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2381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
You apparently have no knowledge on what is a multisig at all!

The evidence in this thread suggests that you do not have the understanding to comprehend m-of-m multisig transactions.

And again, can I request that you be civil?



m-of-m again? lmao, let's not continue please  Grin Grin

Yes, m-of-m.

You're really not willing to enquire about what it's useful for are you?

I'll tell you anyway: trustless mixing.

2382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
XC finally accepted they have no multisig address thus they are not trustless

tor depended something else they packaged it like trustless


No we did not.

See my previous post.

You dirty fudder.

2383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:47:05 PM
moreover, now I see you changed m-of-m multisig to n-of-m multisig, lol, learned something new?

No I didn't. Even in my prior post - which you quoted above - I use the term "m-of-m".

Where are you getting this from?



lol, m-of-m? check the screenshot at OP? is it not clear enough?

OK I think XC people agreed finally they did not use the multisig, so please do not claim it, thanks.

Also I downloaded your client, I see the privacy mode, it uses tor network, this is completely different from multisig, it is apple to orange, lol.


Umm... what? I have consistently stated that XC uses m-of-m multisig. Even in the OP of this thread your screenshots display the phrase "m-of-m".

I have ONLY used this phrase from the beginning.

- except where I assert that XC does not use m-of-n.

And no, TOR is optional. XC's Privacy Mode uses m-of-m to mix transactions trustlessly.

2384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
You apparently have no knowledge on what is a multisig at all!

The evidence in this thread suggests that you do not have the understanding to comprehend m-of-m multisig transactions.

And again, can I request that you be civil?

2385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:38:37 PM
moreover, now I see you changed m-of-m multisig to n-of-m multisig, lol, learned something new?

No I didn't. Even in my prior post - which you quoted above - I use the term "m-of-m".

Where are you getting this from?

2386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:36:17 PM

people already showed you what you posted do not have a single multisig address. What your links for??

we ask some simple info and you provided something complete different. Please answer the simple question, and don't post ton of unrelated info to confuse people.

Let me state it more briefly then: you're asking for the wrong thing.

MULTI_SIG M-OF-N is not used in XC.


Can we move on now?

2387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XC uses multisig address and transaction? The answer is NO!! Look at facts here! on: August 16, 2014, 07:31:01 PM
Man, I head out to enjoy my weekend and come back to this mess?

Again, you guys need to work on your civility.

Now, let's play join-the-dots:

1) I posted the following a little earlier:

Can anyone show me XC's multisig addresses and their associated transactions?
Would these satisfy your curiosity?
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm

You're an arse for fudding instead of just downloading the wallet and trying out Privacy Mode.

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m-of-m multisig? Are you drunk? What fun will you have to have m-of-m multisig?? If one guy is bad then you want the wallet is locked forever?

So, your reasoning process:
- timerland doesn't understand the point of m-of-m multisig.

- timerland doesn't bother to ask people from XC what m-of-m is used for.

- timerland simply concludes, with the foolhardiness of a drunk pullet, that the truth is not that he lacks understanding but that XC is a scam.


You're not very civil are you?

Just come and ask us questions next time instead of creating a fruitless and irritating FUD thread.

If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask, nicely.




2) ATCSECURE, XC's core dev, posted the following not too long ago:

They are mixing apples and oranges, XC is trustless based on the signatures of all parties during the private transaction.  Its not using MULTI_SIG N OF M Address's.

The transactions are SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES, if any of the outputs are missing, then it is not signed by all parties.

Here is an example of a private decentralized distributed multi-path transaction consisting of 4 parties. >>> http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229236.htm



3) Supplementary information:

- XC's multipath technology, used for obfuscating the amount sent in a transaction and the identity of sender and receiver, makes use of m-of-m transactions in order to achieve trustless mixing.

- Trustless mixing is a world-first. Nobody's ever done it before. Hence my prior request that you ask questions before coming to conclusions.

- m-of-m requires that all parties sign or else the transaction is invalidated.

- As such, m-of-m prevents bad nodes stealing coins instead of forwarding them.

- if a transaction is invalidated, the participating nodes resync the session-based network they form for the transaction in question, and proceed.


4) Conclusion:

- You might've guessed this before - though your intentions evidently have barricaded you from this surprisingly obvious conclusion - but XC DOES NOT USE MULTI_SIG M-OF-N.

- So you're looking for the wrong thing. It's something that I've already stated (see above post) that XC does not use. All this talk of addresses beginning with a 4, condescending offers to explain multisig, etc. refer to the wrong thing. Come on.

- I refer you to the latter half of my previous post: timerland needs to ask questions before coming to conclusions about a technology he doesn't understand.

- If you don't get the point of m-of-m transactions, then stop talking and listen. Idiots.

- You can start listening this weekend. ATCSECURE releases a whitepaper explaining how all this works.


And if you speak again, kindly be civil, for heaven's sake.


2388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 04:39:28 PM
Wokeup today to my PC unable to start windows. AWESOME.

Ststem restore to the most recent date failed twice, trying the next date back now... I backed up my wallet.dat a few weeks ago but have bought some more XC and staked some since then so I'm hoping system restore gets all my XC back!

Lesson learned back your XC up regularly.
you only need to backup your wallet.dat once.
Your wallet.dat does not contain your coins... the blockchain does.
When needed your backup will update on the blockchain and you will have your coins

If you have a new adress (like one for xchat) than you need to backup again. Cheesy

Good to know, maybe I'm ok then. Although I think I created a new receiving address in my XC wallet for the recent buys I've made on mintpal so I'm guessing I still may be in trouble?
If you didn't backed up the wallet.dat with your new adress for receiving from mintpal you could be in trouble.

is it possible to extract your wallet.dat from the corrupt windows?
it is on directory C:\Users\"your username"\AppData\Roaming\xcurrency

Not sure about that but hopefully... I just did a system restore to an older date and it said it was successful but then when I restarted my computer I got the same error that windows wouldnt start. I'll probably have to bring it in for someone to look at.  I appreciate the help tho!

i think you're fine as long you have an old backup of your wallet. just reinstall xc client when your computer is fixed, copy old wallet.dat to data directory (%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\XCurrency) and start xcurrency. then wait until it's fully synchronized.

only thing that could be, if you gave label to the newly created addresses it might be reset to "(no label)" since this is stored in the wallet.dat.

Good advice. If you've created <100 new addresses since your last backup of your wallet.dat, it'll automatically be able to recreate any addresses created after the backup.


2389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
Using v0.9.2.47g.XCurrency-2.47, My client has 8 connections, stacking is working fine. I'm connected through wireless router to modem and then through our cable tv connection. I tried deleting my chat.dat.

You should get the latest version:  h.

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/windows/

2390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 03:44:41 PM
Can someone shoot me a message to see if I have XChat set up correctly? Thanks.
Xchat- XDyr4EyV7m1csRWcT6ci6L3f2NkzgY85rd
Pubkey- 24wEQiVKBSsskmpR7hNqYgbpRTXwEJQPNqqH5SW1nR5zK

Sent
2391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 03:43:24 PM
....why isn't the xc releases signed with pgp and why download files don't have any checksums.
We need to be 100% careful, hackers are targeting all crypto.

Fully agree.
We should all urge devs on this as a top priority.
TAILS is a nice example how it can be handled https://tails.boum.org/download/index.en.html
Right (and rather simple) tools like PGP, SHA256 brings BIG results.
Hard to overvaluate them...

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...Also xc official homepage isn't very friendly, the slide down buttons may be gimmicky but it is covering the other links ...

Right.  But I can live with that. Not a deal breaker


Dan's previous releases have had checksums, etc. so in general this is what we do already.

Not sure why the latest builds don't...

2392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 03:40:53 PM
hey synechist... sorry I had to go for a short while but I'm back...
I've received your chat...

hopefully you received mine

Yup, received and replied a moment ago.

Sorry, I was away too.
2393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 02:08:43 PM
Hey Synechist can you help me test whether XChat is working?
I have tried to send you a message.

My Address is: XZFT9YxW9Uhv4R5yoWgUmYhAzqP5qVuZp8
Public Key is: 288p7Jom8LvQ1UNVgc7H7wzpZoQkqLdtqfR7Ls4Bgo3Mz

Msg sent.


Thanks 520bit but I haven't received anything, am I doing it wrong? I have my wallet unlocked for stacking.

I tried to message you too.

What app version are you using?
How are you connected to the internet?
Try deleting (or moving) your chat.dat if nothing else works. Sometimes it can get corrupted (in my case, mostly when I shut down my computer with XC running).
2394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does XC uses multisig address and transaction? Looks like the answer is NO on: August 16, 2014, 02:06:05 PM
Can anyone show me XC's multisig addresses and their associated transactions?
Would these satisfy your curiosity?
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm

You're an arse for fudding instead of just downloading the wallet and trying out Privacy Mode.

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m-of-m multisig? Are you drunk? What fun will you have to have m-of-m multisig?? If one guy is bad then you want the wallet is locked forever?

So, your reasoning process:
- timerland doesn't understand the point of m-of-m multisig.

- timerland doesn't bother to ask people from XC what m-of-m is used for.

- timerland simply concludes, with the foolhardiness of a drunk pullet, that the truth is not that he lacks understanding but that XC is a scam.


You're not very civil are you?

Just come and ask us questions next time instead of creating a fruitless and irritating FUD thread.

If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask, nicely.



my suggestion to them was to download the wallet and try it out for themselves. I have no respect for people who are too incompetent to discover their own answers to these question (which by the way is quite simple, and it also forces them to buy XC Smiley)

Indeed.

It suggests that the intention was to spread FUD rather than to engage constructively.

One of the funny things about all this is that anyone claiming they've "done multisig properly" has not thereby achieved something (sorry Mammothcoin). Multisig doth not an anoncoin make, especially if you're using a non-trustless mixer).

What a weird thing to base one's superiority on. ;-)

2395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 12:28:25 PM

Nope. Just sent you a message on XChat too. Let me know if you get it.
2396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
A happy Saturday morning to you all!

To put this silly multisig FUD to rest:

- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm




Good morning 2 you 2! Missed ya


Sorry for the relative absence. I haven't been well for the past few days; only had energy to get on with writing PR.

2397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
A happy Saturday morning to you all!

To put this silly multisig FUD to rest:

- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm



Hey arlyn...
goodmorning to you too Smiley

you alive on XCHAT?

Yup.
2398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 16, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
A happy Saturday morning to you all!

To put this silly multisig FUD to rest:

- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm


2399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does XC uses multisig address and transaction? Looks like the answer is NO on: August 16, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Can anyone show me XC's multisig addresses and their associated transactions?
Would these satisfy your curiosity?
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm

You're an arse for fudding instead of just downloading the wallet and trying out Privacy Mode.

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m-of-m multisig? Are you drunk? What fun will you have to have m-of-m multisig?? If one guy is bad then you want the wallet is locked forever?

So, your reasoning process:
- timerland doesn't understand the point of m-of-m multisig.

- timerland doesn't bother to ask people from XC what m-of-m is used for.

- timerland simply concludes, with the foolhardiness of a drunk pullet, that the truth is not that he lacks understanding but that XC is a scam.


You're not very civil are you?

Just come and ask us questions next time instead of creating a fruitless and irritating FUD thread.

If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask, nicely.

2400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: August 15, 2014, 03:48:06 PM
Damn, it's awfully quiet in here and on the exchange. A friend I recently convinced about XC wants to buy 25 btc worth of XC. Anyone willing to sell otc? Please PM me.

Here's an idea:

- every so often, some of us will want to sell XC to pay salaries, rent, etc.

- why don't we post the amount and asking price here and see if there are any takers?

- if there's a deal, trades can take place on Mintpal, which will keep the volume up.

- and the community will understand the reason for selling rather than being perturbed/outraged at the stupidity of sellers.



P.S. This was Bisky's idea. Thanks Bisky!

P.P.S. This would only make sense to those who want to see the price head upwards but still need to sell some XC.

Sounds like a great idea. But, shouldn't this be done on a separate sub-thread? I mean, XC trade thread could deal with whatever people want to exchange.

Possibly...

But that would remove one of its advantages, which is to let community members know what the selling is for.

I reckon that sell offers should be posted publicly, negotiated privately, and then final agreements to trade posted publicly.

After that the community can sit back and watch the trade take place on Bitcoinwisdom.


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