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241  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ on: April 05, 2024, 04:17:23 PM
People who didn't watch this game missed a lot that's what I can say the best for this one.  Grin  Both sides were like they swore an oath to not give up to the end of the game. Such a dedication they had by coming from behind. I don't think like Manchester United didn't deserve to win honestly. They also did but they were unlucky.

The very late goals for Chelsea devastated the Red Devils. Palmer's luck was also beside him on his last goal but I must admit that he had a superb performance in general.  Smiley  He is definitely the best transfer made by Chelsea in the recent times.
I had to attend to something else when I was going to watch, but I managed to view the highlights and the game was really tough. I knew it wouldn't be easy, and as I was watching, I noticed that the winning team was alternately flipping between the two teams at one point. The game was going wildly wide and even though Manchester United did not win, I was amazed with how tenacious they were. It began when Chelsea scored two goals, followed by Manchester United equalizing and adding one more. The last goal shocked everyone even Chelsea have lost hope of win, it was the most anticipated game. And people did actually enjoyed the game.
242  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: Technology a lasting solution to unemployed youths on: April 04, 2024, 06:41:19 PM
Yeah, technology has taken over almost everything, for the youths to be in line with the recent happenings and information we need to embrace technology, if not for technology, most of us won't be part of Bitcoin investment and other benefits.
Technology has diversity many things and individual hope has been rekindled because of technology, just imagine a world without technology, for me it will be a disaster for all, many people not only the youths are employed today because of the existence of technology, though there are things we must depend on the government for, like electricity, good internet service and enabling environment which will enhance the functionality of the technology, with this we are good to go.
Nigeria's problem is still getting worse; in other wealthy nations, things are far worse. And for that reason, we are facing a labor shortage certain jobs are already being eliminated, and technology is taking their place. And the only option they are leaving us with now is to embrace technology. Also, as the globe adopts, so do individuals, and bitcoin investments have created a large number of people who have given money to others. Bitcoin is similar to a wish come true in certain ways. Even as technology is important at the same they have there own disadvantages.  And those innovation you have mentioned have helped improve our lives. Just imagine not having light or even internet connection how will life be without phone we have to keep writing letters and other old ways of doing things. Good innovation.
243  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Quick way to learn bitcoin trading on: April 04, 2024, 05:04:02 PM
Never look for a short cut way to trade or make a profit from trading because a short cut way will never be good for your trading and profit from trading. The steps to success are difficult and those difficult steps need to be overcome with a lot of hard work. When you go from a single-story building to a two-story building, you have to climb the stairs in stages, but you cannot go from the bottom step to the top step. 

Those of us who are looking for short cuts must give utmost importance to how to trade properly and how to gain proper understanding of trading without looking for short cuts. If we are looking for short cut way then we will not know many common things which will cause us lot of loss after trading.
People are always looking for the simple route, which is why you will hear them tell you about crypto groups where you can receive signals. If you are not capable of handling things on your own, there is no reason to enter the trading world before you are prepared for the challenges. Accepting responsibility for your investment is preferable to searching for a quick fix.

We are aware that trading is difficult, but we are forced to do it in order to profit. Also, it involves more clever work. These are only necessary steps that need to be completed. Prepare yourself and effectively manage your time. And you even see people paying money for groups just to receive signals and majority of those groups are scams. And that is why they say seek knowledge then you can decide if you want to continue or not.
244  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: April 04, 2024, 04:38:39 PM
this opportunity comes when Man City is no longer like last season, it was very clear when several players had a decline in productivity as I said in the EPL thread and problems like this put a lot of pressure on Guardiola who had to face Real Madrid with more experience in the UCL.
It's not surprising that if you compare the experience, Real Madrid is much more experienced, having won the most titles in the UCL, but Madrid still has to be careful, even though Haaland has experienced a slight decline in performance, but there are several other players who must be wary of.
IMO, both teams will be equally wary of their respective mainstay players, such as Man City will focus more on seeing the movements of Vinic and Bellingham but Madrid will definitely focus more on the movements of Haaland and De Bruyne.
even if the two teams will not meet in the final round, this match will be a very interesting match.
Manchester City's struggles this season are evident; it's not that they're performing poorly; rather, it's just that after their incredible campaign last year, things haven't gone so well for the city. This could be because of the number of injuries they've had, which has affected their players' play. Additionally, they had less injuries last season than the previous one, and the perception of the English leagues is not entirely accurate. The productivity of Manchester city as dropped. Additionally, both of them have experience in the UCL, which is why Pep is concerned that the game is now between two professional teams. Even though Madrid has won more titles than anyone else, they are still struggling, but they are making an effort because they need to be cautious because Manchester City eliminated them from the league last season. Madrid really needs to be mindful of Haaland and De Bruyne those guys can be sneaky and they can end up surprising real Madrid if they are not careful.
245  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does gambling excites you ? on: April 04, 2024, 04:14:26 PM
If we are new to gambling, excitement is really what we feel but as time goes by, it is not fun anymore. As we can see, more gamblers are committing debts/loans, more gamblers are in the chase of their losses, and more gamblers become addicted and change their behavior. Excitement is not a bad thing to happen to us but what goes wrong is when we can't control our feelings anymore as this will lead to spending more time which is a common factor of addiction.

I'd reached that point a few years ago but I see the results were not good and changed my gambling habit. Maybe I can't control my gambling habit, I was certain the worst thing happened to me now (addiction).
People will see it as a place were they can get money from so they get excited and they will get serious, placing bet waiting to get lucky but when they see the amount of time and energy and money they have invested a lot of them will retrace their way and they will know how to gamble safely because over excitement can be dangerous so if you don't understand gambling on time then eventually you will turn addict and you might become part of those that need help. And all this things are driven by greed  before getting greedy think about the consequences of what you want to get your self into. And if you constantly check the amount your losing to gambling then you should know that its either you give it a break of even set limits on amount your using, there are measures that can help control your gambling. Gambling  can be sweet and the same time gambling can be disruptive.
246  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: April 04, 2024, 03:25:51 PM
Honestly, the match is not going to be easy; it is going to be a tough and interesting match, the way I am looking forward to it. So in this kind of game, anything can happen. It is very possible for any team to win, or probably the game should end in a draw. But check their head-to-head statistics record, and if I should judge based on that, Manchester United should be the favourite team to win, but recently Chelsea performance has improved and Manchester United form is not stable. That is the reason why I say the match will be difficult to predict, but if I want to bet on this type of game, I will just prefer to go for the option of both teams scoring because, from their recent meeting records, they always scored. 
They both will have a chance of winning it is going to be a good clash because both of them will want to prove who is better and that will make it an interesting match. The possibility of the game ending draw is high, and I still have a very strong feeling that one of them is going to win. Both of this club are trying to get there reputation back, Manchester United and Chelsea are both  in a shity condition but with the current position that Manchester United are occupying they will do better than Chelsea in this game looks like the condition of Chelsea is worst than that of Chelsea. From  the table we can see who is doing well and it is obvious that United at a better position of defeat. Just some few minutes. The game will begin and we are going to know who have improved either Manchester united or Chelsea, that way we can decide.
247  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: April 03, 2024, 05:27:55 PM
Today, they see Arsenal as such a favorite that the betting companies didn't even give odds on their win. Even the fact that Luton Town was in the relegation zone and urgently needed to gain points wasn't enough to give them a chance. Arsenal couldn't score many goals in the last matches, but they played against very strong opponents. This time, we may see a scenario like one of the old high-scoring matches against a weak opponent again. I expect a different Arsenal victory and they will be at the top even if they have one more matches again.
They know that Arsenal won't spare Luton Town and that is why they went ahead to give Luton Town 16 odd is that not funny they did not even given any regard to Luton Town at all do clubs like this even have fans because sorry to say I can not support clubs like this. Because they ain't serious and they don't want to invest in players, there is no way they are going to improve. And at the end of the day they will get relegated, because at this point there is no magic they can perform that they can defeat Arsenal. Arsenal as become brutal so they will definitely not go easy on Luton Town. For some time now Luton have been among the weak club. I love there courage because they won't give up and they belive they will meet up one day but for now they have to keep conceding the game will start soon I know they know there faith already.
248  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why technical analysis is not reliable on: April 03, 2024, 04:58:18 PM
You cannot be 100% certain by doing technical analysis or any other analysis. Through technical analysis or any other analysis we can only predict that the next movement of the market may go in a certain direction but we are not sure that the market will go in the same direction. Many times it is seen that the market goes in the opposite direction of what we predict by analyzing the technical analysis and the market chart well. Sometimes there is so much bad news in the market that usually our analysis does not work properly. If a candle is four to five times larger than the normal way the candle fluctuates, then the prediction we made will not be correct because the market will suddenly move much higher. So, if you can analyze it correctly, it may match the market changes to some extent, but not completely match your analysis.
Since nothing is 100% accurate, the only thing you can do if analysis doesn't work most of the time is try again later. We are all aware of the risks involved before we enter the trading world. Risk of perhaps losing your money. The market's movement can fluctuate because it occasionally reacts to news, which might alter the candles' entire structure and make predictions less successful. Traders also lose money as a result.

Furthermore, the analysis is meant to assist you stay on course and relieve you of the burden of making judgments because the market is never constant. People often struggle to decide what action to take, therefore one requirement for becoming a trader is being able to read the market and perform analysis. Only then can someone be referred to as a trader.
249  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: April 03, 2024, 02:11:52 PM
City v Aston Villa is going to be really interesting tonight, particularly because of how the first leg panned out, City lost 1-0, but it was by far their worst game of the season thus far, they were completely outplayed by Aston Villa and were very lucky to come out with just a one goal deficit. City players will definitely have that first leg game on their minds tonight and it could be extra motivation.

City must win tonight if they are to have any chance of catching up with Liverpool and Arsenal, i think if City fails to win tonight, it is over for them in the league. Having said that, Aston Villa also have ambitions of their own, and that is to make it to the CL next season, and so it is going to be really entertaining and City only have the edge because the game is at the Etihad.
You should be aware that Aston Villa will not be spared by Manchester City, and as things stand, Aston Villa poses little threat to the team as they have other crucial games approaching. And the outcome of this game matters to the city because, although it is not unprecedented for Arsenal to defeat Luton Town, Aston Villa can be difficult at times, Manchester City is far from lucky, and Madrid is waiting impatiently for their match to begin. And during that first leg Manchester City did not expect Aston Villa to come with such force they displayed and if City is not careful there is still chance of them losing this game. I will actually be very happy if they should lose this game. Every game is important for everyone at this point but Manchester City needs it more. It is left for them to decide if they want to win or not.
250  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: April 03, 2024, 01:36:54 PM
Actually I feel happy because I feel Man City are a bit worse than last year. This is because some core players like Gundogan left. But indeed Foden can replace the sling quite well but not as well as Gundogan. But it is quite difficult to determine who will win. Because these two teams are equally good. It's just that I always remember, Madrid always struggle if they meet a team that is strong in possession.
I feel exactly the same way. What irritates me is that Manchester City supporters constantly act as though their team is the greatest, but they forget that it's just a season. I'm confident that they won't win any trophies this season because Madrid will play well in the Champions League and Arsenal or Liverpool will play in the Premier League. They play against Madrid while grinning, but I know they're scared.

And as everyone is aware, their players are talented, and Foden is a young, skilled player who plays professionally. If you ask me, Madrid is the team I'm rooting for because they won't let Manchester City pass them by. Last season is not this season so the city should stop fooling there self Nothing for them this season.
251  Economy / Economics / Re: The benefits of risk taking on: April 03, 2024, 01:24:06 PM
I know is very difficult to take risk, but if you can be able to take it to improve your investment with a huge amount of money, you will definitely achieve what will make you to always take a risk in any investment to continue progressing in your investment. I noticed it from some investors who took a good risk in the right season, based on their personal research they carry out on a particular project before taking the risk but those who don't have the knowledge on a particular project will not bonder to carry out their research before investing, and such investors will not experience favourable income in their investment. Always take a good risk that will increase your wealth in the future, but don't take a risk that will hurt you in the future, so be wise in taking risks.
Since you are taking other risks if you are not taking risks to invest, we take risks even when we are not conscious that we are taking them. Rather than assuming more risks, why not just invest? You stand to gain or lose money in this endeavor. Progress and wealth comes with a huge responsibility. And not everyone will be ready or will want to carry that responsibility of taking risk people are getting tired of trying to survive and if you want to make money you must be ready to work hard. Research is one of the factors that help in building and solidifying your investment because you will be full of ideas of different kind. At some point or every other point you will know what to do. And Investors need to have a patient mind if not for that you will end up making decisions that will cost you.
252  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: Be cautious with your seed phrase. on: April 02, 2024, 09:18:43 PM
As a Bitcoin user, it's important to remember that you control your keys, and any mistake could lead to losing your funds. Many people unknowingly risk their funds by not securing their keys properly. That's why this forum teaches the correct ways to store your seed to prevent losses. Big investors have lost funds to hackers or by misplacing their seeds due to lack of knowledge. Storing your seed offline isn't enough it's essential to store it in multiple secure locations. Having copies of your seed in different places can protect you from unexpected events. As investors, safeguarding our funds should be a top priority.
Not your keys not your coin therefore if you carelessly retain your keys then you will lose assess to your assets. If you don't want to become victim of any type then. Because some things are to true to trust anyone that requests for your seed phrase don't have that right. So many people still don't know how important there seed phrase is untill maybe they lose it. Those that have good money in there wallet will take the security serious. But people still need orientation about how to keep there assets safe. And we no offline is not enough but online is worst because you can get hacked anytime anywhere. Even if offline have its on disadvantages it is still better than online. And having it in different places is still risky. So the thing is just that do what you know is best for you when keeping your seed phrase safe.
253  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin and it's holders in our society on: April 02, 2024, 06:06:37 PM
There are many countries in the world where Bitcoin is illegal but still a large number of people from those countries invest in Bitcoin and keep their investment for a long time. Many countries have IP bans of various exchanges, yet users continue to use those exchanges in alternative ways. I think investors who don't care much about whether bitcoin is legal or illegal in their country focus entirely on their investment.  Maybe an investor can openly discuss his investments in countries where Bitcoin is officially sanctioned, but people in countries where Bitcoin is not sanctioned may invest in Bitcoin very secretly and hold it for a long time. Our focus is investing and holding investments so investors stay focused on their investments.
people don't even care again whether it is legal or not people will continue to invest and if you look at if not that anyone is using Bitcoin illegally no one will arrest you because you are investing in bitcoin, I don't think have seen such news anywhere,  even with an IP ban and the rest people will still find ways to access their assets so there is still limited to the government stopping investors from investing in bitcoin, and instead of the government encouraging people since it acts as a method of payment it might help in recovering the value for countries that are having currency devaluation, this are things that can bring revival to the economy.  people who had bitcoin banned still invest and why will I hide because am investing in bitcoin? do you think the way it is comfortable for you in your country? the goal is to hold for a long time and nothing more profiting than that.
254  Other / Off-topic / Re: How can we help beginners not to get addicted on: April 02, 2024, 05:44:14 PM
To help beginner gamblers avoid addiction:

1. Education: Provide comprehensive information about the risks and realities of gambling, including the potential for addiction.


people's minds are fixed on money, especially those who are gambling, and some of them will not even listen to you when you want advice they will tell you what your business is, but for those who will listen, there is a lot of risks when it comes to gambling, and the potential of even get addicted can ruin anyone so like they say let those who have ear listen to the dangers of getting to deep is to risky.

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2. Set Limits: Encourage setting strict limits on time and money spent on gambling activities.

and that is what kills a lot of us we do not have a budget for what we can afford to lose aside from that, setting limits means you place a bet beyond, and no one will call you an addict if the right measures are taken because I will call, limit measure, gambling can make you spend all your money, you will even spend and even borrow because people that gamble are use to borrow especially when they get addicted.

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3. Responsible Gambling Tools: Promote the use of responsible gambling tools such as self-exclusion programs, deposit limits, and reality checks.
just have a budget for what you are gambling because it is a tool and when you don't cross your monthly budget then you are gambling safely that is the challenge some people are facing they don't have a budget and they don't even care to have one, don't believe what can not happen, people that gamble a lot can make all manner of planning on there potential win and that is why they are always wanting to gamble more.

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4. Support Systems: Offer access to support groups, counselling services, and helplines for those struggling with gambling addiction.
if you notice you are going out of control then talk to people about your condition or seek help from a therapist and counseling service as suggested it will help from becoming an addict because if you keep it to your self then you will continue to be a slave to it because every addict needs help they always can not help them self, once they start attending therapy section they feel better and will become more responsible. 

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5. Encourage Balance: Emphasize the importance of maintaining a balanced lifestyle with diverse interests and activities beyond gambling.
keeping yourself busy will help also hang out with people and avoid those that gamble because most times when you are close to those that are gambling you might also want to gamble and that is one of the reasons you choose who you move with at that particular time.
255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: April 02, 2024, 04:40:18 PM
I'm slightly disappointed in Man City and feel like they wasted great opportunity to prove they're the best in the league. They played against Arsenal too carefully, almost as if they were satisfied with a draw.
City dominated in possession and in shots on goal, but something was missing. It was not half as exciting as everyone expected it to be.
Now the Liverpool has moved to a position of a favourite to win the league with odds of x2.20. But there's still a lot of games to play and anything can happen.
am happy the game ended that way Manchester City took us to be a joke and we showed them what we are made of and the fact nobody was unable to score is fine by me because the kind of comment the fans of Manchester City were making all manner of comment saying that they will beat us hands down, but look at what happened at the end of the day it was a draw game they could not even win us and we won them during the first leg, is not that they played carefully they were just not allowed to score and I was even satisfied with that, and a lot of people would have bet on that game and giving city a straight win and they are eventually disappointed. everyone is excited to see the outcome of the premier league.


Manchester City played very well but it wasn't their best game, they're also right for not going full out on Arsenal because Arsenal could take advantage of any opportunity they get to get a goal then it'll be Manchester city chasing the game instead of controlling the game. The way they played they dominated and had the game in their hand but couldn't get a finishing product to take all points. Arsenal also didn't play to their full strength because they allowed Manchester city to decide the game. Arsenal has also missed a chance to have more advantage at the top of the table. Liverpool won't stay there long because they're not the club to win the league this season. The title will be decided between Manchester City and Arsenal therefore any of them that wants the title more will have to prove that they are the rightful team to win the title by playing better than they have been playing in the past matches.

both of them played well I will give them that credit because if you look at it the game was important for both of them, if any of them had won they would be the ones topping now but both of them got unlucky, and it was just Liverpool that got away they are the one currently topping the table and look like this season might just be for Liverpool we can not say but the drag between Manchester city and arsenal is much. arsenal was playing a defensive game and they wanted to stop Manchester City from winning by all means. and it was a good strategy adopted, and the game-ending draw was the best.
256  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we should prioritize investment over saving on: April 01, 2024, 03:19:54 PM
I think that investment and savings are equally important - investment as growing assets in the future, and savings as an emergency fund/short term goal. So a person must be able to have these two things, because they are quite important. However, if they can't, they can choose to build their savings first, because savings are emergency funds or short-term goals that will really help the person. Even though it will be exposed to inflation, I don't think it's too significant - another solution is they could save in gold to overcome this.
They each have a function to perform in our lives. Their modes of operation differ, and people occasionally save to invest, but not these days. The economy's poor performance makes it appear harder to invest in; as commodity prices rise, so does inflation. So, the financial system is evolving. Bitcoin's invention allows you to save and invest at the same time, as well as save in other currencies. And when it comes to emergency you can take money out of your savings. Working with the two of them is not necessarily a bad idea. And having savings does not happen till you have millions. Something tiny can also be saved to address whatever difficulty you are facing at the time.
257  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Some Crypto investor beginners are acting professional impacting wrong knowledge on: March 30, 2024, 10:19:22 PM
Crypto is modern era technology and generally people used to show off to people when they have no knowledge about it and that's why newbies try to educate the people even when they didn't know anything in deep. We can't decide what others actions will be so it's our responsibility to verify the provided information is right with our own research which doesn't even take that long to find credibility of it.
Everyone wants people to know that they are a crypto trader and those are the kind of people who are always misleading people into making wrong decisions they won't tell people the truth and the risks behind them going into investing in crypto.  and that is when you see people coming to comment about how they lost money investing in Bitcoin but at the end of the day the mistake was from those who introduced them. If someone is introducing you do your research the internet is full of information you can get anywhere. so that you do not blame anyone. so that you don't have to blame anyone for anything.  And since everyone is looking for the easy way they don't want to learn but they want to make money and those two things work hand in hand money and learning no learning no earning.
258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to store your seed phrase? on: March 30, 2024, 08:54:51 PM
Every method has advantages and disadvantages, no method is 100% perfect and depending on each person, there will be a method that suits them.

True that all methods might have their advantages and disadvantages but they should still be offline because anything connected to the internet is open to hacking and it is more risky than keeping it offline. we know we are all trying to play it smart and soft by keeping it online it is dangerous, and if it is about playing it smart then you can get a flash and save it there with a password you can remember there ways to keep it safe.

Absolutely agree. Everyone needs to find his own way to store the seed phrase. There are many ways. I recommend the following (must not mean I do it):
- If you are good in memorizing things, then learn your 12 or 24 words. This is easier then you thing. Repeat this over days and weeks until you can get the seed in your sleep. Similar to a poem or prayer that you have learned once and can do for your whole life.
- For extra security (in case a rock hits your head), engrave the seed into a metal plate and hide, bury or store it in a safe place. The metal plate should be safe against water, fire and other influences.

But if anyone is looking for ways to store it better some consultations can be made, so that you do not make the mistake of saving it the wrong way, I don't think memorizing it will be a good option for me, because at the end of the day, I might mix it up or later forget some so I feel like my memory will fail me. like that other guy said all methods have their disadvantages because you can forget. instead of this, I will maybe save it in the bank for safety keeping i can decide to claim it anytime I wish to claim it. it is information that needs to be kept away from people, if anyone gets hold of it then they have been given access.
259  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The person who can’t control emotions in gambling will never earn money from it on: March 30, 2024, 08:32:02 PM
Well, I'd never say they won't have the chance to earn money but if we think about earning huge it seems impossible and I say why. This is because losing control of our emotions affects the entire thing - decision-making and behavior.

But let us think about this - the truth about gambling is that our minds have been manipulated. Once we gamble, we already think about winning, and once we lose, we still hope for the next next bet to get lucky until it reaches the point that no money is left in our pocket. That is why it is a big mistake to think that gambling could help us grow our money because that is certainly impossible.

At the moment we lose control of ourselves, and that is also the moment we lose hope of winning because what is in our is desperation and the chase of our losses.

The best advice I can give in gambling is to not chase the money because, in the quest of chasing money, you will lose, earning big in gambling is only for the few.  so if you are not part of the few then you should just abandon it because you won't get money from it and you will be losing money at the same time. and if you can control your emotions then you are lucky because people get so excited when gambling you will always want to gamble, and that is one of the reasons that many people are in debt because they are just too desperate to win. we always look for ways to get greedy we always set our expectations to high before winning.

Have control of yourself because if you don't get control of yourself then your emotions will control you and you will even want to gamble every day so control it is not a must that you gamble every day.
260  Other / Off-topic / Re: Can family members help a gambling addict? on: March 30, 2024, 06:28:01 PM
Once the addict is incapable of helping himself, it is always the direct family member, a brother or sister who would always wanna be with him. When it's your blood, you would also not give up on them. That's the bond between brothers and sisters. Especially the parents, they are always going to be there regardless of how bad the situation of the son is, the mother and father could not afford to abandon him.
A lot of people find it difficult to help their self only a few people will see that they can help themselves, the best thing that can happen is that when things are getting out of hand then they can help the person through the therapy section and also get them a job so that when they are busy they won't even have the time to gamble their attention will be on there work addiction have ruined a lot of people so the earlier it is attended too, I have heard of stories of people even selling their property to gamble that is the extent that gambling addiction can drive you to. let us watch our family members closely, especially the ones that gamble to know whether they need help or not, so that it does not even get to the extent of them committing suicide. family will always be family and they will always have our back.
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