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2381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Survey time! Was 340 the final bottom? on: April 13, 2014, 05:42:36 AM
For posterity: I do not think it was a final bottom and have not started buying yet.

Wow, you sure do have hard balls and patience of steel there.
2382  Economy / Economics / Re: STOP BUYING INTO ALT COINS , as you are indirectly hurting Bitcoin on: April 13, 2014, 05:39:16 AM
Bold - I agree.. Has Litecoin gained much traction besides on the investment front? Not really.

Where do you think all the new GPU rigs will flock to once scrypt ASIC put them out of business? VTC. This leads to a community which support a decentralized network. ASICs lead to centralization and they put GPU miners, which make up most of the Alt coin communities, out of business.

If we simply follow your rules then there's no reason to venture outside of bitcoin.

There are definately reasons to venture outside of bitcoin, because venturing per se means taking a risk, and bitcoin is getting risky these days due to more centralized network than in its earlier days. As long as it's a calculated risk, I am all for it. Everyone has different calculations. I just don't see how VTC can overtake Litecoin. What can really overtake Litecoin is Dogecoin, there are still ponderings going on the technicals, perhaps they will change its algo to the same of VTC or even introduce more than one independant algo, same as Myriadcoin did, and that would ensure the largest network. Yes, this would hardfork Dogecoin, but their community is so condensed on reddit that it won't be a problem, there were 2-3 hardforks already and nobody seemed to mind that much, and that only affected the price for a day at most. The most flexible coin will win in my opinion, the one that can evolve quickly with the demands of users and miners.
2383  Economy / Speculation / Re: Survey time! Was 340 the final bottom? on: April 12, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we dip once more to the ~300 range. I still don't think the ride is over in the short-term yet. Heck, I look at an exponential price chart and even 250 looks reasonable.

I tend to agree.
2384  Economy / Speculation / Re: The psychology of a HODLer on: April 12, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
So what if it's a religion? Religion goes a long way. People die and kill for religion. Hodling for religion is such a trifle compared to those.
2385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Insider tip! on: April 12, 2014, 12:59:25 PM
I think 1-2 satoshi is a good price, will wait to buy at that one.
2386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Insider tip! on: April 12, 2014, 12:55:34 PM
How many original stakeholders in NAS?

http://nascoin.org/list.txt

36 persons invested in the IPO

shit, that's worse than NXT... not that I am concerned about NXT distribution, but NAS will have a lot of critique.
2387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Insider tip! on: April 12, 2014, 12:47:59 PM
How many original stakeholders in NAS?
2388  Economy / Economics / Re: STOP BUYING INTO ALT COINS , as you are indirectly hurting Bitcoin on: April 12, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
I used to think nearly the same..altcoins were simply a distraction as bitcoin is a protocol and layers will be built on top. Then I look at the marketcap disparity between litecoin (which will have no advantages when ASICs roll out) and Vertcoin (which is a superior #2 coin.)

If the world wants Altcoins then Vertcoin has a shit ton of upside to catch up to LTC.

BTC and VTC

The price is determined not by ASICs/no ASICs, but by supply/demand. Demand is driven by adoption, merchants, marketing/media efforts. With that in mind I don't see how Vertcoin has any advantage over other more popular/innovative altcoins. This resistance to ASICs feature is utterly useless in my opinion, as only miners care about that, and miners for the large part don't work to generate demand, on the contrary, they dump coin supply on the market. ASICs are even good because they add more hashrate to the network, making it more secure, but I wouldn't mention this factor as it's not very significant for price appreciation. The significant ones are typed in bold above.
2389  Economy / Speculation / Re: [ Poll ] How did you feel today on: April 12, 2014, 08:34:58 AM

Incorrect. Better to be a seller at 1200 and buyer at 350.

Do not forget the mantra: buy low, sell high

Yes. It's buy low, sell high NOT buy and hold

If you get the 'buy low' part right, that is good enough.
Changing 'selling high' to 'selling when you need fiat' is making sure you are not left out of the party.
2390  Economy / Speculation / Re: [ Poll ] How did you feel today on: April 11, 2014, 02:07:47 PM
Disappointed. That it bounced off so quickly before I had time to find fiat to buy at 350, now it's expensive again. Maybe it could go down to 300 or so again before resuming uptrend, I sure hope so.
2391  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 10:55:01 AM

All-in-one solution is more suited to the KISS principle than having to deal with a few different solutions each performing only one function. From a user's perspective, that is. Of course, many users only need just one function, namely, money transfer and that's it. Well, to each his own.
2392  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 10:50:17 AM
Well, Bitcoin protocol can't do decentralized exchange at this point,

This is not part of the Bitcoin protocol, right. And it should not. But I am going to release a distributed exchange Fiat<->BTC within a few days:
https://github.com/zeroreserve/ZeroReserve

Not sure why you say it should not.

Good for you, the more solutions, the better.
2393  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 10:42:32 AM
Bitcoin is not written in any particular language. Bitcoin is a protocol. The Satoshi implementation IS NOT Bitcoin. Slightly tweaking that protocol does not make it something truely new IMHO. NXT is a knockoff.

Well, Bitcoin protocol can't do decentralized exchange at this point, but NXT can. NXT can transfer funds just like Bitcoin + other new things that Bitcoin can't do. If you call something a knockoff just because the basic function is the same, well, then Bitcoin is a knockoff of traditional money transfer systems, and those are a knockoff of cowry shells that ancient people used to trade. But we all know that the main advantage of Bitcoin is it's decentralized (cowry shells were decentralized too by the way). Well, now you have a decentralized exchange in NXT, something that hasn't been done before and that Bitcoin doesn't have. That's far from slightly tweaking the protocol.
2394  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 10:29:50 AM
NXT = USD 2.0

No idea what you're talking about. Only please don't raise the issue of distribution, it'd be utterly stupid, as NXT has better distribution than bitcoin now. Research the latest stats.
2395  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
But I must admit, that bitcoin is overvalued versus other altcoins,

You are aware that:

  • There is no alt coin that is not a knockoff of Bitcoin? The only other design of P2P payment that exists is Ripple / Hawala. And that is a couple 1000 years old.
  • Bitcoin has the network effects? People invest in Bitcoin businesses, not in Foobar-Coin businesses. Why? Because people invest in Bitcoin businesses.

There is a good chance that in the 22. century, Bitcoin will be called the most important invention of the 21st. Calling it "overvalued" seems a bit short sighted.

I am aware that there is NXT that is written from scratch in a completely different language and has many more features than Bitcoin, so you should catch up on learning the crypto currency scene. Not meant to insult, but to raise awareness. Other alts are more or less a knockoff of bitcoin, that's true.

Network effect, I agree to some extent. But we all know how network effects on the internet is not something set in stone (netscape, myspace examples). The next 1-2 years will show who is short sighted. Keeping all eggs in one basket is never a wise idea.
2396  Economy / Economics / Re: STOP BUYING INTO ALT COINS , as you are indirectly hurting Bitcoin on: April 11, 2014, 09:44:54 AM
It's a crypto currency war, some altcoins are struggling to be #1. There are many people who joined late, and they hate buying expensive (relative to altcoins) bitcoin, some can't afford to buy even 1 full bitcoin, that sure makes them feel like losers, and they buy into promising altcoins. No mercy and no prisoners in this war, sorry OP, there are no friends in profits or love.
2397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.6 HARDFORK MANDATORY UPDATE on: April 11, 2014, 09:41:21 AM
107 Btc buy @ 98  Shocked You can call that a wall.

Someone smart figured out that Doge can't get any cheaper than 90 satoshi, while it can get to 300 satoshi by the end of this year. Don't have to be a genius to know what to do at this point.
2398  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 09:33:13 AM
Would you care to share an unemotional logical explanation? Tell me why Bitcoin is worth 5 rather than 3 billion dollars, and why the marke will react to one different than the other?
Not trying to be an asshole but everyone here seems to base their analysis on market cycles which is basically an aggregation of human emotion and psychology throughout that cycle, you just put a number on it...

Bitcoin is not worth 5 or even 3 billion. The market cap is irrelevant, because if all bitcoins were sold at once, it'd drop to $10 or about that and that would bring its total cap to $200 mln at most. Same logic applies to any company's stock, so market cap calculations should be taken with a grain of salt.

But with each cycle of appreciation new money pours into bitcoin and although a lot of it is just looking for quick profits and withdraws when the price drops, some of it stays. These people who stay maintain a long-term look on it. They also don't chase the market, they buy at technical mid-term and long-term bottoms. If you buy at technical bottoms and fundamentals haven't changed (and they haven't), then your future pain will not be as bad as if you chased the price at the peak. That is kinda obvious.

But I must admit, that bitcoin is overvalued versus other altcoins, so some diversification is advisable. I posted my view on diversification here if you're interested.
2399  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 11, 2014, 06:02:23 AM

Definitely not. We're there if you have given up and would have serious doubts about buying more even if you had the funds.

More pain to come.

ok, but that would be around $200. I seriously doubt we could go down there.
2400  Economy / Speculation / Re: point of maximum pain on: April 10, 2014, 09:49:18 PM
@OP,

are we there yet? Smiley

Because I feel just greed, but this greed is painful, because I temporarily ran out of fiat to buy moar, so yeah I feel pain, but not the kind of pain you're referring to Smiley
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