Σκέψου ότι έχοντας όλο το tor stack μέσα στο πορτοφόλι, όποια επίθεση και να φας, θα τη φάει το πορτοφόλι αφού τρέχει μέσα στο δικά του resources (βλέπε τι έγινε με όσους είχαν ενεργοποιήσει το ssl με το heartbleed).
Χμμ... Αυτο δε το ειχα συνυπολογισει καθολου. Τώρα σχετικά με όλο το anonymous concept, εγώ προσωπικά πιστεύω ότι δεν μπορεί να υπάρξει κάτι βασισμένο στο bitcoin protocol. Privacy ναι, anonymous όχι.
Εξαρταται το concept... πχ αμα κανει καποιος ενα coinjoin transaction με 100 ατομα x 0.1 BTC input & 100 ατομα x 0.1 BTC out (identical amounts) τοτε η πιθανοτητα να τον βρεις ειναι probabilistic με ...1%. Οπότε απλα δεν ξερεις ποιος εστειλε σε ποιον. Και τα ring signatures του bytecoin / monero κτλ probabilistic ειναι... Μπορεις να εικασεις οτι ειναι καποιος εκ του group αλλα δε ξερεις με βεβαιοτητα. Σχετικά με την ανακάλυψη των IPs, ας μη γελιόμαστε: Δεν είναι τόσο εύκολο. Τι κι αν κάνεις log τα μηνύματα που δέχεσαι και από ποια IP ήρθαν;
Ως γνωστόν, τα μηνύματα γίνονται re-broadcast από τους clients, είτε είναι connectable είτε όχι. Δεν υπάρχει ασφαλής τρόπος να γνωρίζεις αν το transaction message έχει δημιουργηθεί από την IP που σου έρχεται ή αν απλώς γίνεται "πάσα".
Το IP θεωρειται σημαντικο οχι τοσο για μενα, για σενα κτλ, αλλα για τις "υπηρεσιες" οι οποιες μπορουν να ταυτισουν ατομα με IPs. Αν εχεις transaction obfuscation αλλα οχι IP obfuscation, υπαρχει θεμα ταυτισης. Ουσιαστικα ολα τα anonymous solutions υποβαλλονται σε thought experiments του τυπου "και αν μια κυβερνηση κανει αυτο? Τοτε τι?"... οπότε, όταν δε περναει το thought experiment => Η λυση ειναι DoA μεχρι να επισκευασθει το προβλημα της υλοποιησης (και εφοσον η υλοποιηση δεν ειναι fundamentally flawed). Ας το παραδεχθούμε: τον τελευταίο καιρό, γίνεται ένας μικρός χαμός για να βρίσκουν "νέες καινοτομίες" (με λίγα λόγια φανφάρες για να ψαρώνουν οι χρήστες) και να αγοράζουν...
Ισχυει αλλα καλο ειναι που υπαρχει προοδος στο συγκεκριμενο τομεα - εστω και αν η πλειοψηφια των "προσπαθειων" ειναι για p&d. Δε γινεται να περιμενουν ολοι το ποτε θα βγει το zerocoin... Btw: Καλη επιτυχια για οτι κανεις με το crypt - εχω αγορασει μερικα οταν η τιμη ηταν ακομα πολυ χαμηλη. |
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Government-proofing is not that hard. 99% of the countries do not have NSA-level resources to crack shit, including China - as China does not control the TOR network, cloud services, all internet backbones etc etc.
Proofing it against the US-government in particular (NSA) is the hard part.
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What is I2P anyway?
IP obfuscation solution |
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0.009 to 0.012 in just a few hours. Not bad.
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γιαυτο αιμορραγει το dark? πανε προς xc?
Αν δε φτιαξουν τα fundamentals του xc, δυσκολο να υπαρξει τετοια μετακινηση. Προς το παρον δεν φαινεται κατι περα απ'την υποσχεση του rev2. Πιστευω οτι το DRK πεφτει (επεφτε χθες δλδ, τωρα ξαναπιασε 0.012 απο 0.009) λογω hack στο μεγαλυτερο pool, το οποίο ηταν και το official που το ετρεχε ο evan. Λεει οτι κλεψανε 1000 DRK. Εγω πιστευω οτι κλεψανε >20.000 DRK και τα ριχνανε σταδιακα στο market μεχρι να τελειωσει το αποθεμα. |
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As a DRK supporter from Day 1 the only other altcoin I would suggest you guys getting into right now is Cloak. In the last 3 weeks they've moved 0 to a trustless non-coinjoin anon implementation, decoupled from exchanges with built in trading in the wallet, p2p decentralized marketplace built into the wallet. Centralized exchanges have typically been the Achilles heel for privacy-oriented coin users and decoupling from them reduces the exposure of the user. Don't believe any of the FUD from anyone Cloak is the real deal with 5 full time developers. It's a real steal at the current price.
The very fact that they pushed into the market a coin that offers anonymity through ...exchanges just to cash out in the wake of DRK shows what they are really made of. I mean... WTF? Through exchanges? Anyone even thinking about implementing such a joke solution and marketing it as a serious one is incompetent enough to guarantee zero investment. That's my take on it anyway. |
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My analysis of where we are / where we should be going in terms of market & tech:
1) Primary buying force who took the price to the moon is in stand-by mode, calculating his moves - while also hedging himself with other coins. He likes DRK but would like to see more from it. Primary buyer has kept the price stable at psychological marks (#3 / #4 positions, $10 etc) for quite some time but he is giving warning shots here in order for DRK to increase its pace.
2) Market "dumps" are nothing spectacular in terms of volume. Volume nowadays is 1/10th of the pump days - so small sells move the market.
3) The communication issue is overblown in importance. Communication and announcements are usually for pumping purposes. Fundamentals, ie real progress, is more important. We do have an outline of what is going on - IMO this is not the problem. The problem is being stuck for two months in trying to do proper payments for masternodes, which proves to be more difficult than what most expected (due to multiple layers of consensus / disagreement - causing forks).
4) I believe a larger number of coins were stolen by DRKpool than 1000 DRKs but Evan might have downplayed it for obvious reasons. These coins might have been creating sell pressure. A number out of my a$$ would be something like 10-30k coins.
5) The broader environment seems weird right now. As I've mentioned in prior analysis when we were below DOGE & LTC, I don't see why DOGE or LTC would have higher value than DRK. So it is either DRK is undervalued or DOGE & LTC are highly overpriced. With DOGE heading to 30 satoshi and LTC being dumped down to 2$, things seem to move fast. Other anonymous coins - even with average-to-solid fundamentals, have larger losses than DRK.
6) In terms of fundamentals nothing changed since a week ago when the price was 0.017-0.018. Or, if we look at it from the perspective of the anon-race, more coins showed their incompetence and p&d nature - as they are consistently failing to provide what they promised.
7) A lot of "explanations" that try to link effects (lower price) with causes, remind me of the media when they link news items with market movements, even if unrelated.
8 ) Masternode payments are consuming coding resources from the "core business" of anonymity. The half-baked solution is good for debugging input but not something to really brag about.
As far as the future is concerned:
9) DRK needs a faster pace of development as it is perceived to be a weakness. When a new coin comes out and brings features (perceived or actual) by the bucketload, and DRK is perceived to be stagnant for two months, it's only natural that if one extrapolates the progression curve of DRK and other coins he will reach the conclusion that DRK is going to be overtaken.
DRK introduced innovation in a time when scrypt shitclones were being issued by the dozen each day. It shifted the focus from "what's the name of your coin / number of coins, etc" to "what does this coin offer". However, right now, more development is coming out as a result of that trend-setting and DRK will not be able to keep up with others if it follows its current curve. Hence the need for parallel implementations where features are being worked at in a parallel fashion, instead of linear. Bounties could help for that.
10) The main competitors of DRK have almost insurmountable difficulties (bytecoin = stealthmined / clones = very high inflation / PoS coins are DoA due to the nothing-at-stake vector) and hence their long term price is far riskier than DRK's.
11) The anonymity improvements of RC4 need to be robust. If 10 DRK denominations are removed, we need to have some kind of replacement otherwise coinjoin with non-identical inputs is currently been mapped by scripts and analyzed (=DoA). If someone can make a script to provide a transparent block explorer with the actual transactions = DoA. We will also need to fix the issue of the nodes knowing what they transact (if possible) and the issue of linking change from past transactions. In general, we need the best anonymity possible - with the fewest weak spots possible.
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Blood running down the streets.
Where are all the pumpers with the "buy when blood is running down the streets" quotes?
For every seller there is a buyer... whether the seller says "I dumped" or the buyer says "nom nom". |
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Dont get me wrong, i like Darkcoin too. But the only thing i think is that Darks techniques have been passed by Cloakcoin. Cloakcoin can provide fully anon where xc and yes, dark also, just cant.
Cloakcoin is offering trusted "anonymity" through ....exchanges. How is that better than DRK? |
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I guess Evan and his team if they continue in this way,
The situation is this going to be 5-8 months later:
Darkcoin net hashrate: 900 / 1,2K Gh/s (After ASICs)
Block reward: 0,57 DRK
Masternodes count: 1500 - 1700
Price: 1,5 BTC
Are there english speaking countries where a decimal point is denoted by a comma? Sorry for being a dick but you should know this is confusing, and I'm rly curious. I don't know about english-speaking but where I live when you want to say 3023 euro and 53 cents it's like 3.023,53 Π is 3,1415... etc. Dots can be left out entirely (3023,53), or dots can be used interchangeably with commas when the integer part is unified => 3023.53 |
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I don't understand why would one destroy the USD value of LTC/USD in such a dramatic fashion instead of going through BTC and getting at least 2x USD.
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I'd make more by holding and playing it out the "stupid" way.
If it's stupid, but works, it isn't stupid. True... But even if the fundamentals are excellent, when you think you have a relatively good grasp of the market you are tempted to trade it. Until a whale buyer comes and destroys what you think you knew about the market operation  |
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Yep... I see trading as a way to increase the stash without actually buying, but it doesn't always work out - especially in a very strong bull run. Paradoxically dumping phases are more profitable for trading, although they devalue the DRKs I have... so it's kind of weird. |
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Here's the thing. Even if people were to get full payments, will running a masternode still be a good investment? I could take the same amount of btc that people have tied up in a masternode and likely make 10% in a week based on previous returns. omg with those skills borrow and steal as much capital as you can and 100x it in a year. The funny thing is that the first coin I ever mine was Darkcoin. That was a long time ago. Since then I've bought and sold Darkcoin dozens of times. Making profit all along the way. And I don't know what is so surprising about making 10% in crypto. It's not that hard. But the key is to buy low and sell high. Not buy and hold. Had I just held onto my Darkcoin like most people in this thread seem to do then no, I wouldn't make those kinds of gains. If you are in from the beginning (say 0.0000x to 0.001x) it is impossible to "win" with a buy low - sell high strategy. You will actually get more by holding - otherwise there will be a "high" -as you perceive it- in which you'll lose the coins and the train. Whether that's at 0.00018, 0.0005, 0.0015, 0.004, 0.005, or 0.008, 0.01, 0.014, 0.017, 0.02. Only pre-knowledge of events and prices can guarantee gains in an an uptrend - as price might correct, or it might not and go crazy - where you lose your coins and then you trade to get back the losses from your selling (which will require A LOT of trading - if you miss a 5x train). I've lost coins during the uptrend when trading, as I'm more proactive in my strategy than simply "holding". But the uptrend didn't work for me as I'd like. I'd make more by holding and playing it out the "stupid" way. |
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Maybe Eltito can also be granted OP here ?  or someone active in this forum Evan checks everything at least once a day, so all he needs is a list of bullets with things to check or update... like - Need to update OP with this and that - Need to communicate with X for Z matter - Need to clarify this on darkcointalk / bitcointalk, thread X, post Z - Website needs to change link from X to Z ...so he gets input once or twice a day and he checks up the list of things to-do, and does them. Organization 101 |
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The meaning is simple: Cheap DRKs Anyhow, last time it finished with 81 and I said it could be a birthdate... now it finishes at 82. Evan is an '82er but I don't know the month/day etc to see if the prior numbers are meaningful in the european context (29/7/82). |
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Sold at 0.0144 - bought back at 0.01366  Do you play Ping Pong on a table made of Ouija Boards? Reminds me of a story that I dunno if it's real or not, but anyway it goes something like this. An investment telemarketer has this strategy that first he selects a stock, and then calls 64 people. To demonstrate his expertise, he tells the first half that the stock will go up this week. To the second half he tells that the stock will go down. Then, the next week, if the stock went up, he calls the people to whom he told that it would go up. And if the stock went down, he calls the people he told it would go down. Now he has 32 people who probably think that he got lucky guessing what would happen, and 32 people who he can now forget. Next he tells 16 people that this week the stock would go up, and the second group of 16 people that it would go down. And again, the next week he will call back to those 16 people who now are probably thinking that he might actually know something about the markets. Eventually he has 4 people who have heard the salesman to be correct 4 out of 4 times, and they are begging him to take them to be his clients. Derren Brown did a demonstration of that system a few years back, with betting advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5OWh7luL4 |
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So did we, and we're both still down there... So, not sure I'd brag about it... Of course, shitcoiner behavior is no indicator of a coin's utility, worth, innovation, etc... So it's a useless metric that falsely implies that causality == correlation. Not bragging - it's just fundamentals catching up with LTC's inflation and people being unwilling to fund it + bagholders running for the exit. LTC has 3yr old history + 6-7x marketcap... so when it goes down the marketcap that evaporates is pretty large. |
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