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241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Rises to $20-$50k After Halving...Thoughts? on: December 11, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
BTC so far is going up as speaking of its price - even each bottom is much higher than a previous one. So then we can reasonably expect its price to reach $20k+ value. Question is when it will happen, as the bull market is not yet in its full potential.
Yet it would not be unreasonable to claim that we will see significant uptrend and hype to last until 4-5 weeks from halving itself, next correction by 30-50% and another bull run ending in 2021.
242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What can be done to stop loss sending to wrong bitcoin address on: December 10, 2019, 04:34:35 PM

That is sound complicated I think. Simple problem requires simple solution, it is not that tough to double check the address where you will send it to. In my long time here in crypto industry I haven't experience any problem in making transactions because I do check first the address to prevent of losing profit. You could just copy and paste the address then check it first before hit the send button.

Of course, you are right but in the case of negligence (most common reason of sending t the wrong address) this is possibly the only potential countermeasure, as transactions are not reversible.
243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What can be done to stop loss sending to wrong bitcoin address on: December 10, 2019, 10:40:53 AM

The problem with sending btc to wrong addresses will continue forever,but there's a solution.
It's called "double checking the address before sending any BTC". Grin


This is the easiest as of now, but theoretically more comfortable would be the introduction of a system a bit similar to confirmation of transaction in banking apps by providing a code which is unique to a specific wallet address, so then in case of mistyping address transaction will not get through.

244  Local / Polski / Re: Jakie giełdy możecie polecić on: December 10, 2019, 10:15:06 AM
Zakładamy, że spora część podmiotów obracających krypto po najniższej linii oporu wyjdzie z rozwiązaniami tego typu przy złożeniu polecenia wypłaty:

"[ ] oświadczam, składając dyspozycję wypłaty środków na portfel zewnętrzny, iż jestem jego właścicielem, a środki na nim przechowywane nie będą używane w celach niedozwolonych prawnie pod groźbą sankcji przewidzianych przez prawo karne"

I dostawcom systemów płatności / bankom / itp. instytucjom finansowym takie oświadczenie będzie wystarczać?

Podmiotom związanym z płatnościami finansowymi nie, ale części operatorów portfeli i owszem, bo teoretycznie oni też trzymając się ducha nowych norm powinni weryfikować zarówno swoich użytkowników jak i identyfikować tych, do których wysyłane są krypto (analogicznie jak ma to miejsce w wypadku przelewów bankowych - już spotkaliśmy się z sytuacją, gdzie za sam tytuł przelewu bank potrafił zablokować konto do wyjaśnienia).
245  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: AML/KYC Explained on: December 09, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

I think people have lost confidence in KYC because the information was sold by different people and advertising and the like targeted them. That's the way the world could be.

But on the other hand, a company in the crypto industry right now without having a proper KYC will often not be able to accept any sort of payment, as banks/card providers would refuse to provide services to them.
246  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Taxation on: December 09, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
Crypto coins cannot be taxed due to their nature and anonymity. Although there are some centralized crypto currencies, no one prefers these crypto currencies just because they will pay taxes, so the states cannot receive taxes from these transactions. But there is a case that states can follow our accounts in crypto money exchange services and tax us on our income here. For this reason, it would not be very accurate to say that crypto moneys cannot be taxed, but they cannot be taxed.

Most of the cryptocurrency transactions can be tracked in blockchain (besides the private mode of anonymous crypto) - the more transactions you make on a single wallet, the easier it is. And of course, they can be taxed. In many countries, they (like all other goods you can invest in) are already taxed under income tax. And if you do not present the profits on your tax form, it is often a criminal offence to hide your profits as it is a clear example of tax evasion.

The only things which may not be clear enough are:
1) when the tax obligation arises - on the moment you sold the crypto, or in accordance with their value at the end of the year/fiscal year.
2) especially in case of people who own cryptocurrencies since the very beginning it may be hard to show to taxation authorities that the cryptocurrency is coming from a legal source (as in most cases there was no bill/invoice issued)
247  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Doers it matter what country you are in for wallet? on: December 09, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
Most online wallets will ask you for KYC and other such requirements.
I never know that online(web?) wallet need KYC, even blockchain doesn't need to do KYC to use it, except for exchange.
If you mean 'exchange wallet', that thing is not good to hold coins for long time.


It will start changing soon.
248  Local / Polski / Re: Jakie giełdy możecie polecić on: December 09, 2019, 04:12:02 PM
Dodałem też dwa słowa na temat szkodliwości i prawdziwych przyczyn wprowadzania weryfikacji KYC i polityki AML.

Dostawcy systemów płatności pierwsze co robią, to właśnie pytają się giełd i kantorów "a jakie są wasze normy KYC o ile mamy z wami współpracować", jeszcze przed właściwymi negocjacjami handlowymi.
Teraz przy FATF dodatkowo dochodzi kuriozalny element - konieczność weryfikacji także właściciela portfela, na który będą przesłane zakupione tokeny.

Pośrednio jest to cios w anonimowe kryptowaluty, ale także możliwe scamy. Oczywiście nie oznacza to, że nagle scammerzy przestaną istnieć. Po prostu cały proces będzie dłuższy i problematyczniejszy dla użytkowników. Zakładamy, że spora część podmiotów obracających krypto po najniższej linii oporu wyjdzie z rozwiązaniami tego typu przy złożeniu polecenia wypłaty:

"[ ] oświadczam, składając dyspozycję wypłaty środków na portfel zewnętrzny, iż jestem jego właścicielem, a środki na nim przechowywane nie będą używane w celach niedozwolonych prawnie pod groźbą sankcji przewidzianych przez prawo karne"
249  Local / Polski / Re: Ostatnie transfery na 1,210,000 BTC on: December 06, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
...jeden podmiot dysponuje co najmniej 9% wszystkich dostępnych BTC. Kogo obstawiacie?

Jak wiadomo najwięcej Bitcoin jest w rękach:

1. Satoshi Nakamoto - ma ponad 1,1 miliona bitcoinów.

2. Bułgarskie organy ścigania - przeprowadziły masowe naloty na zorganizowane podmioty przestępcze, co doprowadziło do zajęcia ponad 213 519 bitcoinów. Do czerwca ubiegłego roku,
    wartość BTC będących w posiadaniu władz bułgarskich wynosiła około 1,2 miliarda USD.

3. Federalne Biuro Śledcze - również jest jednym z najbogatszych posiadaczy bitcoinów na świecie. Od 2013 r. Biuro aktywnie likwiduje przestępczość zorganizowaną i przejmuje zasoby
    cyfrowe. Przykładowo, we wrześniu 2013 roku FBI zlikwidowało Silk Road. Tylko w tamtym czasie organizacja przejęła ponad 144 000 bitcoinów.

4. Cameron i Tyler Winklevoss - uważa się, że bliźniacy są obecnie właścicielami blisko 1% wszystkich bitcoinów, które aktualnie znajdują się w obiegu. Łączna wartość netto bliźniaków
    wynosi około 400 milionów USD.

Jako ciekawostkę dodam, że w artykule z którego wziąłem te informacje wymieniony jest jako numer pięć Gavin Andresen, którego w 2010 roku Nakamoto wskazał jako swojego następcę, ale ja nigdy nie słyszałem żadnych pogłosek na ten temat więc pominąłem go w tym zestawieniu.

Źródło: https://bithub.pl/rankingi/najbogatsi-z-najbogatszych-top-5-posiadaczy-bitcoin-w-2019-roku/

Do tego huobi też na jednym portfelu ma ponad 200 000 BTC, wg. Bitinfocharts.
250  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 06, 2019, 04:37:45 PM

This is the reputation of a state giving the value to the paper. The stronger the state (its economy being reliable etc.), the better the reputation its currency has. Remove that reputation and like the currency of Zimbabwe - banknote is worth less than a single leaf of a toilet paper.

Well not only that but the government can just declare your money useless, like what India did to its bills. The government can screw your money in various ways.

Exactly. They can even seize the physically existing store of value assets, like a bag of gems, golden coins or bars of gold. Another big advantage of cryptos, because you can make a cold wallet even from a piece of rock if you know how (and there are many guides on how to do so in existence). Even your own body can become one!
251  Local / Polski / Ostatnie transfery na 1,210,000 BTC on: December 06, 2019, 10:49:19 AM
Jak zauważyliście (szczególnie ci, którzy śledzą @whalealert na TT), wczoraj i dzisiaj ponad 1,2 miliona BTC był przetransferowany pomiędzy portfelami jako jedna/powiązane transakcje. Dla nas wygląda to jak rozbijanie dla celów bezpieczeństwa 1 portfela na kilka innych.

Biorąc pod uwagę, że ok. 4 mln BTC (z wykopanych do tej pory 18 mln) zostało utracone na dobre, oznacza to, że jeden podmiot dysponuje co najmniej 9% wszystkich dostępnych BTC. Kogo obstawiacie?
252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have there been any money laundering schemes that used cryptocurrency? on: December 06, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
I read some news in media about cryptocurrencies being used for money laundering, even for terorrism financing. How much of that is true or proven I don't know but it puts a bad light on cryptocurrencies. However, we need to have in mind that anonimity and lack of regulation contribute to misuse of cryptocurrencies but that is not characteristic only for crypto, fiat is abused too.

The money laundering/terrorism financing is much more a problem in regards to fiat currencies (especially US dollar) than cryptocurrencies as speaking of its size. We are speaking about (estimated) more than 1.99 billion USD in total per year. Out of which maybe 1-2% max is cryptocurrencies.
253  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 06, 2019, 09:58:41 AM

I think the answer here why there are still money being printed all around the world is because we all have a government running our country and this is there basis as a legal tender.

This is the reputation of a state giving the value to the paper. The stronger the state (its economy being reliable etc.), the better the reputation its currency has. Remove that reputation and like the currency of Zimbabwe - banknote is worth less than a single leaf of a toilet paper.
254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: U.S. In Danger Of Losing Position As World’s Capital Markets Leader on: December 05, 2019, 04:43:53 PM

Now on a serious note, the US has been trailing behind Europe when it comes to the speed of transactions for a while. And sometimes the whole system is making me wonder how you deal with it, from the no-chip CC to those goddamn checks.


And here some African countries had been way ahead of both Europe and the US when speaking of mobile payments.

Sometimes it might be actually easier to bypass few generations of infrastructure to use the latest solutions!
255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why would one pay $7K for Bitcoin if he/she can get the same thing for $0.001? on: December 05, 2019, 04:16:55 PM
The Original Post is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

Bitcoin is a mania, and the only thing that gives it value is what same greater fool will pay for it 🙈🙈🙈🙈


So are diamonds, gold and plenty of other forms of store of value. It is the reputation and trust making price to stay at such levels.
256  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 05, 2019, 11:15:33 AM
One currency can be a store of value only if you compare it against another currency which is subject to hyperinflation. But then, quite often the more stable currency becomes a parallel currency accepted statewide (you can see an example of that in eg. several African countries), even if it is not official.

Nevertheless, since all states abandoned gold/silver standard, they simply keep printing our more money, making a single unit of fiat currency worth less and less each year - this is why in some countries in Eurozone they do not produce coins with least value, and in shops, they all round up/down price to full 5 eurocents.

257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If she becomes a US senator next week, will Bitcoin thrive even more? on: December 05, 2019, 10:59:05 AM
If she will be able to create a draft bill and persuade big part of Congress, it could be helpful, but there is one thing - what would be in such bill? This is crucial because often content of legislation is a result of negotiations about clauses. So then it may be that "ok, we agree for X, but in exchange in this bill, there will be Y" - when Y would, for example, mean that you will need to file for a trading license for cryptocurrencies if your annual turnover exceeds $250k.
258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Were there attempts to create a thing like Bitcoin before Satoshi Nakamoto? on: December 05, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
As far as we remember, the original creators of XRP had been trying pre-2007 to try something a bit resembling decentralized virtual currency, but the project failed, as there was lack of trust among its users. For sure Satoshi was observing this project and included own conclusions in his own whitepaper.
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why would one pay $7K for Bitcoin if he/she can get the same thing for $0.001? on: December 05, 2019, 10:33:46 AM
I can understand the logic you are thinking, but I disagree

I can make a lot of reasons here to debate, but you have to understand just one thing:

Do you prefer 200 Venezuelan bolívar or 100 dollars?

You will have a higher number of money with bolivar, but these 200 bolivar only worth 20 USD

So you have to learn and think about VALUE



And value is an objective factor, depending on your needs and supply. Here is an example: a power generator normally can be worth 200 USD.
But in a place where there had just been a natural disaster and there is no electricity at all - its value can be 10 times bigger, as there is very limited access to such devices, while demand is soaring.
This is why in countries like Venezuela, or Iran the price of Bitcoin can be MUCH higher than what we see on coinmarketcap.
260  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Mobile hardware wallets - are they really worth the attention ? on: December 04, 2019, 04:58:17 PM
As many of you already know, for tomorrow there is scheduled a release of HTC EXODUS 1, which has a built-in cryptocurrency wallet, with specially built-in "secure enclave" system for the protection of that wallet.
Other variants of this model are as well cryptocurrency-friendly - one of them is capable of running a full BTC node.

Do you think such devices, like this HTC (or Samsung with its Note10 wallet), have a real potential for widening adoption and promoting BTC and other cryptos? Or maybe this is one of the many great ideas which will be quickly abandoned by the smartphone producers?
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