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2361  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-04-23 Bitcoin startup CoinLab lands funding from Tim Draper and others, aim on: April 24, 2012, 10:38:12 AM
some of the players are volunteered to do the mining job but some other refused. and some of vlounteered one mining at faster speed but someone else slower. If the game players are start to competing with each other, will they start to "buy" mining power from GPUmax?

These are games that charge for subscriptions and in-game currency already.  So this is just another option of how to buy them.  In addition to being able to buy using PayPal and other methods, they can now pay for purchases with bitcoin-powered credits through CoinLab.

If coinlab is upfront about the potential higher electricity bill that comes with it then this could actually work. I wasn't trying to dish this investment, I actually want it to succeed because I think it would grow Bitcoin but it was just that reading the article I got the feeling they weren't going to be upfront about the electricity costs and are going pretend that idle gpu resources is all a player needs to offer to get those credits which if it is the case is going to be a huge turnoff once discovered IMO. I could be wrong tho.
2362  Other / Off-topic / Re: Police need to find Atlas on: April 24, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
What's happening here, really?
2363  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why do people think mining is less risky than buying, anyway? on: April 24, 2012, 12:39:49 AM
The time to pay it off was 2 years. (account for block reward halving)

You do realize you don't need to pay your capital off before you can make a profit right? What you should be trying to figure out is how long it takes to mine so that selling your capital + mining profit = profit.
2364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Get EVE to accept BTC for subscriptions on: April 24, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
EVE is awesome... probably the coolest computer game ever created.

I wish they weren't so fking stubborn on how local works in 0.0 and a few other minor things that really make the game boring. Most of my time playing I spent in wh space where things are actually really interesting.
2365  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-04-23 Bitcoin startup CoinLab lands funding from Tim Draper and others, aim on: April 24, 2012, 12:31:40 AM
This is doomed to fail from the start:

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Under the plan, game makers will offer their users a chance to voluntarily install a program that makes their idle computing resources available for use by CoinLab, in exchange for in-game virtual goods and points.
CoinLab then plans to sell that spare computing time to the Bitcoin network, for use in Bitcoin “mining” — using computer processing to generate units of the virtual currency. The startup will pay game companies for the computing resources made available by their customers.

As soon as those who will volunteer their idle CPU resources get their first next bill for electricity they'll realize what is really going on and they'll stop volunteering. And that will be that.
2366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Get EVE to accept BTC for subscriptions on: April 24, 2012, 12:08:58 AM
From what I was able to gather while loosely following what's going on ingame it's actually not that rosy right now with prices of minerals skyrocketing. It's true I don't know what the reason behind it is and it could very well be the market pricing in changes in the upcoming expansion but it might also be due to ISK inflation due to changes from the last expansion. Regardless I'm convinced the players would be much better off if they were able to deal in a limited and scarce currency instead.
2367  Economy / Economics / Re: Current Bitcoin inflation rate = 35%. Price = stable on: April 23, 2012, 11:57:46 PM
Where can we get info on the number of Bitcoin nodes in use? That sounds like a great metric.

It's not really that great because it doesn't account for all the tens of thousands of online wallets secured by exchanges and ewallet service providers.
2368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: VP of Amex asked about Bitcoin - "No comment, next question" on: April 23, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
Aww. I wish I was at that conference. That'd be fun to troll. I'd ask them all if they've heard of MicroCash and tell them it's going to explode and take the world by storm! (sic)  Roll Eyes

I am trolling in a way. They are all dressed professionally and I have on a Bitcoin t-shirt. LOL

LOL n1 Cheesy
2369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Get EVE to accept BTC for subscriptions on: April 23, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
I already sent them an email to info@ccpgames.com which I was told to do after submitting a ticket.

Whether it got chucked straight into the bin or actually read and examined your guess is as good as mine.
2370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How are Virwox et al able to accept credit cards for Linden dollars? on: April 23, 2012, 03:19:39 PM
A better question is how are poker sites like pokerstars able to accept credit cards..
2371  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: April 23, 2012, 12:32:01 AM
Here two new graphs for now:

Estimated Blockchain size (Not including database indexes)

Thank you very much!

EDIT: Btw I have a question. Since you don't charge any fees for your My wallet service I was wondering how are you able to monetize your site in order to pay for it's costs? Are you planing to introduce fees later on? Maybe some other type of a payment plan?
2372  Economy / Economics / Re: Suppose you wanted to start a geographically localised bitcoin economy on: April 22, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
Even if you think the bank is unnecessary, is it possible that initial localised adoption might trigger increased localised bitcoin velocity and therefore inflation?

Just thinking.

Inflation != rising prices of goods sold for bitcoins
Inflation = increase in supply of bitcoins


Before you do any more thinking, you should recheck your foundation and make sure it's correct.


If prices actually rose it wouldn't be bad for the merchants because they wouldn't lose money by charging more bitcoins, they'd actually increase their purchasing power. Rising prices would be bad for their potential customers holding national and other currencies because suddenly they wouldn't be able to afford those goods anymore. But even this would get solved eventually as the merchants who now charge higher bitcoin prices and are increasing their bitcoin balance sheets can pay their employees more bitcoins who can then in return afford the higher prices again. Also eventually other merchants elsewhere would see the benefit of charging in bitcoins and would start to compete with that local economy which would drive the prices back down..

The key here is there is no one out there robbing these economies by creating more bitcoins out of thin air.
2373  Economy / Economics / Re: Any new methods for Debit/Credit card to BTC? on: April 22, 2012, 01:45:54 PM
I found this: http://www.nationalach.com/ but I don't have the time to research them so if someone else wants to and then post their findings I'd appreciate it.

Start here: http://www.nationalach.com/secure-vault-2/no-chargeback-merchant-account/
2374  Economy / Economics / Re: Current Bitcoin inflation rate = 35%. Price = stable on: April 22, 2012, 01:38:42 PM
Unfortunately I can't support bitcoin as-is because it is a system very similar to what existed prior to the fed, and that didn't work either once a few people started amassing a large portion of the wealth.

BULLSHIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeIljifA8Ls
2375  Economy / Economics / Re: Current Bitcoin inflation rate = 35%. Price = stable on: April 22, 2012, 01:14:25 PM
This is amazing, or shocking, depending on how one interprets the data.

Let's have a look:
From http://blockexplorer.com/q/totalbc the total number of bitcoins that exist is 8726700.

The inflation rate per 10 minutes is: 50 / 8726700 = 0,00000573 or 0,000573%

Given T = 8726700
The annualised inflation at this moment is [(T+50)/T]^(365*24*6) -1 = 0,3514 or 35.14%

Because we're raising very small fractions to very high powers, we can redo the calculation for a daily rate to make sure the accuracy is good:
[(T + 24*6*50)/T]^365 -1 = 0,3512 or 35.12%

Yet, despite this rather high inflation rate (which we already knew about because it's in the Bitcoin brochure), the exchange rate against the USD is somehow not dropping like a stone. Ahh, but what about US dollar inflation? Perhaps Bitcoin isn't really growing at all, and the USD price inflation is 35%? So I googled "official us inflation rate" and they say it's just under 3% (inflationdata.com). If we subtract that from the figures, we find that Bitcoin appears to have a growth rate of only 32%pa Shocked

But what about those crazy tin-foil-hatters claiming that price inflation is more like 10% based on 1980s government metrics, as per: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts ?
I guess that would make Bitcoin's annualised growth rate a measly 25%pa.

Thoughts?

Thank you very much for these calculations, I was wondering what the current inflation rate was.

But I think you're making a mistake when you're equating inflation with rising prices. You correctly identified inflation as the growth of supply of bitcoins and what it's rate is but this is only one half of the supply/demand story that goes into the exchange rate with another currency/commodity price discovery.

Inflation != rising prices. Inflation can result in rising prices given the right conditions of supply/demand.

IMO what the current inflation rate of bitcoins really tells us is that the demand to hold bitcoins is greater than the growth of supply but it doesn't explain where this demand comes from. Is it new market participants coming in and shoring up their balance sheets? Is it the current market participants saving and increasing their balance sheets? Is it just miners saving? Who knows from who's balance sheet this demand really comes from and what Bitcoins "growth" rate actually is.
2376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the cheapest way to move money from Australia to Germany? on: April 22, 2012, 10:43:26 AM
Just found this article for anyone that's interested.
I just emailed them and asked them to also support bitcoin.

http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/18/transferwise-undercuts-the-banks-with-crowdsourced-currency-exchange/


That's one very good company to approach with Bitcoin. I hope your email doesn't land in the spam folder, what did you write?

EDIT: here's a direct link for anyone wondering: http://www.transferwise.com/
2377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoinica is now a registered Financial Services Provider! on: April 21, 2012, 05:09:24 PM
Zhou, congratulations on the news regarding New Zealand!

I announced it on the Forbes site: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/04/21/bitcoinica-registers-in-new-zealand-for-bitcoin-margin-trading/

That's really cool!
2378  Economy / Speculation / Re: How high the spike will go this time? on: April 21, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Once all the drug dealers have to sell their money from the SR sale the price will go down. I know most of you think that SR isnt the #1 reason for bitcoins success but after this huge spike for 4/20 I dont know how you can deny it any more.
lol

wouldn't you think they would buy b4 4/20?


Stoners?  nope

I have strong doubts SR had much to do with today's rally since most of people trading there don't use the 100% by the book give us your ID info or we keep your money mtgox.
2379  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: No More Bubbles?? on: April 20, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
hahaha i have a dream! The Bitcoin Dream Cheesy

That's one sweet and awesome dream I want to dream every single night!
2380  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: No More Bubbles?? on: April 20, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Bubbles, I'd argue, are a natural occurrence when the market tries to recalibrate at what price a new supply and demand equilibrium is and Bitcoin is no exception. But I doubt the next bubble will get as big percentage vise as the first since now people are a lot more cautious and prudent having already learnt a valuable and painful lesson.
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