you would take this currency if you had the chance. I think you are an enemy.
If some day, by some "unfortunate accident" you become main developer, i will vote for creating a fork without you. Good for you. Centralization on development is the biggest centralized aspect of Bitcoin right now. The more forks the better. Bitcoin is winning exactly because it is lbertarian. Exactly because its free of governments rules & social rules. Without it, it would be nothing. Bitcoin isn't winning yet. I'm not aware of any study, but I suspect most merchants who do adopt it, are doing so because of lower fees. SatoshiDice threatens the viability of those lower fees, thus threatens Bitcoin's chances of winning. |
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Even Satoshi himself has expressed his political views in the Bitcoin protocol The only implied view expressed there is opposition to inflation and/or fractional reserve banking. Most likely Satoshi held libertarian views, but that's still just his opinions - not Bitcoin itself. 95% of people (including me) wouldn't even be here of not for Bitcoin special properties making it immune to governments. What a coincidence that 95% of people here are trolls! Bitcoin can never achieve critical mass of adoption if non-libertarians are barred. |
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If you are enemy of Libertarianism, the you are an enemy of Bitcoin as well.
Because Bitcoin is all about libertarianism and crypto-anarchy ? No, Bitcoin is just a currency immune to inflation, and easy to use online. While most developers would probably prefer libertarianism, I don't think you will find any who support ignoring taxes/laws/regulations. I don't get it. How come you are even a Bitcoin developer with such views/outlooks ? Bitcoin is a perfect fit to enable a tonal currency in lieu of government adoption. I dislike inflation as much as the next person, of course. |
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The "realworld-reality", and "Internet-reality".
I wonder how didn't you notice that before. We are creating a new, better world here. A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured automatically using mathematic algorithms which are better than stupid social rules, because they cannot be broken easily.
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections. No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality. It isn't reality ? Then we can make it reality. Impossible is nothing. No thanks, as bad as the current governments are, what you propose is far worse. To be clear... what is that am I proposing, exactly ? "A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured" Isn't this kind of what Bitcoin was created for ? Isn't this kind of what Bitcoin market currently is ? Isn't this kind of what libertarianism is all about ? Doesn't that statement make you kind of an enemy of the whole Bitcoin concept (and libertarian spandpoint) by the way ? You are still with us, or against us, because now I don't exactly see your position clearly ? No, on the first two. Libertarismism is not anti-government, just minimal government. And Bitcoin is not the same thing as libertarianism. I will freely admit to being an enemy of libertarianism. The form of government that seems to work out best in practice is a monarchy. |
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The "realworld-reality", and "Internet-reality".
I wonder how didn't you notice that before. We are creating a new, better world here. A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured automatically using mathematic algorithms which are better than stupid social rules, because they cannot be broken easily.
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections. No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality. It isn't reality ? Then we can make it reality. Impossible is nothing. No thanks, as bad as the current governments are, what you propose is far worse. To be clear... what is that am I proposing, exactly ? "A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured" |
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The "realworld-reality", and "Internet-reality".
I wonder how didn't you notice that before. We are creating a new, better world here. A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured automatically using mathematic algorithms which are better than stupid social rules, because they cannot be broken easily.
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections. No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality. It isn't reality ? Then we can make it reality. Impossible is nothing. No thanks, as bad as the current governments are, what you propose is far worse. |
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The "realworld-reality", and "Internet-reality".
I wonder how didn't you notice that before. We are creating a new, better world here. A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured automatically using mathematic algorithms which are better than stupid social rules, because they cannot be broken easily.
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections. No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality. While completely robotic anti-spam would be nice, it's not something this era has managed to achieve. Completely robotic anti-spam is the only way out of this situation. Then Bitcoin is doomed to fail. SatoshiDICE is completely nothing compared to an evil, powerful & determined attacker having hundereds millions of dollars avaiable. On the contrary, that is exactly what SatoshiDice is. |
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When I go above version 2.10.5 with my singles I just get the following. Both the newer versions seem to do it, never had any issues upgrading before.
you need to install the windows USB drivers. read the FPGA-Readme.txt included in the cgminer folder. driver is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/when you grab the driver, note that XP uses a different driver than vista/7. Note that doing this will break all applications using the standard driver... IIRC that driver was specific for the usb controller chip in BFL singles. which nothing else I have uses, and I sure have my share of usb crap. so, who cares? PS as always, feel free to correct me if Im wrong. BFL doesn't have a special driver, it uses the standard FTDI driver installed automatically when you plug it in. |
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The city has decided that to prevent pissing in an alley, they will impose a $1 fee anytime someone goes into it. The goal is to stop pissing in the alley, and $1 was chosen as a price that wouldn't be too harmful to legitimate alley use. The cost of cleaning up piss in the alley is still at least $7.
Now a bar (DiceBar) opens up next door to the alley. Instead of operating a bathroom, they've decided it's cheaper for them to just add the $1 fee to all their customers' bills as a surcharge, and have customers go piss in the alley instead.
While a few customers leave in disgust at this policy, most of them are drunk (gambling addiction) and go piss in the alley, never giving it a second thought. There are a few who stand up for DiceBar - they say that since the bar is "paying" the fee, they have the right to use the alley as a bathroom.
This is wrong way of thinking. Your example is not adjusted to Bitcoin's reality and therefore irrelevant. Bitcoin network does not exist in the real world, where some social rules (like a fine for pissing in the alley) must be created to stop socially-unacceptable behavior. We are past that. The Bitcoin network was designed to cope exactly with people breaking social rules. Paraphrasing your example: In the Bitcoin world the valley is completely robotic & automatic so therefore no stupid laws are required to make it work. To fix the problem algorithms of the valley should be changed to automatically drive away people trying to piss in it ! Your delusions are not an alternative "Bitcoin's reality", no matter how "idealistic" you try to make them. There is only one reality, and Bitcoin is just another currency within it. Bitcoin was designed to cope with people breaking (some) rules by having other people filter it out. While completely robotic anti-spam would be nice, it's not something this era has managed to achieve. |
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I know the field is currently limited, but has anyone else tried to do some stupid shit like me and attempted to get a custom version of cgminer running on the avalon? I compiled a new version of cgminer without avalon support but with bitforce support (since the avalon version of cgminer is incompatible with other hardware). Everything compiles, but when run it I get "BFL0: invalid nonce - HW error" The post at https://forums.butterflylabs.com/fpga-single-minirig-support/266-bitforce-single-fails-2.html seems to point at some bad/incompatible usb issues. My avalon miner also tends to crash after I plug a bitforce into the usb hub. Have you tried the BFGMiner Avalon firmware? This should work with both Avalon and BitForce devices. |
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When I go above version 2.10.5 with my singles I just get the following. Both the newer versions seem to do it, never had any issues upgrading before.
you need to install the windows USB drivers. read the FPGA-Readme.txt included in the cgminer folder. driver is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/when you grab the driver, note that XP uses a different driver than vista/7. Note that doing this will break all applications using the standard driver... |
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To be fair, it is paid for by fees which are bigger than all other sources combined, and will get bigger because of the 0.5% change. Which means it is not spam, but a type of high-volume flow which, arguably, Bitcoin is not ready for.
The current fees are there to deter flooding, not to justify it. Even with fees, transactions are still being mostly subsidized by miners. To use gmaxwell's analogy... The city has decided that to prevent pissing in an alley, they will impose a $1 fee anytime someone goes into it. The goal is to stop pissing in the alley, and $1 was chosen as a price that wouldn't be too harmful to legitimate alley use. The cost of cleaning up piss in the alley is still at least $7. Now a bar (DiceBar) opens up next door to the alley. Instead of operating a bathroom, they've decided it's cheaper for them to just add the $1 fee to all their customers' bills as a surcharge, and have customers go piss in the alley instead. While a few customers leave in disgust at this policy, most of them are drunk (gambling addiction) and go piss in the alley, never giving it a second thought. There are a few who stand up for DiceBar - they say that since the bar is "paying" the fee, they have the right to use the alley as a bathroom. Any rational person can see how ridiculous this is. |
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Phinneaus, most of the listed points didn't applied to Avalon team. They were known of FPGAs which they delivered before.
Tom (bASIC) also had a successful FPGA product before he ventured into ASIC country And Tom also didn't scam. Despite his business failing, he's trying to refund everyone. Considering that when most businesses fail, the people they owe are basically just screwed... |
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What's ironic is that a similar list--ten times longer--applied to Avalon, yet they delivered.
There were ZERO doubts that avalon will deliver. The question was about BFL and BASIC one is gone already second question still remains  There have never been any legitimate doubts that BFL will deliver. A bunch of trolls shouting "scam" does not make it so. Luke, I respect you and your work. The only way to stop us trolling is to see a proof that something happaning in BFL camp and they to start to deliver. I will sent my apologies to BFL and who feels affected buy me. No irony here if that matters at all. Until then we will troll. I do not mean to offend you not only because you helped me once but because of your work and skills Please excuse me ... Just face the facts - pictures with fans, chips heat sinks are just pictures and nothing more this is the way most of us see things. Kano went there and show us air plains and buildings. Probably the initial idea was to get a prototype in order to develop cgminer. Even though he stayed longer than expected nothing came out of it. What does it mean? Shit happen again 100%. How big it is - we will never know. Yeah BFL has air plain PCb machine probably and so? just a few pictures came out of it for now. It just not making sense for me. I have sated many times that BFL is not a scam it is just a proxy that is all. It might become a sacam eventually when upstream fails. Let us hope that this will never happen not because of BFL but because of the dudes here who put their money and hopes in the company Ok, BFL is late - later than ever before. But there is no evidence they're a scam or won't deliver. From what I've seen of Josh's updates (and I haven't even seen all of them, I'm sure), we're getting all the information they have available (short of releasing trade secrets, which would be a ridiculous expectation). Also realize that the lesson BFL is being taught by all the trolling is that trolls will make trouble if they do release information too. |
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What's ironic is that a similar list--ten times longer--applied to Avalon, yet they delivered.
There were ZERO doubts that avalon will deliver. The question was about BFL and BASIC one is gone already second question still remains There have never been any legitimate doubts that BFL will deliver. A bunch of trolls shouting "scam" does not make it so. |
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i would rather have SDICE exploit this flaw now rather than somebody else with really bad intentions some time in the future. SD has clearly established, through their refusal to stop attacking Bitcoin, that their intentions are bad - or at the very least indistinguishable from what someone with bad intentions would do. misterbigg, thank you for raising awareness of the problem For the thousandth time: There is NO "problem". Just a bug in the software. No, there is no software bug. The bug is in the human component of the protocol. Satoshi was intelligent enough to recognize that no anti-spam software can ever be perfect or address future spamming techniques, so he designed the Bitcoin protocol to make use of humans to manage the job. The mistake was that he assumed that miners would always care about the long-term welfare of Bitcoin, and neglected to give them any real incentive to do so. As a result, the bigger miners - who apparently only care about their short-term profits - neglect and/or refuse to do their part in filtering out this garbage. The only bug here is in these humans - not the software. |
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Yes, let us focus on Satoshi Dice and make them change their ways so that we can ignore this "flaw". The flaw is miners neglecting their job to filter out spam. Do you have a solution to force miners to care about Bitcoin in the long-term? I'm all for better solutions, but so far I've not heard any. |
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How about a third option? Enlightened self interest  But seriously, I would look at whether the person needed it. If some corporation or rich did it, i'm not inclined to return it as I likely need it more than they do. If however it was just some dude who messed up, and actually needs the money, yeah I'd return it. The answer you're looking for is "keeping the coins". Your decision whether to make a charitable donation or not based on your evaluation of the sender, is unrelated. More aptly, I prefer to judge the person before deciding if it is my place to teach them or to help them. Say it was some vile organization such as Al Qaeda, catholic church, or Monsanto. I do not agree with their policies, in fact I would happily throw a monkey wrench in to their works, thus I would be quite happy to have found a large sum of money that they desired and I could withold. :3 Bad example, the Catholic Church is perfect. |
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How about a third option? Enlightened self interest But seriously, I would look at whether the person needed it. If some corporation or rich did it, i'm not inclined to return it as I likely need it more than they do. If however it was just some dude who messed up, and actually needs the money, yeah I'd return it. The answer you're looking for is "keeping the coins". Your decision whether to make a charitable donation or not based on your evaluation of the sender, is unrelated. |
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The poll is (almost) totally anonymous - no need to pretend. What would you do? Would your answer change in case of 0.9 or 9000 coins? If you returned the funds, would you expect a tip? Or would you take the tip upfront? Would you publicize your decision, whatever it may be?
I would expect a tip if it was troublesome to return. For example, we are discussing a "mistaken fee policy" for Eligius and I suggested that we have a 5 BTC recovery fee to deal with cleaning up the pool/reward/payout end of the equation (and a side effect of discouraging phony claims and neglegence). |
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