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901  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 28, 2023, 11:10:02 AM
Based on the results so far in the pre-season match, show that Real Madrid will go far in this la Liga league competition and other competitions too because their new players they signed in has displayed some skills that is giving the fans hope that the team will not end up like last season. I thought, Manchester united will defeat Real Madrid with many goals in the pre-season match but it was a shock that the match ended up 2-0 for the favour of Real Madrid, and it made Manchester united coach to feel bad about their strikers displayed in the match. Real Madrid will definitely achieve title from this season because their manager is very ready to sign more potential players in this summer.

Real Madrid has always been successful; they have a track record of winning trophies, and winning La Liga is not particularly difficult because there aren't as many severe opponents as in the Premier League and Champions League. Losing points can cost you your position on the table, and to some extent, Madrid is doing very well for themselves. and the only serious opponent Madrid is having is Barcelona and I noticed something with most of these clubs, once they are playing more than one league the workload tends to increase in a way and only a few Clubs like manchester city can manage well in such situations. some players will display well once they are signed in but along the line, they start losing taste, and I am sure Real Madrid will want to win La Liga.
902  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed on: July 28, 2023, 09:33:40 AM
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would you prefer to own a luxury watch or invest in bitcoin?
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Things you should know about money mindset
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Economic problem, why is fiat difficult to hold 
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Emotion and Trade? 
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Fix the money, Fix the world.
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903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 28, 2023, 08:44:58 AM
Manchester City decides not to sell Bernardo Silva this summer and they asking to Silva to stayed at this team at least until season 2024 ended and Silva has no objections to Manchester City's wishes although actually he want to look for new challenge and previously Silva almost moved to Barcelona and reported whether it Silva or Barcelona has personal agreement but recently Manchester City has decide to hold him because they still needed his service especially after lost Gundogan and Mahrez Manchester City feel they don't want to losing more midfielder players anymore besides that Manchester City feel they still unable to get a replacement who has the same quality as Benardo Silva

Bernardo Silva is one of the key players at manchester city and he is known for his talent and features such as Silva is renowned for his versatility, dribbling, creativity, and stamina letting him go now will be a severe loophole for manchester city, the Portuguese player has been recognized the be a key player of manchester city and let him go now won't favor, and I don't Bernardo will also want to leave manchester city, in my opinion, manchester city in its best position to accommodate such talent, am not feeling Barcelona right now good for him that he has decided to stay with manchester city, true after losing Gundogan and Mahrez and losing silva will put the club in a terrible position.
904  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'll always tell people about bitcoin on: July 28, 2023, 07:26:31 AM
You are a really brave person, and for sure you'll still haven't encountered a person who keeps blaming you. You introduce him because you know there are kinds of people whose mindset is to blame anyone when they lose, etc., and I want to avoid this kind of person as it affects me a lot and I'm not comfortable with it. Though it is your choice, which is still good, and that is what you prefer, we won't stop you about this as you really want to help others.

In situations like this, the best way to avoid being blamed is to explain how unstable Bitcoin can be. This is where many people introducing Bitcoin go wrong they keep portraying Bitcoin as if it continuously generates profits with no losses if you are introduced into a business with this pattern, you will undoubtedly enter it, and if anything should go wrong, you will undoubtedly blame who introduced you. I also enjoy introducing Bitcoin just that I will tell you everything and allow you to make a choice yourself, and also tell you about the security and other basics, in my opinion, we should make everything plain while explaining Bitcoin.
905  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023 on: July 27, 2023, 01:04:43 PM
The Super Falcons will go head to head against Australia in today's fixture and we're expecting to see a different ball game from the Falcons after getting a draw in their last game against Canada. In today's game the Australian team won't stand a chance against the Falcons, with the Australian team having injury issues, is going to be a huge disadvantage for them (Australia female team). No matter the odds which is against the Falcons with Australia as the favorite in winning this game, I feel the Super Falcons are getting all 3pts to be second on the log.

The Super Falcon has played well for some time now and has been the one making the nation proud compare to the Egles, and their game against Australia ended 3:2 and during the game, I was just too sure that Australia wont win or draw the game against falcon, even at some point they started getting serious even in terms, having two 2x of ball possession,  and another thing I noticed again is that to some extent if falcons have underestimated them, then they would have been left to blame, the Australian players would have taken advantage of the situation, they also performed greatly I was just to certain about falcons victory.
906  Economy / Economics / Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society' on: July 27, 2023, 12:44:22 PM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.
The only thing that can happen in this case is a situation, the collaboration between the government and private sector on issues like this is actually a very risky one, the only thing I can advise is that the government should be in full control of programs. private organization having control of such tech can be a threat to the government and society, and also the functionality of the tech also matters, there are techs that are a great help to humanity, even in the health sector in China they use tech to perform surgery and also in restaurants projects like that can be considered, once the functionality is examined they it can be approved or licensed.


I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.

I can remember in some movies where private organization research and projects will later become a threat to the people, I think there is an organization in the government that is put in place just to inspect anything concerning tech, and we really need to start slowing down in this aspect of tech, since the era is changing to that of tech, a lot of people are losing their jobs since technology is already replacing people and cutting cost on labor.

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There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence
Don know are true this is, about the government not having, bodies to restrict some particular project? and if bodies like that don't exist then polices should be initiated.
907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 27, 2023, 11:44:46 AM
It was a really great show by Arsenal against Barcelona indeed. Even though it was a friendly game they seemed really determined to beat their opponent. I feel like we are going to watch a really strong Arsenal this season. I just hope to see them being consistent throughout the season. They were so close to becoming the champions the last time but inconsistency on the final weeks finished them off.

There are quite many talented players in the squad now. There is a lack of experienced player though so I hope it doesn't become a serious problem for them. I'm curious about how good they can balance the Premier League and Champions League as well. The expectations should be higher for sure.

That's the problem with Arsenal they will start well and at the end of the day they will start fucking up, since we can not judge a book by its cover we don know what Arsenal is cooking and I was really impressed with the match arsenal winning 5:3 it was entertaining, I love the arsenal so much, lets wait and see the out come of the season, arsenal has been one of the best clubs with good potential, but they can be so reluctant sometimes, epessially what they did in the premier league, and they have very good players especially saka that's my favorite he always know how to take advantage of situation and with arsenal having 20 shots and barca having 9 this season is going to be hot, arteta really needs to work more on his strategies, aside having good players how they are used to matters a lot.
908  Economy / Economics / Re: Things you should know about Money mindset on: July 26, 2023, 01:42:15 PM
Your mindset about money matters are all correct OP, but one thing I have in my mind is that you will never earn money if you will never work for it. Though it comes everywhere and even unlimited, but it will never happen if you don’t motivate yourself to work and create a goal for yourself so that you will never be lazy and dependent to others when it comes to money matters. Yes, internet also offers vast opportunities to earn money but if you don’t have the skills suited on your online job, you will never be capable to earn money.

you won't earn if you don't work is correct, depending on the nature of the work again, because some work involves plenty stress whereas some just involve a little amount of stress and you earn well, nature of the job matters, I always tell my friends as far as you are ready to work then you will earn and even if it is not that much, at least the money can serve as sustenance, we all know how difficult it has become to even get a job and more depressing how the bills are more than earning, earning from the internet has great opportunities but are limited to some countries.

There are so many places nowadays to be able to make money either online or offline, but it all comes back to each of us to the desire to work and have money, it's true that money is not everything in life, but what you have to know is that everything has to be with money nowadays and we have to have more motivation to work and have money to meet all our needs.
I think someone's mindset about money will be different, and we all have our own goals and motivations to do everything to make money.

so many but the policies are not even favorable to their users only very few are flexible, anything online is easy but the problem now is that the simplest things are the most difficult,  Grin even with motivation, there are times you don't want to work, the best we can do is work to make a means and rest when necessary, there are people that always work without rest, work or earning does not stop us from resting, mindset matters a lot, been a money minded person its good and a very great motivation on its own cause when you stave you will definitely stand up to get something to do starving is another motivation on its own. the situation of the economy will just discourage you on its own.
909  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why Crypto may go wrong for some people on: July 26, 2023, 11:53:56 AM
Investing in crypto currency is not right for those people who know nothing about investing and only think about the positive aspects of investing. Maybe the person currently has money, so he is thinking of investing his money only to increase his money, but he does not think that if he invests, he can increase his money as well as lose it. There are some people who don't like to take risk and for those people it is better not to invest in crypto platform. If there is a tendency to take risks, thinking about investing without having a good understanding of the market, getting anxious if the money is slightly damaged, those who have such qualities should not invest in these platforms investing in these platforms will not be a good decision for them.

Since con artists are skilled at persuasion, they will always try to make you look bad in order to take advantage of the situation. This is why people are falling victim to scams simply because they lack knowledge and are unwilling to conduct research. As a result, even when you keep warning people to stop investing in projects they don't understand, they continue to be interested in the potential profit. As you mentioned in terms of understanding the market, there are different strategies that favor different people; you can do daily trading and also stake whatever suits everyone after research. Dealing with cryptocurrencies has to do with a number of factors that people don't understand about investing, such as the fact that as you calculate the profit you should also take the loss into consideration. This is because they forget that every business has its risk, and some risks might just favor them since it's a 50/50 thing. and be that the might is not stable we all need to be smart.
910  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 26, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
We are not sure yet, maybe Mbappe is just doing that to make his team spend more for him and increase his salary. Right now are see much news about PSG wanting to increase the salary of Mbappe and keep him in the team for the next season. That's why they did it the last time and it's not surprising to see the same story.

And this might be another strategy for Mabappe just as you have said to make them increase his pay, since he's an asset to the club, I remembered when Real Madrid was interested in him, he eventually disappointed them, and Madrid would have improved his career but since the young man his only interested in money and since he knows the weakness of the club he his trying to take advantage of them to make more money since the boy his good he also wants to take advantage of his age since he his very young and if he keeps disappointing, clubs just to take advantage of his club that's very bad on his reputation, am getting tired of this Mbappe habit, he still wants to enjoy the benefits of PSG and feels insecure if he leaves were will he starts from let us see weather he will stay or not.

and it might be possible
Mbappe's salary has been increasing a lot. PSG's new contract may also increase it tho. The problem is mbappe doesn't wanna stay in the club. The money from al hilal was very big at this moment. Mbappe's ego makes everything become very complicated at this moment. The story in the past will not happen again right now. We shall wait for what's gonna be the result of the deal between mbappe and al hilal. Mbappe wants a lot of money and al hilal will give it. The choice was on mbappe's hand.

I would call him as dumbest player if he will be rejecting hilal's offer. The same offer will not come for twice. Mbappe must try to take the deicision regarding his future as soon as possible. It has been rumored if barcelona is making intervention in this transfer.

I would have loved for him to go to a better club to build up his career, the aspect of having an ego is true, he has earned himself some respect, and his insecurity of not getting privilege in other clubs is what the young man is scared about. look at what we are talking about the young man is concerned about money, rather than building his career. the ball is in his court whatever he wants to do he should do. the story of Mbappe is becoming funnier and how his state of dilemma is actually selfish. forgetting that a great name can actually earn him some good money, look at the story of Messi and Ronaldo they made a good name and now they don't even perform very well but are making good money out of their names, he should think well before making any decision.
911  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 26, 2023, 08:49:34 AM
Quote from: rendravolt
Some time ago there were rumors that Kyle Walker would leave Manchester City and join Bayern Munich. But Pep Guardiola has stated that he hopes Kyle Walker can stay in Manchester City and we are even ready to fight to keep him so that no club can touch him. I think Pep Guardiola's actions were very appropriate to retain Kyle Walker and if we think his role is still very important in maintaining the defense of Manchester City.

Kyle Walker is a right-back with incredible pace and if he were to leave, who would replace him? even in the champions league against Vini, he was the one who managed to stop him and in the England national team he also managed to stop Mbappe at that time. So I think now Kyle Walker has more of a role to stop players at high speed because he is able to keep up with these players.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683776160998596608

Since it is still uncertain, Pep made comments regarding Kyle Walker in which he emphasized the player's importance to the team. Pep also stated that if the negotiations between Manchester City and Bayern Munich proceed smoothly, the cost of the transaction for Bayern should be around 13 million euros.  And how intriguing that Kyle left Tottenham without any trophies, but that he is now 33 and had at one point won 14 titles.in manchester city, I've always believed that players' ages tend to catch up with them, but after watching Kyle play for Manchester City, I'm certain that age is more related to personality than anything else. Pep the Man will definitely find a way to replace Kyle if he were to go. Kyle has good potential, especially in terms of speed. Furthermore, the choice should be made promptly because the season will begin soon.


I don't think, Pep Guardiola will allow Kyle walker to leave the team in this summer, because he is among the Pilar that made Manchester city a strong team, which the Manchester city coach is aware of it through the concluded premier league competition last season, that is why the coach is doing everything possible to make him to enjoy the benefits of his performance by retain Kyle walker. If Kyle walker by mistake leave Manchester city, it will be difficult for Manchester city to get a potential defender like Kyle walker that will make the team function like the way they function to embraced many titles last season. If Kyle walker will still play for Manchester city this season, I believe Manchester city will still display well to remain champions through out the tournament.

Have also considered Pep not allowing Kyle to leave at this time when the season is about to start, as it would not be in the club's best interests. Moreover, Manchester City benefits from everyone playing their position well, and his playing Defender - Right-Back is a very good opportunity for the city not to leave him, so this is not even the right time to lose him. Instead, Manchester City will be the best place for him to stay given the benefits he is receiving and the accomplishments. I hope they don't lose him for whatever reason because certain talent is simply better left alone if they are tempted, then there is a problem. For example, if one part of the body is sick, the entire body will be impacted. In football, if one section gets sick, then it will undoubtedly damage the entire structure. and like you said if he plays well this season then the benefit is manchester city to enjoy.
912  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Learning Instead of Signals on: July 25, 2023, 12:12:28 PM

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I will advise you to return to the books so that at least when you get signals you can decide what part to take. There are books that give you good knowledge on technical analysis studying does book might profit you in comparison to always depending on signals you get from platforms. This image has explained everything in the Bitcoin ecosystem, especially when it comes to trading. Many people failed to learn instead they depend on signals, and the interesting part is how some people spend good money to get signals, Especially in Telegram groups, I've received invites, but I'd rather add knowledge than chase signals because that may lead to getting scammed, which is bad for business. Even the danger of heeding some warnings carries the potential for financial loss. I see how people run to signals and if you are comfortable with your signals also consider adding knowledge to for does wanting to trade.  from contributions that will be given you, we can all learn together.
913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 25, 2023, 11:51:11 AM
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MU doesn't even have money to buy hojlund which worth around 80 millions and how can manchester united buy Kane from totenham? It's an impossible thing to happen. Totenham is still waiting for the decision from kane. Kane already reached a personal agreement with bayern but he was much more interesting in moving to the manchester united instead of bayern. Bayern is still finalizing the deal with spurs about kane's fees. Bayern can't afford to pay 100 millions for him.
The club wants Spurs to lower their price for Kane to under 10 million, but it's unlikely since Spurs want to make a lot of money by selling Kane. The situation is still remain unclear at this moment. I hope kane will try to decide it as soon as possible. The kane's price has been preventing manchester united to make its first bid for him. There are some signals that if kane has a higher chance to join in bayern rather than manchester united.

And spending 80 million for Hojlund should be reconsidered, I don't think manchester united can spend that amount of money currently, and also see Chelsea also have an interest in him and back to Kane is an excellent player and the way manchester united is operating the transfer window is a very strategic move and I feel they will definitely do well, and since the price tag is already, just that Kanes age will start acting on him very soon, Even so, he is still a very good player who is still under a lot of pressure; I have no doubt that he will improve. Let's wait and see if the Kane fees bidding is shortly to be finished. Spurs will undoubtedly want to make money, and since football has two faces—entertainment and money—to maintain equilibrium and to sustain all club activities, let's wait and see how everything turns out. this season coming season is going to be though on everyone.
914  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My easy way to teach your kids bitcoin. on: July 25, 2023, 10:35:03 AM
That is the closest best we could do for the kids and let them understand how it works or what it is. One thing about the today’s generation, they learn very fast! They are techies and they love to have their phones with them whenever they are having dinner or lunch or if they are crying!! I know not the best practice but it is the new normal for today’s generation and today parents too. If anyway they are going to watch it then it’s best to have cartoons that are knowledge based and teach something to them all the time. A cartoon series based on Bitcoin being the lead character is definitely breakthrough. We just need budget and bitcoin friendly director to get started.  Smiley

That is true, children learn very fast, and the fact that they are still children is still there, in terms of making decisions children can be reckless I think emotional maturity should be considered, even if you want to introduce them to Bitcoin, the fact that they are intelligent there age should also be considered, I don't think I have come across any age requirement for going into bitcoin but as for me personally, I will consider the age before introduction. okay, another point is an introduction before the operation is the best and the idea you gave about using cartoons and comics will help they gain the knowledge gradually then when they get to a certain stage they can start operating in the network and getting information from does knowledge will make it easier for them to operate. with ideas like this, they will not find it boring at all, since children love pictures.
915  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Abuse ... on: July 24, 2023, 01:58:12 PM
I do agree that perhaps for others it's pure entertainment, specially if the they can afford the money that they will lose in the game. However, gambling itself is already bad in the beginning, as you can go and become an addict.

And admit it or not, some gamblers, really wanted to win big and that's why they are willing to take that risk when the money in their hand. Specially those who are really in need of money, most of them are going to casino to hit that one big jackpot that will chance their lives.

To me I think is pure entertainment for me and aside from that one I caution myself very well from being an addict, once it gets to the level of addiction you start spending serious money but once it is for fun it pays, how hilarious bro have you placed a bet and see the potential win you will be triggered to play continuous, looking at the fact that money is involved, and like you said once you really in need of money, you start imaging different means of getting money and you start spending money you don't have in your head, and the bad condition of the economy has made people hunting for money by all means.
916  Economy / Economics / Re: I cannot go home if I don't make a lot of money now!! on: July 24, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
The pressure of ensuring that we have the money to provide for our family is truly difficult to deal with specially during times when we can't do much. I know OP is desperate to earn for their family but it will be more difficult to do something illegal and be held accountable for that as all opportunities to earn and make money for your family will all be gone. So the bottom line here is -- work hard.

The primary purpose of making money is to feed, I sat down and consider a lot of things imaging having shelter and not having money to eat imagine what it will look like, I have done some research and have noticed that opportunities to earn have become very limited, which have even lead to the increase of crime rate in most capital cities everyone wants to make money by all means, the nature of how difficult things has become am still not justifying, the fact that it is wrong, sometimes when it comes to finance I become speechless, we have even gotten to the stage were calculation no longer work again, the money is never enough.
917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you quit that's when you lose! on: July 24, 2023, 10:26:05 AM
People quit in some points, they do not want to play anymore because they win a lot and the other way is they lose a lot of money, it's not bad about quitting that's the part you think that you already an excessive player that consumes a lot of time and money, its ideal if you think you are already gambling addict by yourself and there's a lot of people affected with your decision making. If you lose accept the fact that those money cant take back. Move on and try another life don't get discourage because of those losses not all the time its the answer to your money problems. Sometimes being responsible in life is the best part.

In most situations have seen someone quitting when they have wasted enough money and time, eventually down on money and owing different people then they will start considering how to quit, which is a very difficult thing, the belief I noticed with addicts is that they keep having a strong belief of winning, and if they eventually get a win then they get more encouragement to play more and will start seen gambling has an empowerment program, forgetting that the more you win the more you lose more money, Regarding the argument that it is for entertainment purposes and money, I believe that others simply have their own perspectives on the matter. Considering that gambling can be both enjoyable and unpleasant, it is best to proceed with caution.

918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 24, 2023, 10:05:24 AM
Liverpool had a really bad season in general but they managed to collect themselves after a point. It wasn't enough to make it to top 4 maybe but it was still a solid progress. At least they didn't finish the league with big doubts like Tottenham and Chelsea. I will be expecting Liverpool to put even more effort into their game by this season.

There have been really good additions to the midfield like Mac Allister and Szoboszlai. Klopp has signaled that he will continue to make more transfers as well. Technically he needs to do that because Henderson and Fabinho are both leaving the team. There will be a need to make more transfers to the midfield.
I know everyone expected Liverpool to perform better, to some extent finishing fifth on the table is not that bad, but looking at the status they carry is not that bad compare to that of Chelsea, and am still very sure they won't do anything better am very sure of that, the club that got me annoyed is still Chelsea after spending so much money to buy players even to the extent of must of there players don't even have space in there dressing room and sacking potter was not the best option for me doh. and  Fabinho is actually a great player and his leaving Liverpool will have a great impact on their performance.




Did you know that Liverpool's performance will be impacted by Henderson and Fabinho's absence? I believe the answer is yes because this player is one of the best on the team. Without good players, the team's performance will be very poor, even though I am unable to judge the team's performance given that Sadio Mane's departure caused them to finish in the top four of the Premier League. Now that they are about to lose another player, this will have an impact on Liverpool's performance in the upcoming season.

The 2023/2024 premier league will be more thrilling and unexpected because the Chelsea team, which many other teams were defeating in any case during the 2022/2023 season league, has grown stronger in preseason games. However, if it is true that Chelsea are in a better position to play the premier league very well, then there will be a significant challenge.


Henderson and Fabinho's absence has been a great player for some time now and if they don't have an experienced player to fit in there positions then the club will defiantly suffer from there absence and last season was not that sweet for Liverpool so imagine even with them how it will look like, if not for some players leaving Liverpool have such great players, 2023/2024 premier league will come with great surprise, plenty clubs will play well am sure of that.

919  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think selling your property is better than taking loan? on: July 23, 2023, 09:46:04 PM
If I need some funds in an emergency,I will definitely take a loan if I can afford it. I can take the loan in other ways if I have assets then I can take the loan by mortgaging them. Basically in this era people do not want to do anything without self-interest. But before taking a loan,you must think and act because if I sell my assets,what will I have to do next? Yes, if the problem is too big,then I can sell my assets. Borrowing is not a good thing either. And if you sell your assets then you will have to move towards more debt in the future.

The nature of the problem will determine what step i will take but I don't think it will get to the extent of selling my property, taking loan is better and paying gradually, is not worth it selling off my assets, so all is strategy, If you don't have a good strategy in life, you've failed the number one survival lesson. And lastly  the decision is personal if the person  wants to sell is asset to settle issues then no problem and if he wants to take loan no problem everyone will do what will favour him or her.
920  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 23, 2023, 04:32:46 PM
Last season was full of surprises in the Champions League except Manchester City's championship.  Grin  To be honest Manchester City's making it was also surprising from a different point of view. They won the title for the first time in club history in the end which was the surprise. Otherwise they have been favoured for it highly for many years already.

The main surprises were to see Inter and Milan both in the semi finals. They were lucky to have a draw against each other there though. Because if both of them faced teams like Manchester City and Real Madrid in that stage the chance of their making it to the finale would have been lower.

But this tournament gets even more beautiful when we see different teams in the final stages as well. It becomes more intriguing to follow.

I don't think the surprises were only for the champions league but also in the premier league everybody nobody would have believed that Arsenal will win the premier league and they fucked up along the line, and manchester city has taken advantage of all situations, and been the first time of winning the champions league, what got me angry is the fact that inter Milan, lost too many opportunities to have lost the champions league.
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